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Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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  • breldbreld Posts: 1,349
    Saw a brand new Civic today on the road, my only comment was "meh", still a bit on the bland side and if I had to purchase today, I'd skip the Honda store completely.

    Now Sandy, a couple months back you saw a new Civic and were "in awe" of it, stating that Honda was back on track with the new Accord and redesigned Civic. What happened? :D

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • breldbreld Posts: 1,349
    Yeah - the Altima sure seems to be a lot of car for the money, particularly with some really attractive lease deals right now.

    So Michael, you've posted this morning, but with no reveal? Oh, the suspense! :)

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Just checked on TrueCar, $27k for an SL+tech, and if you don't need leather an SV+tech+conv is $24k or so, and that's still pretty loaded up.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    I get why you're letting her choose (happy wife, happy life) but if it were me, I'd get the Altima instead. More car for less money, really. The 4 banger is both quick and efficient, and loaded up they were mid 20s.

    She doesn't want just a "car" (read: sedan). When I bought my Saturn L300 10 years ago she commented that it was a "grandpa car" -- and I was 39 at the time!

    Vehicles that have caught her interest lately:

    Fiat 500
    Subaru Crosstek XV
    Nissan Juke
    VW Beetle
    MINI Countryman

    I suspect she will continue to drive hatchbacks and SUVs, given her need for cargo capacity and ease of loading.

    While at the dealer last night, the girls found a pretty purple car (purple is my wife's favorite color). I told them it was a Rogue.

    Another constant is that whatever she drives needs to have a lot of "get up and go". I figure if I ever got her to a FIAT dealership and test drove a standard 500, her enthusiasm would wane after the first 500 feet.

    Even the daughter commented recently that if she had to do it all over again, she would get a Cooper S.
  • breldbreld Posts: 1,349
    So why not the CX-5? Certainly roomier than the Juke, with much better gas mileage than the CX-7, and you'd have that Mazda familiararity. And I tend to think that trade values are a bit better at the dealership which sells the product (may or may not be true).

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    So why not the CX-5? Certainly roomier than the Juke, with much better gas mileage than the CX-7, and you'd have that Mazda familiarity. And I tend to think that trade values are a bit better at the dealership which sells the product (may or may not be true).

    She's seen the CX-5. I suspect she would like it since she's familiar with the "Mazda Way" (ergonomics, zoom zoom personality). I know she liked the 3i GT we test drove last year, and it only had 155HP. Now that the -5 has the bigger 2.5L SkyActiv engine with 184HP, it might make the cut on her "get up and go" scale.

    I, too, would think the trade value of the -7 would be better at a Mazda dealership.

    But .....

    The exciting finale to our sales story!

    After leaving the dealership last night, I noticed a couple of other bells and whistles she would give up if we got the Juke - automatic wipers, blind spot monitoring, and the smart mirror that we can program the garage door remote to. This is in addition to the HID headlights and power memory seats the Juke lacks.

    After getting home, I had to fill up the Mazda. Turns out she got almost 22 MPG on this last tank ($53 to fill it with PUG at the local Shell station). A co-worker shared with her than her last monthly mileage reimbursement check was $112 (at $.0555/mile). If we fill the Mazda up once a week at $50-60 per tank, and get $100 or more in reimbursements, then we're spending only $100 or so each month on gas. The Juke gets 27 combined, so not really a big improvement. Plus, the smaller tank might require us to fill the car up more than once every 7 days.

    Couple that with the lack of creature comforts and the wife decided that the "fun factor" of driving the Juke wasn't worth starting over on payments with a new car, especially with the negative equity we have in the Mazda.

    In short - she liked the Juke, but didn't love it.

    We'll continue to monitor the situation for the next few months - keeping track of the mileage she gets, etc.

    I'm pretty sure that whatever we get next for her will have, at the very least, the same features she has now; hard to go backwards in terms of feature content (I'll be interested if fin feels the same way about his new Benz).

    I'll give "Marv" a call tomorrow with our decision.

    If there is any good news from this, it means that my next car won't be delayed. Given that I'm averaging about 20K per year on the ION (and it has 85K on it now), I'll be well into 6 figures on the clock by the time I'm ready for a new ride.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,362
    There are so many choices -- you are smart not to rush. At some point, after lots of looking and testing, the decision will be made. This is the fun time -- make it last.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    There are so many choices -- you are smart not to rush. At some point, after lots of looking and testing, the decision will be made. This is the fun time -- make it last.

