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Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,467
    Have you thought about a slightly used Mustang with the "track pack?" Those have got to be in your $24K wheelhouse or at least they will be after Memorial Day;)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Posts: 585
    I may know someone interested in selling a 2011 Mustang GT Premium 6spd with Brembo Package in the Philadelphia area...

    :-)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,467
    I know your Dad is trying to ditch his GT Mustang, but if I know q, he's going to want a 5.0

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    2011 should be the 5.0, no?

    And, yes, I considered it. Freehold BMW has one, conveniently enough. But, I just can't get over the stigma that its a Mustang. Not that I necessarily have anything against it... but I'd have a hard time coughing up over $20k for one. And I know my wife would be against it.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Posts: 585
    edited May 2013
    It is indeed a 5.0. Black over saddle leather interior.

    I hear you though - it has a very specific market. I may be stereotyping, but that market is not you, Q. Not to mention, the backseat is worthless.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,467
    I stand corrected. 2011 was the 1st year of the 5.0, with 412 hp? Then didn't they do something in 2012 to give it 420 hp?

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    nice color combo.

    I really do drool a bit over the new ones ... but I'm more of a buyer at like $15k for a pony car. I mean, when you are talking real close numbers for a Mustang 5.0 vs an XF 5.0... its not much of a choice as far as I'm concerned.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    Just cruising the sites and came upon this short-term GTI lease. Pretty darn good deal for someone.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    That GTI lease takeover looks pretty good. Too bad it would take me a month-and-a-halfs worth of miles just to drive it back to Colorado.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Posts: 585
    I had a 2012 S60 R-Design as a loaner yesterday while the C30 was getting its routine maintenance. Black on black, platinum. I want, but not at north of $50k...
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "That GTI lease takeover looks pretty good. Too bad it would take me a month-and-a-halfs worth of miles just to drive it back to Colorado. "

    You could have it shipped back there, assuming the lease allows one to assume it in Colorado...
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    Nothing to report for me, but a good old friend's parents are out shopping for a car. Not too chronic as they haven't bought anything since a new Camry 11 years ago. His dad wanted a wagon (insistent on not having a SUV) - they have narrowed it down between an Outback and a Forester, both of which can be SUVs according to marketers.

    Talked with a neighbor in the parking garage today, the guy has an 03 Corolla that was just in the shop for 8 weeks (seriously) for a recall issue. They issued him a Camry hybrid loaner - and now he wants a new car. Corolla is original owner, 80K miles, 5-speed, very good condition. I told him to sell it privately, people will be lining up for that thing.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited May 2013
    I told him to sell it privately, people will be lining up for that thing.

    Perhaps...but it'll be those who don't know what a disaster the 5 sp stick can be. At 80k it is about to reveal itself for its weaknesses. It shares the same transmission as the Matrix I believe. Bad standard tranny. One of the rare cases where they'd be better off pursuing the auto. If you know them, save them by giving them a heads up.
  • oldbearcatoldbearcat Posts: 170
    Good Advice - my nephew got bit by that snake twice. The original 5 speed in his Matrix made it just out of warranty and grenaded itself. The replacement tranny started acting up at 80K, and, he traded the car off while it would still move.

    Regards:
    Oldbearcat
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    Oh, I had no idea. Maybe I should encourage him to punch his card and buy that Camry he seems to be eyeing. I could tell he was impressed by the new car - but in talking to him, he has the same tough position to move on from that I dealt with = no car payment and an old car that is still working fine.

    He seems to be a smooth and precise driver from what I have seen of his parking skills - maybe he's been able to dodge the bullet.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,294
    I really like the S60, but that is the base "strippo" model they advertise the teaser lease on. You know me. No roof, no sale!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,294
    though probably not serious. we finally saw me BILs new Cobra this weekend, and he took us each for a ride (sadly, due to insurance limitations, I could not drive it :cry: )

    I figured my wife would hate it, but when she got back, she said it was fun and we should get one. of course, it can't function as an actual car to use. And I don't have that kind of toy budget!

