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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,825

    That model is a turbo, so it shouldn't be too slow - but it will be relatively noisy, might be smoky, and after 30 years, definitely has a few quirks. It wouldn't be a smooth transition for the driver of a modern car.

    @corvette said: I agree Q's is better, but people go crazy over those old diesels, even though their acceleration is dangerously slow by today's standards and they lack many modern safety features.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    @nyccarguy said: stickguy‌

    How long are you going to make me wait?

    calm your jets. took the wife for ice cream (us empty nesters can do whatever we want!) and put garbage at curb, then walked the dog. But I am back.

    so, among the stops today was the Sube dealer. as noted earlier, my SIL is actively shopping for a Forrester. Plus, I was looking for me. so made sense. Had a jasmine green limited Forrester on the floor. her color, but wants a premium.

    anyway, met a nice sales dude. very friendly. On the floor next to the Forrester was an imprezza and Legacy. wife sat in them all, and as expected (and repeated elsewhere) just found the Legacy size to be better. the compacts were just a little bit tight.

    when we arrived and parked, we were next to a nice carbide gray legacy. so the salesguy brought that up to try. So we hop in, and take a spin. This was a premium with the moonroof package. MSRP ~$26.5K Very well equipped really. just missing the fancy eyesight and other nanny stuff. New interior a big improvement. and I like the styling. Very roomy with a huge back seat, and quite comfortable seats.

    so off we good. Drives nice. quiet, smooth and even quick. trans was unobtrusive. excellent visibility all around. Just a nice, nice package. impressive MPG ratings for an AWS too. Should be a winner.

    yes, more expensive than an imprezza, but vastly more car IMO.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    OK, other stops (not in order, but hey, it is my story!). Ford. Sat in a 2012 Fusion and a 2014. the 12 just seemed old. Probably because it was. could not see myself in one. the 14 was my more stylish, but overall, just didn't speak to us. Not having a back up camera, especially with very limited visibility, was a problem. Plus not quite sure I want to deal with the ecoboost for the kid. Plus, my wife for some reason has a thing about Fords. So that is out.

    also stopped at Mazda. sat in a CX5, 3 and 6. Again, she thought the 3 was a bit small. Did like the 6, but they tend to get a bit pricey. Did not drive, but not sure they are going to win. The CX5 is my daughters wish, but I think I will stick with a sedan of some sort. Mazda is also going to be a big of a budget stretch, unless stick with a 3 and don't load it up too much.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    one thing that is still on my mind is conceding that to get new, I might have to give up a moonroof. Hard for me! so used is still a concept. and, still debating used vs. new.

    so, last stop (which came first). Toyota. Never did get to stop last week while up in NY, so did it at home. Looked at a Camry on the floor (bright red, odd). Was actually nice inside. also sat in a Corolla, and again seemed too small. So met another nice sales guy (seems to be a theme). walked out on the lot to look at selection. Decided to drive an LE with alloys and power seat (their volume model it seems). No roof, but MSRP just under 25K.

    so, off we go. Surprisingly, I liked the way it drove. moved out quick and even steered well. as expected, good ride over the crappy roads we were on. Roomy, and comfy seats. Nice dash, and the touch screen radio was quite well done. We saw it in a dark metallic gray (cosmic) that was quite striking. I think this is a car that looks much better in a dark color. also saw an XLE that had a moonroof and assorted other goodies in that color that was nice. Decided the SE was not as desirable, because to get a roof it came with 18" 45 series tires which seems silly.

    went inside and salesdude mentions they are really aggressive on price, and there is a boatload ($2,000) of lease cash too. Or 0% financing for 60 mos. Tough call!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    so to wrap this up, after discussing with the wife, decided that for our needs (likely me to drive for the next year, and ultimately consider giving to my daughter to take to college), a mid size sedan would work best. And of the ones, considering all the factors, she actually liked the Camry the best (darned nice stereo interface!), and I was actually be fine with that. Cost no object, and purely for me, I might go Legacy instead.

    key to this of course is the huge discounts. and budget. So, I called the salesman back to ask for a buy and lease quote on an LE and a base XLE (about a 2K difference in sticker). After talking about how to proceed, I think I may go with a lease here, if the monthly nut is too good to pass up. That way I can sell the rest of the fleet, and put all the money into paying off the RDX, and going forward with 2 newer cars and no more dealing with issues.

    timing not perfect (4 years of college, 3 years of lease) but also possible that princess will get something different when time comes. Or I will. or something. Who knows? But, if I get an offer tomorrow that sounds good, I may shock the hell out of myself by getting a Camry! The XLE idea was a compromise on a lease, to get something with the moonroof and XM, etc. And get new. And if I like it, can always buy it out at the end!

    still not a done deal. There is always the option to sell the Volvo, and just keep the old TL. But what fun is that?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,579
    edited September 2

    Camry?