    Getting my wife to the dealer is pretty difficult. Not sure that we'll do anything for now. She's gotta really like the car to even agree to see it in person.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,010
    My potential issue if I was ever to go "backwards" isn't really the features, but the ride and driving manner. I will still say there's something different about the way a middle or higher MB drives, especially at speed. I can live without the parking sensors and lane tracking stuff, I do like nav and an ok stereo, and I am kind of liking the keyless go. It's the solid ride and assembly that I would find hard to abandon. If for whatever reason my next car isn't as fancy, I might look into a semi-vintage MB (80s era) rather than a cheapo new car.
  • breldbreld Posts: 1,349
    Good decision. It sounds like it was a good experience for your wife to shop a bit and check the Juke out - allows you, and more importantly her, to be that much more comfortable with keeping what you have (which, dare I say, is generally the best option).

    And like you pointed out, makes the next purchase for you that much closer.

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,182
    "I'm pretty sure that whatever we get next for her will have, at the very least, the same features she has now; hard to go backwards in terms of feature content..."

    I agree, but different makes of cars often have different feature sets. E.g., Mazdas offer blind spot monitors but Nissans don't; Ford has those curved blind spot mirrors, etc. Compared to the 540i, my GLI lacks Homelink, a power passenger seat, adjustable thigh supports, real leather, power steering wheel tilt/telescope, automatic wipers, and automatic seatbelt height adjusters. On the other hand, it has keyless ignition, a nav system, Bluetooth, adjustable lumbar support, an MP3 player, a center console with storage, good cupholders, a sunglass storage area, etc.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    but different makes of cars often have different feature sets

    Very true, when I went to the LaCrosse from the Genesis I lost the power tilt/tele and rainsense wipers even though the LaCrosse has a higher equipment level overall with Nav, heads-up (not available on Genesis), and blind spot monitor.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    It sounds like it was a good experience for your wife to shop a bit and check the Juke out - allows you, and more importantly her, to be that much more comfortable with keeping what you have (which, dare I say, is generally the best option).

    Agreed. As much as I like the idea of a new car, I'm getting more prudent with my spending as I get older.

    It's not that she dislikes the Mazda, I think she wants something a bit smaller since most of her driving is in town. Parking and maneuverability are going to be more important - as well as better mileage.

    But, when she gave it a serious think last night, she really uses the blind spot monitoring and would miss it greatly. The auto wipers are nice due to the rain and snow we get here - one less thing to think about, along with the headlights. The memory seats are a feature that she's grown to love - there is about 8" of height difference between us and the convenience of having to hit only 1 button to reset the seat position is nice for her.

    As far as brand loyalty, I'm not sure there is any now. She owned a Datsun when she first learned to drive, then a series of Fords (Tempo, Escort, Expedition, Explorer, Focus), then the Saturns we've had most recently (L300, two VUEs and the ION). Toss in the '99 New Beetle and the current Mazda.

    Which brands does she like now? MINI and Volvo come to mind. She might still get a Countryman if and when the finances allow it.

    With all that said, I'm hoping she decides to stick with the Mazda - it improves my chances of getting a new ride sooner. New or used, I'm not sure. And, as my posts over the past year have indicated, I'm all over the map in terms of what I want.

    What I've test driven over the past year:

    Ford Mustang GT
    Chevrolet Camaro SS
    Chevrolet Sonic
    Volvo C30
    VW GTI
    VW CC
    BMW 3-series coupe
    BMW 1-series
    MINI Countryman
    MINI Cooper Convertible

    The hunt continues!
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    "Marv" just called here at the house and I gave him the bad news that we weren't going to be buying a Juke.

    Explained to him our reasons (not enough of an increase of MPG, lack of certain features that the Mazda currently has) and he was very gracious about it. Seems like someone who's been in the business for a while and understands that not every contact will result in a sale.

    If I was ever in the market for a Nissan (if I win the lottery, they have 2 GT-R's in the showroom), I'd be certain to reach out to him.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wow, a pony car and an econo-hatch, that's quite a spread.

    I once test drove a Durango and a Miata on the same day.

    What did we buy? A minivan, naturally. :D

    Heck, the wife wanted the Dodge conversion van.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Wow, a pony car and an econo-hatch, that's quite a spread.

    Not sure if I'm going to give in to my adolescent self and get the mid life crisis car or something that is fun but still a bit sporty in case I'm doing the pizza thing longer than I expect.

    Would be fun to pull up in front of a customer's house, drop off their order, and do a burnout when I leave!

    But, the money I spend on gas would leave me in the red from the tips I earn.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    edited March 2013
    If for whatever reason my next car isn't as fancy, I might look into a semi-vintage MB (80s era) rather than a cheapo new car.

    I agree with you. I find that if you need a car just for commuting, then a base Toyota or Hyundai feels no different than a 10 year old Toyota or Hyundai for 1/5 of the price.

    Therefore it would be hard for me to spend $20k on some base new econobox when I can spend $4k and get the motoring equivalent, just a tad older.

