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  • I agree entirely. They are both great cars and I will be the first to admit that, but I refuse to believe that any cars in the most competitive segment are selling for anything more than MSRP. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,720
    Bury the Headline?
    What color, engine, etc?
    - Ray
    1 more 'punch'...
    2015 Charger R/T - yup, it's got a Hemi...
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 46,513
    edited September 2013
    Congrats on the new F-150. My brother got one last year (his second in ~8 years) and really likes it.

    I don't think CR-Vs have ever offered a six cylinder.

    Riley3, "barn finds" are currently worth more with everything original, right down to the dust and rust patina.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 21,435
    Cool but sunny yesterday here I'm Colorado. Wife is teaching class in Denver and I'm helping with set up etc. So I've got free time to kill.

    Started at the Lexus palace, er, dealership. They moved into a new facility about 4 months ago. What a place! Three stories with a full complimentary coffee bar, theater room with reclining seats, billiard table and outdoor patio seating. Exposed rock and dark wood dominates the interior decor.

    Anyway, went to look at the CT200h. Yes, the Prius in a tuxedo. Lease special of $299/mo with $1899 to start. 27 months, 10k per year. Decent deal I suppose. Nice car inside and drove pretty well. More torque than I would have thought.

    After lunch I took the Mazda to get it washed. While there, I saw what had to be half of the registered Acura ZDXs in the state. Both of them. Both black on black.

    After the CX-7 was made nice and shiny, I went to the MB dealer to take a look at the CLA. Geez Louise, there were more people surrounding that car than there are paparazzi following the kardashians. looked inside but didn't sit in it. The two they had on the lot stickered for $36-37K.


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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    "Now the right side shines further out then the left. The lights seem to swivel much further to the right than the left."

    I think this may be normal (to avoid blinding oncoming drivers), even on halogen headlights, but it's more noticeable with xenons. Everyone who rides in my car at night comments on how good the headlights are.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    Congrats on the CC, I've never driven one but it's a very classy looking car with a great interior. It sounds like you got a screaming deal on yours, to boot.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    I turned off the climate control leaving Georgia this morning and tilted my moonroof up, then later in the day, when it started raining, slid the shade back to make it less dark and depressing inside the car.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    "Oh, BTW, I bought another car, a Lincoln Mark VIII."

    Congratulations, those are beautiful cars! Do you care to provide the year and mileage for our punch list?
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    "At the end of the day, I went back to the Ford dealer and purchased the new F150 Crewcab."

    Seriously? You guys are wearing me out! After this one, I think we're at 23 for the year.

    Congratulations on the new F-150. Is it a 2013 or 2014?
  • "... Provide the year and milage..."

    1995 Lincoln Mark VIII 67,000 miles. Has everything I want: no rust (Florida car), low miles and best of all cheap.

    2015 Mustang GT, 2009 PT Cruiser, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 9,011
    It wasn't like that when I picked up the car. Both lights shined straight with the typical sharp xenon cut off. When turning left, the lights would swivel (about) 15 degrees to the left. When turning right, the lights would swivel (about) 15 degrees to the right. Now when turning left, the lights swivel only 5 degrees to the left & when turning right, the lights swivel 25 degrees to the right.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    I don't think mine on the GLI swivel that much. It's very subtle. The cornering lamps which illuminate below 25 MPH are much more noticeable (but aren't aimed high enough to blind oncoming traffic). Nonetheless, an oncoming car blew their horn at me the other day because the cornering lamp came on and I guess they thought I had turned on my brights.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 36,003
    What colors? I kind of like those things, too.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 9,011
    WOW! I thought I had a wide range of vehicles I was looking at. A CRV, Tiguan, Passat TDI, & you ended up with an F150? Bravo! Mazel-Tov & congratulations on your CCBA punch!

    I know it is "much more than just a CRV with a V6," but if you were impressed with the CRV then why not check out an Acura RDX? Same platform, V6 engine, much more luxurious interior...

    I'm glad you gave the CRV a good write up. I've been getting slammed on here for even considering it:)

    The thing that struck me about your Tiguan review is that you said even though it is considerably faster than the CRV, you'd take the CRV.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • I brought home the new CC tonight! Very very happy - the deal was painless and the car is absolutely wonderful. All things that everyone has already said but it is extremely good looking, great interior, and fun to drive.