    You do realize that you'll go broke drinking coffee and/or Red Bull in order to keep awake behind the wheel, right?

    I'd stretch like like I was on a rack during the Spanish Inquisition to get a Mazda6 over a Camry.

    But that's just me...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    so RB, how do you really feel?

    It surprised me though being nicer than I expected. Plus it will likely serve as the car for my kid to drive back and forth to NC, and use around campus while there. Good for that duty. me? I either drive it up and down the highway, or putt around town. Not like I am taking the TL out to autocross!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059

    Anybody want a 1979 Cadillac Seville with only 25 miles on it?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059
    edited September 2

    Anybody want a 1979 Cadillac Seville with 25 verified miles on it?

    It's filthy, and moldy inside but I suspect that a massive detailing, some steel wool and a few days in the shop to change fluids and mount tires might get it on the road. It has sustained some damage due to moisture I'm sure.

    Personally, I'd leave it just the way it is and trailer it to car shows. It'll get more buzz than anything that's been restored. Yep, that's the original dealer sticker on there. Totals $16,000, a tidy sum in those days.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059
    edited September 2

    That black stuff is just a thick layer of dust. As I was examining the car, one of the owner's many cats brushed my ankle. I looked over to give it a gentle shove with my foot and looking up at me was a skunk! I just turned the light on him slowly and he ambled off.

    This has been a weird day :)

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,325

    @stickguy said: so to wrap this up, after discussing with the wife, decided that for our needs (likely me to drive for the next year, and ultimately consider giving to my daughter to take to college), a mid size sedan would work best. And of the ones, considering all the factors, she actually liked the Camry the best (darned nice stereo interface!), and I was actually be fine with that. Cost no object, and purely for me, I might go Legacy instead.

    key to this of course is the huge discounts. and budget. So, I called the salesman back to ask for a buy and lease quote on an LE and a base XLE (about a 2K difference in sticker). After talking about how to proceed, I think I may go with a lease here, if the monthly nut is too good to pass up. That way I can sell the rest of the fleet, and put all the money into paying off the RDX, and going forward with 2 newer cars and no more dealing with issues.

    timing not perfect (4 years of college, 3 years of lease) but also possible that princess will get something different when time comes. Or I will. or something. Who knows? But, if I get an offer tomorrow that sounds good, I may shock the hell out of myself by getting a Camry! The XLE idea was a compromise on a lease, to get something with the moonroof and XM, etc. And get new. And if I like it, can always buy it out at the end!

    still not a done deal. There is always the option to sell the Volvo, and just keep the old TL. But what fun is that?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059
    edited September 2

    Another car parked behind it...it's a stick shift, of all things. And a US model, too. Nothing here that $75,000 wouldn't fix.

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,325
    edited September 2

    @jayrider said:

    I'd go check comps on an Accord --- telling the Toyota guy you are looking at them may get you a bit of extra help.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    should have gone to the Honda dealer today too. They were giving out free hotdogs.

    Possibly could expand options if I go back to leasing. I do like the Accord quite a bit. But it will be more expensive.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,579

    @stickguy said: so RB, how do you really feel?

    It surprised me though being nicer than I expected. Plus it will likely serve as the car for my kid to drive back and forth to NC, and use around campus while there. Good for that duty. me? I either drive it up and down the highway, or putt around town. Not like I am taking the TL out to autocross!

    I agree 100% with how fellow Kentuckian David E. Davis Jr. inscribed my original copy of Turn Your Hymnals to 2002: "NO BORING CARS!" Everything in my garage has to put a smile on my face when I slide behind the wheel- although I have to admit that the 328i is nothing to get excited about, but then it is my wife's sled(come to think of it, I don't think she is all that attached to it either).

    I'd take my 1975 2002 or 1999 Wrangler in a heartbeat over the most expensive Camry. Every time.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,663

    @stickguy

    Nice write up on the Legacy. I'll drive one in the next few days and post my findings. Where'd you do all your test driving? By you in NJ or by your parents' place in Rockland?

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,638

    Well, I doubt you would toss the keys to either of those cars to your daughter (assuming for a second that your son was a girl!) to take the 8 hours to school and back as needed.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,825

    5 speed? Probably not.

    @Mr_Shiftright said: Another car parked behind it...it's a stick shift, of all things. And a US model, too. Nothing here that $75,000 wouldn't fix.

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,579
    edited September 2

    @stickguy said: Well, I doubt you would toss the keys to either of those cars to your daughter (assuming for a second that your son was a girl!) to take the 8 hours to school and back as needed.

