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Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,075
    I always loved the styling of the Infiniti J35. They were never very popular and I can't remember the last time I saw one.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They had terrible marketing, while Nissan's was good (loved the one with the Z and the Van Halen music where GI Joe steals Barbie from Ken). Look which brand has grown more.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,860
    edited December 2012
    We drove the J when it was first introduced and liked it, but Infiniti dealer was impossible to deal with. Ended up buying a Sterling, of all things.

    Beautiful dark grey. Drove and handled really good, and we got it at a great price of around $17,500...but so many electrical glitches it was hard to live with. I remember it was a hot day and the AC quit working before we got home. We turned around and went back to the dealer and it took them about 2 hours to get it working. Traded before warranty was up.

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    Just read that Mitsubishi, Suzuki and Volvo are likely to abandon selling cars in the USA. I was surprised with Volvo but it seems their sales and dealer network is pretty dismal. Since no one on this forum buys new, probably not an issue.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,936
    edited December 2012
    Suzuki announced they were pulling out a month or so ago (cars, not bikes). The Mitsu rumor mill keeps saying they will fold, but there's nothing definite there.

    This is the first I've heard about Volvo. The Chinese owners just announced a big investment to continue making cars in Sweden so I don't put much stock in that one. (Yahoo). Sales are definitely down though, especially in Europe. Got a link?

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,213
    "...just read..."

    Every six months or so there's a rumor that Mitsubishi is leaving the US market. So far they haven't but I don't see how they can keep going with only half a line up.

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    Can't seem to remember where I read it but other than the Asian cars, It's probably just speculation based on poor sales and after Ford cutting them loose.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mitsu is down 28% for the year, losing over 20k in sales compared to last year, which itself was a bad year.

    I have not seen anything official, but you know how it goes. Management will deny up until the last second, because orphan cars lose value and become hard to sell.

    Volvo would surprise me. A little.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    After I bought my LaCrosse, I saw some stats about Buick being the worst selling GM brand. They are trying to get younger buyers and the cars are well put together and have updated looks and performance. There are forums that show some younger folks are LaCrosse fans -- a poor man's BMW 5 -- so geezers like me who could afford a 5, figure they can put the extra 25 to 30k to other uses. The 30-40 year old's with money are not buying Buicks. I don't think they ever will.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    edited December 2012
    The 30-40 year old's with money are not buying Buicks. I don't think they ever will.

    I'm 34 and love my LaCrosse. Of course I also have a Grand Marquis and have owned Town Cars and Toyota Avalons, so maybe I just don't count.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    The question would be -- do you run in the young rich crowd where status is very important ? That is what Buick wants to tap.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    An older gentleman commented that Audi just didn't have the CACHE of a Mercedes or BMW, but that it appeared to be a very nice car.

    In my mind, I was thinking I don't give a HOOT or a damn about cache, status, or whatever intangible fake values people make up. I care about the horsepower, the FE, the handling and driving characteristics, and the price.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    No, not at all and far far from rich.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    I think part of the problem is that they are only now beginning to try and define an identity for Buick. They shouldn't attempt to be a luxury marque, as that is the role of Cadillac within the GM lineup. I would think a more appropriate level would be that of Volvo or VW... an intermediate (for the most part).

    For did the same thing to Mercury (which filled the same niche for them as Buick does for GM)... there was just no real identity there. Instead of trying to revive it, they squashed it to focus on other areas and simply absorbed the niche with high-level Ford-branded trims (or low-level Lincoln-branded trims, whichever).

    Having intermediate marques means you need to have a corporate strategy to fit them into the family. GM's strategy was "gather all the brands we can!" It's not easy to turn that around.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,496
    The truly "rich" and flashy drive exotics maybe starting with a Bentley or a higher line AMG or M car, and going up from there. Buick isn't on the radar.

    Now the simply affluent...harder to define. Doesn't take a gigantic income to be able to swing the lease payments on a new 5er or E etc. Buick should chase those, and maybe not aim too high. And indeed, status is important. Gotta build it somehow first.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,075
    And quite a few wealthy people don't get much enjoyment from flashy cars and drive a Chevy Tahoe, or a beat up old Subaru or pickup, etc.
  • ronsteveronsteve Posts: 435
    Just read that Mitsubishi, Suzuki and Volvo are likely to abandon selling cars in the USA. I was surprised with Volvo but it seems their sales and dealer network is pretty dismal. Since no one on this forum buys new, probably not an issue.

    Well, Suzuki is actually a done deal, American unit filed Chapter 11 and said they're no longer selling cars in the US. Mitsu wouldn't be too surprising, but Volvo would surprise me. And I would be skittish about owning an orphan car... can't imagine how interesting it could be to get parts.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    I always comment to my wife whenever we see an elderly couple at the grocery store in a 1985 Olds beater -- dressed in shabby clothes --- wonder what they have in the bank. You never know. Friend of my wife lived with her husband like a pauper. When he died they found over 3 million in stocks and 50k hidden around the house. Never signed his will so the State got 1/3 and she started buying clothes at Macy's and a new car before she died. The kids came out fine. You NEVER know.
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  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,075
    "And I would be skittish about owning an orphan car... can't imagine how interesting it could be to get parts."

    The Saab dealer in Louisville bought a ton of vehicles out of the bankruptcy proceeding. I think they have around 100 new Saabs on their lot. They're packaging them with an aftermarket 50,000 mile warranty (of dubious value) and advertising them for $10k or so off MSRP. I have no idea what the actual transaction prices are. It's an interesting prospect, but I'm spoiled by easy parts availability for my E39, not to mention the availability of pictures and written instructions for almost every repair job on the BMW forums due to the number sold and the enthusiast following they have. On the new model Saab 9-5 or 9-4, there were only a few thousand ever made, so it's not like there will be some central reference for "common" problems, since there simply aren't enough vehicles in the field.
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