    As far as the deal itself, I noticed last week that VW had $5000 in lease cash for this month on 2013 CCs. I ran some numbers, looked to see what deals were occurring out in the field and put together an offer to present to several dealers after looking at their inventory to make sure they had something I wanted. The offer came out to approximately $2700 below invoice less the $5000 dealer cash - ~$9000 off MSRP. Although it seems crazy low, I had seen similar numbers floating around various sources including Edmunds. I left approximately $1000 to add back into the sale price that would accommodate the acquisition fee, licensing, and doc fee. The interest rate was .02% and the residual is 48% -- great interest rate but a horrible residual. Even with the horrible residual, the deal as I had structured it with only first month due at signing was $255/month for 36 months. This deal is reminiscent of when Volvo was offering insane amounts of lease cash for leases through third party banks like US Bank - this was back around 2007 or so.

    I sent the offer to 3 local VW dealers and the first one that replied accepted the offer. Once I received paperwork confirming the stock and the deal, I gave them a deposit over the phone. In the mean time, I contacted the buyer for my C30 and lined up to sell the car to him. Fast forward to today, I drove down to Tacoma to meet the buyer who bought the C30 (he drove up from Portland) -- he paid with a Cashiers Check (which I verified with the branch that issued the check). From there, we jumped on I-5 and headed back up to the Seattle area to the VW dealer and finished the deal on my CC.

    A very eventful day, but very very happy with how everything went!
  • ohenryxohenryx Posts: 285
    edited September 2013
    Well, I’m sorry to report that my new car experience has already been destroyed, at least partially. I had read of problems with Ford’s sync system, but I had also read that most of those problems had been fixed with software upgrades. Little did I know…

    I went out to the drive way this morning, to try out some of the fancy new stuff on my new F150. As a part of that process, I programmed the entry code for the keypad on the door, and set my favorite stations on the XM radio. All good so far. Then I tried to insert a flash drive full of mp3’s. Very bad things ensued. First I received an error message accusing me of stealing copyrighted material. After that, the stereo refused to recognize the flash drive. I tried 4 different flash drives, same result, no music. The only thing I ever got was the initial error message accusing me of copyright theft.

    Not one to be deterred easily, I went online and started searching. Go to google, enter

    Ford sync does not recognize flash drive

    Try it for yourself, there are a LOT of hits. Seems a lot of people have encountered exactly this problem, going all the way back to 2009. You would think Ford would have fixed the problem by now, but no. I found a discussion where someone fixed the problem (at least temporarily) by pulling the fuse for the stereo. Not being sure what fuse exactly, I just pulled the battery cable and left it off for a few minutes. Guess what? The stereo recognized the flash drive, and played music. Until I changed flash drives, at which point I had to repeat pulling the battery cable.

    And this whole sync system really appears to blow, bad. If you ask for help, you get a long winded voice help system. Part of which says, “Say ‘next folder’ to move to the next folder.” Sounds simple, right? But when you say “next folder”, it answers back, “Not in folder mode”. Try searching for that, you’ll get a lot of hits, going all the way back to 2008. You would think they would have fixed that problem by now, wouldn’t you? Wait, I already said that, didn’t I? You’ll have to forgive me, I’m a little frustrated right now.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    Congrats, again! What color did you get?

    The 48% residual seems low, it may be worth buying at the end of the lease. If you keep it that long. :P
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,496
    edited September 2013
    Sync uses Microsoft software, doesn't it? It sounds like the Windows Vista of car operating systems. If you've ever watched any of Alex Dykes' video reviews on The Truth About Cars, he compares pretty much every infotainment system to Ford's (paraphrasing: "it's awful, but doesn't crash as much as MyFordTouch and is much more responsive," or "all it does is show a photo of Fidel Castro, but it's still better than Sync.").

    I've noticed that Bluetooth smartphone integration with my (new) Android on the VW is not nearly as good as it was with my old iPhone 4. Apparently, a lot of manufacturers design for the iPhone and do a half-baked job with the other devices that are on the market.

    That said, from what I've read, the driving experience of the F-150 is excellent.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 46,513
    edited September 2013
    Best check with the dealer and make sure you have the latest update. Sounds like the most recent was a few weeks ago. (link)

    Worse comes to worse, you can trade (and help my prediction come true, lol).

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  • I ended up with Midnight Blue Metallic - I'll take a picture when I get some clear weather to do it and post it.

    The residual is CRAZY low - it was cheaper to lease today and buy at the end in 3 years than to 1) Buy the same car new today or 2) buy a 2-3 year used CC.