    I'd let him take the Wrangler-he likes it, the issue is lack of secure cargo space-and the only reason he didn't take the '02 is its lack of A/C...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,144

    @Mr_Shiftright said: That black stuff is just a thick layer of dust. As I was examining the car, one of the owner's many cats brushed my ankle. I looked over to give it a gentle shove with my foot and looking up at me was a skunk! I just turned the light on him slowly and he ambled off.

    This has been a weird day :)

    Wow, Shifty. Amazing that cars get abandoned and forgotten about like that. I remember those bulb indicators on the fenders--later, my grandparents' Buick Park Avenues had them on the dashboard and another set for the tail/brake lamps above the rear window. I wonder how many of those late-80s era electronic gadgets are still fully functional today?

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,563

    @Mr_Shiftright said: Anybody want a 1979 Cadillac Seville with only 25 miles on it?

    And just when I had my low milage fetish under control!

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • au1994au1994 Posts: 784

    @breld said: I want this bad, but don't have the appetite for spending the money right now.

    ZHP Vert

    Not priced all that bad considering the miles and presumably good condition - it's at the dealership where three of our BMWs have come from. If they price gets reduced to somewhere in the $15k's, I'd be tempted, but I don't think it will last that long (its' a one-price dealership).

    Later to the party here, but that's awfully nice. Not 17k nice though. I think you are spot on around the 15k mark and that would be OTD,

    2013 335i Sport Line Alpine White over Coral Red w/Black Trim

    2005 330cic ZHP Monaco Blue over Natural Brown w/Black Trim

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,440

    certainly with the prices of old SLs these days, that has to be well worth saving. The Caddy? I dunno, what is the greatest possible up-side on that if it was cleaned up and ready to go? $7k?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,532

    Is that SL a 280?

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,998

    @Mr_Shiftright - is that Seville one of the ones that is pale yellow both inside and out?

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059

    @ ab348 -- yes, it is the pale yellow one---does that make it somehow special? Why did you mention that?

    @rayainsw -- nope, it's a 230SL, which is considerably "plainer" (some enthusiasts might say "more pure") than the 280SL in its trim and options. Doubt it's a 5-speed. I have never seen a USA 230SL 5-speed, or any USA SL 5-speed for that matter.

    @gbrozen--- yes, the SL is worth saving, even though I suspect that by the time you're done, you'd be lucky to break even. The Seville? I dunno, what's such low mileage really worth? You can buy these cars almost pristine for $10K.

    If I owned the Seville, I'd just tow it to shows just like you see it in the photos, dirt and all, and collect my trophies for "most original"---ain't nobody gonna beat me in that category!

    The story I got was that these two partners decided that the '79 Seville was going to be the last of that breed of car (they got that part right) and since they already had a Seville and loved it, why then let's spend another $16,000 for another one to keep around. Well, apparently the bloom came off the rose and nobody got around to starting up the new one, so it sat, and sat, and sat---they both had other cars, and they were renovating a house in a once-scary neighborhood, so they had their hands full with security, etc. The Seville just got deep-sixed way in the back of a basement garage in an old old house---dirt floor, exposed floor joists up top, spiders, rats, skunks, dampness, you name it.

    It was nasty in there. I was sneezing for two hours, practically burned by clothes and took two showers. And yeah, for that story, it was worth it! :)

    Also there was an old Model A Ford, along with the beat-up Jaguar S Type and the SL.

    I should preserve this whole scene as a test to see if someone is cured from Classic Car Chronic Buyer's Disease (CCBD--strikes one in five American families).

    We got your German iron, we got your American iron, we got your modern "fixer-upper", we got your iconic antique. A virtual banquet of money-pits for the discerning lunatic.

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,998

    @Mr_Shiftright said: @ ab348 -- yes, it is the pale yellow one---does that make it somehow special? Why did you mention that?

    Well, aside from the fact that nobody produces pale yellow cars anymore, making it unique in that regard, the one I am thinking of also had pale yellow leather and trim INSIDE - even more unusual. How rare they are I do not know. But can you imagine? A car with a virtually all-yellow interior? I would love one of those. :)

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059
    edited September 2

    Yes, inside was pale yellow also. I already nicknamed it the Banana Boat.

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  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,532

    'the beat-up Jaguar S Type' ?

    Did I miss this in earlier comments?

    Year? Condition?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,059

    Oh I didn't want to fill this topic up with too much stuff. That was a 2000 Jaguar S Type (aka a Lincoln LS)--pretty much a beat up nothing car with body damage, high miles and christmas lights across the dashboard on start-up.

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