    I have some pictures, and once my wife gets them off her iphone and stashed on the picture site, I will post them.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,294
    anyway, it is a few year old Superformance Cobra 427. Dark silver/gray with black stripes. It looks really, really cool. He got it with about 550 miles on it, now up near 700.

    Powered by a Roush FI 427 backed by a 5 speed tremec. 550 HP moving 2,500#s. It gets out if its own way. Also has unshielded side pipes.

    old school. Single (drivers) roll hoop. low back seats, racing lap belts (no shoulder ones). So not exactly up to modern passive safety standards! Plus you have to do gymnastics to get in or out when it has been running, or you will incinerate your leg.

    Oh, it sounds like a race car (since, well, it pretty much is) and smells like the 60s. And is really, really loud.

    they live out in farm country, so we were bopping along some narrow, windy country roads. sometimes at 80. At one point on a straight he leaned on it a bit and ran it past 90, and it gets there really really quick. He said that if you aren't careful, you can break the rear tires loose in 3rd gear. and if you floor it in 2nd it squats and absolutely blasts forward, while sounding like the soundtrack to a racing movie.

    Exciting and terrifying at the same time. And completely impractical. you really can't do anything but Sunday drives, and you better live out in the country!

    Not sure what he paid, but he said new that roller package was about 45K (this is all brand new, totally custom. No cannibalized Mustang II here!). And he had the paper for the guy (some well known former racer) in SC that put the motor in. The 427 alone was 27K. 3K for the trans, a couple grand for upgrades (billet stuff) and $8,200 to assemble. So some rich CEO (they googled him) in Maine paid 80K+ on this most likely, and put 500 miles on it before selling to a dealer for some (likely) huge loss.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,294
    Oh, while I don't see a summer toy in my immediate future, I think my original plan of getting a semi-toy (small convertible, 2 seater fine) as "my" car would be well received. Now just need the money for it!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    stick, is your BIL in Jersey? This would be one heck of a coincidence, but I know someone, old friend of the family and former bandmate of my brother's, who recently bought a Cobra.

    I'm looking at the pics now on facebook and, man, its close to what you are saying. Single driver's hoop. Silver with black stripes (although not typical stripes on his; they are small and just over a corner of the fender). The one detail that doesn't match yours is that this has 5-point harnesses. So I guess just 2 different guys in Jersey who recently bought silver Cobras?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    I didn't know about this issue. can you tell me more about it? I'd like to make sure I avoid it. I assume that would apply to the Vibe, too?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,294
    No, he lives in upstate NY (Oldfarmer territory). And he is really into it, getting involved with the online clubs, and planning to go to a local area show in June.

    Definitely a toy, and not for the faint of heart!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    You can check out the Matrix forum...can't think of the name off hand but an easy search...bad standard trans in Matrix. Yes the Vibe has the identical issue as the Matrix. The Matrix and Vibe use the identical 1.8 litre Corolla engine. Only exgaust routing and slight size differences except on the AWD M and Vibe which has additional rear routing and constrictions to get around the IRS which the Corolla and FWD Matrix/V doesn't use.

    You will find Corolla owners with same issue, but not in as great a number, I think mainly because the vast majority of Corolla's sold are autos. I can't imagine the trans being dif in the Corolla and the Matrix. Also be careful if you find ones that have the 6 speed stick. Those ones have a known weak clutch. That's the HO 1.8 and 6 speed.

    FWIW, driving gently won't save you from this tran's woes. There is a bearing situated in a too dry area (oil wise). And Toyota completely dropped the ball on these victims, often not helping (not as much as Honda would have for example) and some even had to pay full pop ($4200.) and even had their SECOND trans fail too..as per Oldbearcat's post. Many other victims. Apparently (I haven't been able to confirm) Toyota FINALLY made a change after about 5 freakin' years, but not a lot of reporting of newer cars to know for sure if the tran is dif or not as the 03 and on ones. What really kills me, is I have heard of Toyota charging full pop for a replacement trans in like an 03 to 05 etc. even in year 2009 which failed prematurely AGAIN! Why would they not give these people the newer style trans? Especially the ones who were left no choice but to pay over 4 grand on a car that is not worth it, yet too good to scrap...Some of these poor people still owed the original financing on cars that were just out of wty. Shame on Toyota. And I say that as I used to be a fan. Our immediate family has 6 Toyotas, and all repurchases since about 03. Two are Corollas but always were autos.
    Toyota has gotten way too big for their britches, IMO. They're overdue for a serious fall..

