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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    The Sunday paper (I know, old school) also works just fine. Whenever a maker is running heavily subsidized leases (or specials like 0/0/0) every dealer seems to feature them in their ads. Not to mention the endless TV commercials!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    how quaint. But not gonna hurt you.

    even if they don't have brand new stock, see if they have any on the used side. I don't think that it has changed enough since released that it would not give you a good feel as to if it would work.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    Update - I went to the specific dealer website rather than the "Go Dealers" (Auto Nation brand name here in Denver) website and found our number one choice in stock.

    Checked on insurance ... about $45 cheaper per year than the CX-7, so that's a wash.

    Need to determine if premium is "required" or "recommended" for the Juke. With a small, direct-injected turbo, I suspect it will be required.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,059
    We say "Premium unleaded (recommended)".
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,031
    Try to steer your bride into this Juke:


    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    edited March 2013
    Yeah, the NISMO version. She's not really the "Fast 'n' Furious" type, if you know what I mean.

    Only 9 more HP?

    And, the summer only rubber would be a killer when the snow falls here in Colorado.

    From a features point of view, about the only thing she's giving up with the Juke are the HID headlights, the telescoping steering wheel, and power seats.

    Oh, and a fair bit of interior space. 4" less rear legroom, 1/3 luggage capacity (30 cu ft in the Mazda, 10 in the Juke).

    Everything else she's got on the CX-7 - Bluetooth, sunroof, heated seats, nav, backup camera - are now available on the Juke.

    In fact, the Juke has Sirius/XM traffic available - she might be able to use that for the driving that she'll be doing.

    Hopefully, she'll get a chance to look it over and drive it today. I'm concerned that she won't like the CVT. Or the rear spoiler.

    Related note - the co-worker who got rid of the Land Rover bought a Forrester.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,916
    That is really really disappointing.
    I hoped they'd get somewhere in the same ballpark as this one. But 197hp? That's not even the same planet.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If it is a long drive in the convertible bring not just a hat but also ear plugs, that reduces fatigue.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Dealers are getting 2014 Foresters now. The 2 closest dealers have 2 each.

    Was it you who was waiting to see those?
  • gouldngouldn Posts: 213
    Ah that was me (looking for them). I'll check the local stock! Thanks! If I go the Forester route I'll want to go full boat loaded, although I could do without the turbo.
  • gouldngouldn Posts: 213
    I've been looking at the Juke too, and I like it ... it's a tad too small for me, but one thing I'd be concerned about is the mileage ... if you look at fuelly the average was about 30, but then I noticed that includes the diesel version which we cannot get. I wonder if real world mpg would be more like 25 ... fine, but not a whole lot more the 19, especially if you have to use PUG.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    2013 or 2014?

    One member ordered one but I haven't heard of anyone taking delivery yet.

    Good luck with the wheeling and dealing.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wifey loves her 09 Limited, as loaded as the non turbos came at the time.

    They offer a LOT more options now. You can go hog crazy.
  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    2013 or 2014?

    My guess is that it's a '13.

    We will see how it goes tonight .. it's possible the daughter will be with us to evaluate the back seat. The Juke would still fill the "family car" role for when the 3 of us travel together.

    I, too, am concerned about the MPG, and, more importantly, the fact that the AWD version has an 11.8 gallon fuel tank (FWD has 13.2 gallon tank). At 30 MPG you're looking at around 300 miles per tank.

    The CX-7 has a 16 gallon tank, so if you fill up once a week @ $4/gal (PUG), you're saving about $16.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited March 2013
    Hmm, your daughter may complain about the tight space.

    My advice? Stay out of it if they argue about that. ;)

    The small gas tank in the Miata is an annoyance.
  • gouldngouldn Posts: 213
    Thanks guys!

    that "ridewithg" website is neat, thanks! The lease swapper sites are neat, but I wonder how you ensure yourself that the previous owners didn't damage the car that you end up being on the hook for at least end? Has anybody here ever tried it?
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    edited March 2013
    If I was using that site I would certainly try and stay pretty local so I could check the car out. Before I leased the LaCrosse I was looking on there pretty often and was ready to contact a seller about an MKS with a really low payment for the MSRP and when I went back it was gone.

    I guess you could also email the seller asking for hi-res pictures. There isn't really any gamble mechanically as it will be under warranty.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • breldbreld Posts: 1,139
    At least from the pictures, I'm really liking the new 2014 Forester. I'll be checking them out when they become more available.

    I did end up listing the 530i - I did so at a really high asking price, figuring that if I found the buyer who really wants that specific car, it'd be a good deal. And if not, then I just hang onto it.