    EDIT: Unless it's a dirt cheap lease. I meant to say I can't see plopping down $20k cash for a basic car just because it's new.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    If you add 10% to that 20k, you can get a Fiesta ST with 197HP and a 6-speed. I wouldn't call that a base econobox.

    Heck, for under 20 grand you can get a base Juke with 188 HP and a stick.

    But I see your point. I'm conflicted about new vs used for my next car.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,182
    I'm pretty sure the Park Avenue used to offer Rainsense wipers. I'm surprised that Buicks no longer have them.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,182
    Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear reviewed the Focus ST in the current season and thought it relied too heavily on the various electronic nannies to keep the car pointed straight ahead--the implication was that without them, it would be totally undrivable.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    They did, I was pretty shocked to see it wasn't available. I guess only Caddy gets them now.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,072
    I'm not conflicted. Just poor. So I know if I get another car for me in the next 5 years, it will be used!

    actually, the next car is likely to be a 2000 Acura TL. Hopefully real soon, since that means my about to graduate son got a job, and is moving on to a new(er) car and I get the TL back.

    and in 1.5 years, I will get my Volvo back, when my daughter leaves for college and the car stays behind. Then I only have to fight her for it over breaks when she is home!

    though until I start driving more (I have about 250 miles on my Integra in almost 3 months) it really won't be an issue!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    edited March 2013
    If you add 10% to that 20k, you can get a Fiesta ST with 197HP and a 6-speed. I wouldn't call that a base econobox.

    But for about half the price you can get (if you can find one) a nice Acura Integra Type R with same power, less weight, and a quasi-collector status, meaning it probably won't depreciate any more than it has already.

    :shades:

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    I saw that episode of Top Gear as well. The Fiesta is supposed to not have all that nannery.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,782
    I'm conflicted about new vs used for my next car as well. Buy out the lease on my 328xi that I love? Try to find a 2011 335xi for a similar price of my 50K mile 2011 328xi? Buy a used or CPO 328xi with lower mileage? Buy a new Civic EXL? Buy a new Mazda 3i Grand Touring? Lease a new C-Class if they have some killer deals + conquest cash?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,010
    If I can find a new lease when the current one is up, that matches the deal I have now, I will probably do it again. But if I can't justify the expense, I have enough left over from the old car to buy a mint W123 or W126 and drive it for many years. I will admit I like having a new car though, the tech is cool, everything is clean and mint, etc. Basic new cars will be a very tough sell for me - I'd rather plop down 7500 on a beautiful 30 year old MB than spend 15K on a basic Kia.
  • My BIL/SIL have a 2011 Juke. It certainly has character - not particularly comfortable to ride in as a passenger IMHO. The other thing, is that the darn thing rattles all over - it rattles like the doors and hatch are going to fall off. I thought maybe it was limited to their car, but a co-worker has one that I rode in the other day it rattles like crazy, too.

    A deal-breaker for me on any car is rattling. It drives me insane.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,704
    I saw the new Sentra and re-discovered how really nice the Elantra is at work where I drove about 20 of them already...very impressive vehicle. I also got to see the new Civic up close last Friday while at the auto mall and it was a big let down. I really like the Sentra so much better. I will say the new Accord is a real looker and they did a great job with that car over the last generation. I guess the new Civic, both the 2012 and 2013, isn't much of an improvement over my '06 model and the only 2 things I wish it had were the chrome bar on the trunk, above the license plate that the 2010 and 2011 have and an aux adapter in the dash for use with my iPod. Stupidly the '06 model doesn't have this feature and there's no way to add one without swapping out the stock radio...very stupid Honda. That and the fact that there is no USB port anywhere in the car.
    The competition has gotten so much better, even the Ford Focus, that the Civic really is a bit primitive. And since I do drive so many different new models, it's only natural that I'd change my mind about the Civic and my real dislike of the car. The new Forte is gonna be a big game changer also and Toyota knows that it must hit a grand slam with the re-designed Corolla.
    I'll give y'all a teaser about my rides for today. I had the maximum pleasure out of a brand new vehicle today which only had 4 miles on the clock. And on the 2nd run, I finally got to drive a 2012 Fusion. But that's for another post!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,387
    Stupidly the '06 model doesn't have this feature and there's no way to add one without swapping out the stock radio...very stupid Honda.

    To be fair, a LOT of 2006 cars did not have an aux-in ports.

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Sandman,

    I do believe you can add an AUX port/Ipod interface to your car. I did a quick check on Crutchfield.com and put in 2006 Honda Civic (I guessed at LX) and this came up USA Spec Ipod for Honda

    I had one of these in my 2006 Avalon, worked flawlessly.

    Any questions ask away.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

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