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Cadillac XLR and XLR-V



  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    As I recall, GM's original marketing pieces says Cadillac hoped to sell around 3 to 5k XLRs per anum. According to Autosite, at the end of May 05, XLR sales were at 1,889, up around 300 from last year and on pace for sales some where around 4,300 for 05. Or, just about where GM says it wanted them to be.

    An XLR using stabilitrak will work fairly well in snow. It would probably make sense to change the tires.

    I'm no sociologist, but somehow I think the lack of XLR owner posters here has more to do with the personality of the owners. Type A people just do not seem to spend a whole lot of time in chat rooms.

    When the buff mags start doing XLRv comparos, you should see posting here increase.
  • riceowlsriceowls Posts: 4
    I've been comparison shopping the XLR vs.other hardtop convertibles, the SC430 vs the Mercedes SL and SLK. Here's my take:

    The SL was nice, but not nearly nice enough given its premium over the other, so it was quickly elimiated from consideration. Too much $ for nout enough difference.

    The SLK was great and a nice package for a good price. However, several owner's forums had much discussion about engine problems. On top of that, it's a brand new model for 05 yet is already outdated (e.g. the Nav is not touchscreen, no Bluetooth, etc.). It was thus eliminated.

    The SC430 is, well, it's a Lexus. It's nice but nothing thrilling about it. Someone said the SC430 puts the XLR and other to shame, well that's just not true. The SC430 interior is well crafted and luxurious, but after sitting in the XLR, SL and SLK, the SC430 interior feels extremely dated. The XLR looks much "fresher" and modern. The SC430 does not have the same amount of zip as the XLR. The SC430 does not handle as well as the XLR. Head to head, the XLR is clearly a superior car, with the exception of reliability (the XLR is too new to tell about reliability while the SC430 benefits from Lexus typical superior reliability).

    We chose the XLR after shopping the entire bunch of hardtop luxury convertibles. It's got the best combination of looks, performance, and modern features.
  • did you guys choose?

    My favorite combination is black/black or silver/black.

    The black leather contrasts sharply with the anodized aluminum and light eucalyptus wood. It makes the car really nice.

    What price did you guys get, was it the employee discount?

    Congradulations on the car! :D
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,591
    Thanks for the write-up. Earlier I had said that the SC430 interior put the XLR interior to shame and, imo, I stand by that statement. Generally, GM doesn't do interiors well. The exterior of the XLR puts the SC430 exterior to shame, though. XLR is lean, clean and mean where the SC is a bit bloated with odd proportions and the world's worst alloy wheels (the pie plates).

    Anyway, yes, please share more details of your purchase if you don't mind. Purchase price, reliability so far, mpg. I'm interested in the real world ownership experience (vicariously for now, not in a position to own one...).

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • riceowlsriceowls Posts: 4
    laurasdad - I can certainly see why you like the SC430 interior (it's very nice and you can sense the quality), and you are absolutely right that GM typically doesn't do a good job on the interiors. However, if you haven't already, you should go sit in all three makes back to back to back (Mercedes, XLR and SC430). It's tough to desribe, but after testing all of them in the same day, the Lexus just looks and seems very 90's while the Mercedes and Cadillac look and feel 2005. Like I said, tough to describe without experiencing it.

    Just agreed to the deal so nothing in the driveway yet to provide extended driving experience feedback. Price was the advertised GM employee price, $69k and change. Crimson Red with shale interior. Window tint is being done prior to pickup, nothing too dark just a moderate level to keep it cooler.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,591
    Nice color, Crimson Red. Congrats.

    I actually have sat in all three (last Nov., New England Intl. Auto Show). Watched the XLR roof (and Saab convertible just a few yards away) go up and down a few times. Cool. Also, wife has a Lexus RX300, so I've been in the SC many times at the local Lexus shop. Gorgeous.

    Anyway, I just couldn't get over the feeling that the XLR interior was not suitable to a $76k car. Not as bad as the CTS interior which I find dreadful, but again, the SC outclasses it by a lot. I also found the STS sub-par with the SRX a little better. But again, GM (among other improvements) just needs to work on their interiors. And with Caddy, lower the prices (MSRP I mean as with inevitable rebates and the new "Employee" pricing, prices do always come down).

    Enjoy the XLR, let us know your ownership impressions.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    You got a good price.

    I hope you and your wife really enjoy the car.

    I am certain many of us here will appreciate photos and impressions if you have the chance.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    The XLR-V will go into production in early 2006.

    The XLR-V's 4.4 liter Supercharged Northstar V-8 was recently rated at 443 hp at 6,400 rpm and 414 lb-ft of torque at 3,900 rpm.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    The European-spec XLR-V will have 448 hp (DIN).
  • pay $100,000.00 for this CADILLAC. If I had the money yes.

    Would you?