    Thanks again for the well wishes! I am thrilled - it is built and feels like an absolute tank but the 2.0T with DSG is a real hoot to drive. No rattles, either, which for me is the kiss of death.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 7,967
    I've noticed that Bluetooth smartphone integration with my (new) Android on the VW is not nearly as good as it was with my old iPhone 4. Apparently, a lot of manufacturers design for the iPhone and do a half-baked job with the other devices that are on the market.

    I have a friend who is an editor at one of the PC magazines as well as an automotive journalist, and he uses an iPhone because that phone is always the primary smartphone integration priority, while the other phones get short shrift...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2009 328i Son's: 2004 X3 2.5i

  • ohenryxohenryx Posts: 285
    The thing that struck me about your Tiguan review is that you said even though it is considerably faster than the CRV, you'd take the CRV.

    My attitude towards such things has changed considerably as I get older. When I was young, I drove fast cars, and speed was the most important issue. I remember throwing away perfectly good AC compressors because they got in my way when I was working on the engine, trying to make it go faster. (Change cams, intake manifolds, etc).

    I have learned the hard way that if I am not comfortable, I will not be happy with the car / truck long term. There are a lot of factors that go into my personal “comfort index”. If I have to fold up like a pretzel to get my head to fit through the door opening, that is a big negative. If I have to lean the car seat back at a precipitous angle to fit my head under the roof / sunroof, that is a big negative. If my line of vision is straight into the sun visor, rather than the windshield, another negative. If there is a console, and it makes me feel “hemmed in”, that is a negative. If the console forces me to keep my right leg in a fully upright position, that is a deal breaker. If the seats are made to fit someone with a butt about one-quarter the size of mine, and I feel “pinched” in the hind quarters when sitting in the seat, another deal breaker.

    With all of that said, the Tiguan wasn’t half bad, I have been in much worse. If I won one in a lottery, I would probably keep it rather than sell it. But spending my hard earned money, I would be MUCH happier with the CRV. I have to agree with the magazine reviewers on this one, the CRV feels peppy at lower speeds, running around town. It’s when you get out on the highway and need to accelerate from 60 to 80 for a passing maneuver, very lacking. This would not make a good highway car, but would be a great “run around town” car.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,691
    well, of course when you get $9k off MSRP, the residual is going to suffer. I mean, you get, what? 25% off up front? So at 48% residual, that's only 27% depreciation. That's cheap.

    '14 CTS Vsport; '98 Volvo S70 base; '14 Town&Country Limited. 40-car history and counting!

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 3,222
    Still haven't dismissed the idea of doing this for my '06 Civic as I'd like to have the usb/aux connectivity as well as bluetooth for my android smartphone integration. Just hit the 45k mark this morning on the vehicle and after having gone through the car wash last night, it looks real good all cleaned up in the garage which got me thinking again about doing the audio swap. I am ready for a new ride, I gotta be honest here and after seeing the new Forte and Elantra GT on the highway yesterday only got me wanting a new ride but it really is a dumb idea. Better to wait till I get to 100k or so and then make a switch. This will put me out till 2017 I suspect and I definitely will have more funds put away to purchase something I really want. So I figure I'd treat myself next month for my birthday after I pay for my eye surgery. Time will tell though but I'd sure enjoy some new audio equipment right about now!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • I know. If I didn't have the paperwork and car sitting in my garage, I would not believe it.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 3,222
    Just looked at a CC online and it really is a sweet do I want one also or anything new right about now! Maybe if I get that new stereo installed, I can get the new car itch to go away for awhile as now is really not the right time to be doing anything with $20k or needs to stay put where it is just as the Civic needs to stay on my side of the garage!

    The Logical Sandman

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • You'll get there Sandman - you are making the prudent choice for your needs right now. I had the itch and tried to do this as intelligently as possible, but the reality is the Volvo could have stayed another year before we HAD to get rid of it for something more practical.
  • jpp5862jpp5862 Wilmington, NCPosts: 626
    This is the one thing that keeps me from purchasing a CC.
  • jpp5862jpp5862 Wilmington, NCPosts: 626
    A friend of mine traded in his 2006 Civic EX (190,000 trouble free miles on it) for a new 2013 CR-V EX-L w/ nav. I drove it when I visited last year, I was pleasantly surprised by the power, but coming from your BMW it would be a huge shock for you. :)

    His only complaint is a rattle that they can't diagnose. He drives all the time for work, so after 18 months he has over 50,000 miles on it but no issues besides the rattle. Although he'll readily admit he wishes he had spent the extra money for an RDX (the new model that stickguy has).
  • jpp5862jpp5862 Wilmington, NCPosts: 626
    Congrats! I'm looking forward to hearing about your experience with the CC.
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