    So is Hyundai..if you have been following other forums lately...but that's another story..
  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 163
    I had a 2005 Vibe with 5 speed. I put 80K miles on it and sold it to my BIL who commuted from eastern LI to Brooklyn and he had it until 170K miles on it when he gave it to his SIL. No tranny issues on that one, and it wasn't babied! :)

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2010 GMC Sierra SLE, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    Interesting. Ok. So we're talking the throwout bearing, I believe, which is also pointed out in the msn reliability rating on these. They only show a couple of years with the problem, however. I wonder how accurate that is.

    I spotted this one and thought it a good deal.

    I hadn't heard about the 6-speed clutch, either. I had heard a long time ago that they had many claims on the trans itself because, as one person told me, the gates were so close that folks were jamming the selector into the wrong gear.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited May 2013
    No, it is not the throwout bearing according to a diagram I saw once which I can't put my hands on...almost have a feeling it is buried in that Matrix thread. I have derived my info from that thread and talking with some owners who I see randomly and ask them.

    When I looked at the diagram, and saw where the bearing is, it appears to be tucked up in a nestle sorta. When I read about stats such as the post above, not having any trouble (yet), it reminds me of cases when any component that uses a sump of oil whose distribution design is by having a specific level of the gear(s) being submerged in the oil and circulates the gear box or engine (in the case of an old side valve Briggs & Stratton lawnmower, the bottom of the rod were it attaches to the crank actually hits the oil and lubes by splashing) by spinning in the oil and throwing it. Sounds simple enough, but problems can arise if either too much or too little oil is used. Yes, even too much oil can change how a gear is suppose to grab it and throw it due to potential captivation patterns, and centrifugal effects.

    Anyway, I guess this is one of those cases where it would be good if we could private message, cuz there's bound to be some CCB's eyes glazing over with a distinctive yawning undertone..lol

    edit - pattih, "Matrix Transmission Problems" #21, 20 Apr 2007 10:57 am

    post 29 but lots info prior to that too.

    It appears that 03 was the worst MY for failures, and some says Toy changed it in 04. But, if you read enough posts, a pattern starts to reveal that it would seem it was not address till much much later.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,215
    That's ok. I'll probably just avoid them in that case.

    anyhoo... back to being a CCB'er... I replaced that sensor in the bimmer and the limp mode went away. Drove it around a while and I noticed a new unpleasant sound in a particular RPM range. Upon further poking around while I had someone hold it in that range, it seems to be coming from deep down in the engine bay. Then, while driving that night, limp mode popped up again. This time without any sputtering or stalling, and it was gone when I restarted the car, and no codes were stored when I got home and hooked up the laptop.

    So I think its safe to say I've had it. I'm going to return the car to fully stock form and sell or trade it. And that's where I'm currently in a quandry. I have NO IDEA what I'm going to do next. Trading it would be so much easier, but I'm not sure I want to buy anything else right now. So I'm considering attempting to sell it privately and just hold off on another purchase. The volvo and leaf will certainly serve well enough for my transportation needs. I also have the Benz sitting there, which I did some work on this weekend, and could use that if I am so inclined.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    Hmm, wonder what I could get to make it a three of a kind - maybe a nice white bike:

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,587
    I remember my dad had a 68 Fairlane with a 289/3 speed that had a throwout bearing issue - made it hard to shift and get going, especially from a stop, if that makes sense. The car was bought out of an estate with low miles and otherwise nice condition. Eventually he tired of it, had moved, and had me sell it for him. I asked little for the car, and explained it had the issue. I remember the first guy who looked was actually mad that I would ask money for a car with the issue, and that I had wasted his time :confuse: Second shopper bought the car.

    That car was no fun to drive - 3 on the tree, manual steering, manual brakes, no options other than radio.
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