    Good luck with the Juke shopping this evening Michael - I assume it's Go Nissan down on Arapahoe? That's just down the road from my work - I could come down and cheer you on to making the purchase :D .

    2014 Passat - 2008 Audi TT - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,282
    Hey, at least the NISMO comes with a manual transmission option! I didn't look close enough to see whether that is with or without AWD, but the basic Juke only offers MT on the FWD. No thanks. But then, I don't really care too much since they are so terribly ugly that I would never seriously consider owning one.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,129
    W is for Why would I ever even consider driving a vehicle built by another manufacturer?

    Everyone here knows how much I simply LOVE my 2011 E90 328xi. One of the many benefits to owning (leasing in my case) a BMW is the excellent service & great pool of loaner cars available. Hey, you're getting a new BMW as a loaner, how bad could it be? For my 1st service I had the distinct pleasure of driving an E90 335d which I gushed about.

    This past Tuesday I brought it back to the dealer (2nd time in a year, damn those unreliable German cars), for a few nagging issues. The trunk latch needed to be replaced (this part was ordered form my previous service) and my right headlight was looking a little droopy. The loaner I was given this time was a 2013 BMW X1 X-Drive 28i.

    For those of you unfamiliar (although I'm pretty sure most of you are), X1 X-Drive 28i is BMW speak for X1 with the N20 2.0L Turbo 4cyl engine & AWD. My tester loaner was equipped (from what I could tell) with Premium Package (leather, home link, power seats, panorama roof), heated front seats, and keyless go. I was excited to drive the X1 for it's power train, the 1st BMW I drove with the Turbo 4cyl engine & 8 speed automatic transmission.

    First Impressions:

    Exterior: The X1 definitely has the whole "tall wagon" look going for it. My loaner was Black with 17" wheels and standard halogen headlights. The European Pedestrian Crash Safety nose combined with BMWs traditional short overhangs make the car look stubby.

    Interior: The seating position is definitely "down & in" the car as opposed to my E90 which is more level. The cabin seems wider than my E90. I immediately grab the perfectly thick, 3 spoke steering wheel & start thinking of ways to switch it with mine ;) Soft touch plastics are all over the place. The top of the instrument cluster feels hard. Outward visibility is not good. Thick A Pillar almost forces you to stick your head out the window like Ace Ventura. Look over your left shoulder (like when moving from right lane to center lane) and there's a sight blocking B Pillar. Rear visibility is also dismal. A backup camera and blind zone alert sensors should be standard.

    Driving Impressions:

    Foot on the brake, insert key (I didn't realize it had keyless go yet), press start button. The N20 growls to life, but never settles down. Idle is almost coarse. In its defense, my Prelude's engine is impressively smooth (with counter rotating balance shafts), my Pilot's 3.5 L V6 is damn close to silent, & my BMW's Inline 6's smoothness is legendary.

    Snaking my way around the parking lot, I notice the steering is a touch lighter than my E90, but very communicative. A right turn out of the dealership, a couple of traffic lights and its time to jump on the highway. Left blinker and put the throttle half way down while merging & I'm going 75 without breaking a sweat. I settle down and set the cruise at 70 because its late and I'm tired.

    The X1 holds the road well as a BMW should. The ride is not as compliant as my 3 series. The engine note is audible, but not offensively. Its a 4cyl after all.

    Time to pay a toll. Slow down to 5mph in the EZPass lane, slide the shifter into DS and drop the hammer. The car actually forced me back into my seat. This car has an incredible power band. The 8 speed auto trans shifted crisply. I look down and see the speedo needle sweeping past the 110 mph mark. Whoa. Slow down. Ease on the brakes and set the cruise at 70 for the remainder of the ride home.

    Once I got off the highway, I was able to test the X1s handling as we have some brilliant back roads here in CT. The X1 drives as if it smaller than my 328xi. I really noticed this while taking corners. The steering is quick and you can feel less mass over the rear wheels.

    My average gas mileage over the 100 miles I drove was 23.5

    The verdict:

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy a BMW with this N20 4Cyl turbo engine. It is not as smooth, but much faster than my Inline 6. I also couldn't justify the extra scratch for the N55 Turbo Inline 6 powered X1 X-Drive 35i. I really liked the way it drove.

    The X1 just doesn't look right to me. The loaner's 17" wheels didn't fill out the wheel wells enough, the standard halogen lights were horrible and made the X1 look cheap.

    Gas mileage was a little better than in my 328xi, but with the 4cyl engine, auto start/stop, and 8 speed automatic, I expected much better.

    I wouldn't run out and buy an X1 when my lease is up. But if there was a fire sale on service loaners or executive demos, I'd consider it if other BMWs are too pricey for me.

    Thanks for reading. Sorry to steal some of your thunder today Sandy.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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