    Please don't get on here dissing the XLR-V because you can't afford it.
  • The lexus sc430 is not a comparison with the xlr, i think more or less its with the sl500, sl55, and temporarily (until the new z9 comes out) the m6 and 6 series. Personally, i love the styling of the xlr and would buy it over the sl or bimmer neday. this caddy is also a value compared to its german counterparts but i have to admit the interior, albeit nicely laid out and stylish, is not of the caliber of its german rivals. i still would buy it anyways.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I agree the SC430 is not really much of a comparo to the XLR. The SC430 just doesn't have any sport to it. It is like driving a 2-door LS430. The SL and XLR are far sportier and with the new Jaguar XK8 coming in the spring the SC430 is toast imo.

    No Cadillac is worth 100K. They aren't built to that standard. That said I do admire their guts in overstepping Lexus' SC in price, but 100K, thats nuts for anything made by GM. I just wish the XLR didn't look like some type of fighter plane. It has no elegance or style, just flat and square looking to my eye, though the XLR-V looks better.

    The XLR-V can forget competing with the V10 BMW M6, the XLR-V probably won't even match the SL55 in performance either so it should cost less than either.

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,591
    Hmm. I rather like the XLR design, especially as it relates to the rest of the Caddy "Art & Science" (if they still call it that?) design theme. The CTS is ugly (a basically hadsome three box design in profile spoiled by extra layers, lines and forms and atrocious front end), but it's selling so good for Caddy. The STS is a larger, blunted CTS riff, to me dull and too upright looking. The SRX looks like a station wagon, nothing wrong with that.

    I find all their interiors lacking for the price of admission, which I believe is one of the reasons the SRX, XLR and STS aren't selling as well as hoped for (at least I've read they're not selling that well). Price is the other factor. The MSRP is way off base. Of course, that's why Detroit invented rebates, both known and unkonwn to the general consumer...

    Yes the SC430 pales in the "sport" arena, but Lexus has never marketed it under the guise of sport. Grand Tourer is its reason to be, with imho the most luxurious interior in both design, build and materials in the segment of Sport/Luxury convertibles. Probably the most reliable, too.

    Shore up the interior of the XLR, lower the msrp to the "Employee Pricing" (~$69,000k) to allow negotiating to SC430 pricing range and maybe they'll sell more? Not to mention the slew of hard-top convertables scheduled to be released in the next couple of years. That won't help the XLR (or the SC).

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    From the pictures at least, I don't find anything wrong with the XLR-V dash. It certainly looks better than that of the 6 series. The Mercedes SL is ok, but I find the Lexus SC430 to have too much wood, and that bright yellow doesn't look as good as, say maple or walnut would.

    I do agree the XLR-V is pretty overpriced. A Corvette Z06 is way faster and probably has better handling too, and it is only around 75K. The XLR-V should be between 85=90K.

    The new Jaguar XK and BMW M6 will give it some stiff competition, plus we already have Porsche 911.....
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I have tried over and over to like Cadillac's new design direction, but I couldn't. Cadillac were always pretty cars, no matter how badly they were built etc. Now they're built better but look terrible imo.

    That said I don't want to see Cadillac lower the price of the XLR to compete with the SC430. Neither car has anything in the way of style, but the Cadillac is the better driver's car of the two.

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The Mercedes SL is ok, but I find the Lexus SC430 to have too much wood, and that bright yellow doesn't look as good as, say maple or walnut would.

    Yeah its very tacky and contrived looking. They were trying too hard to create some type of ambience. They failed. Though the control layout in nearly flawless it just looks overwrought.

    The M6 isn't competiton for the XLR-V it will likely demolish the XLR-V. It really isn't a fair comparo imo. The BMW is much more focused and peformance biased with its V10 and SMG tranny.

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,591
    And that's why we are lucky to have so many auto choices in so many segments. Too each...

    Throw an SC430 Saddle or Black leather interior (darker wood) into an XLR, drop the price (a lot) and I'm interested! Although in a couple of years maybe I'll be looking to pick up an '05 or '06 for half the MSRP?!

    Re: Caddy styling, off the top of my head the only design that ever caught my eye in, say the last 20 years, was the (I think) '92 version of the Seville STS. Very muscular, angular aggressive look. I thought they softened the folloup generation too much, although nice interior. The current STS? Bland... The Allante was nicely styled, too but most other Caddy's were just rebadged GMs. I thought the last Eldo was ghastly. But, too each...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    And that's why we are lucky to have so many auto choices in so many segments. Too each...

    This is true, but I think we're closer that you think. The Allante was interesting for an 80's car I guess. Yeah the last Eldo had some huge hips. The best looking STS to me was that 1992-1997 or the 1998-2004 model, not sure which one I liked better.

  • vic10vic10 Posts: 188
    Could not agree with you more concerning the new Cadillac style, or lack of it. As I stated in the DTS comments page, I'm rather annoyed at GM. Now that I've finally reached the stage where I can justify and afford a Caddy, I don't like them.

    As for the XLR, I'm curious: Has any owner tried raising or lowering the roof after a rainstorm (when there's rain on the trunk)? All the other cars on the market with metal fold-away roofs have the trunk lid tipping back so an residual water would fall behind the car. The XLR, with it's tilt forward design, appears to dump the water in the trunk.
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