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  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,151
    @au1994....I haven't seen any CLA's on the road - how are they selling?

    From what I've been told by my dealership, they are selling well, however sales levels are more dependent on the demographics where a specific dealer is located.

    My dealership is located in an upscale community where the average age of the buyer is in the 45-70 year old range. Thus, sales are not as robust there as they are in other areas of south Florida where the demographics are more upper middle class and ages 21-40 years of age. The CLA sells better to younger drivers and to buyers who are in the $30,000-$40,000 price range. As an example, the Cadillac ATS is a direct competitor to the CLA as is the Buick Regal.

    Also, it is a direct competitor to the 3 series BMW and A4.

    I know that sales of the CLA have helped Mercedes take over the #1 retail spot from BMW as the top selling imported luxury manufacturer. Originally, Mercedes had targeted next year to surpass BMW - but outsold them this year - due in part to the CLA.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,007

    @isellhondas said: I've never really looked at an X1 that closely nor have I sat in one but the look smaller than a CRV. Are they? I guess I could look up the specs myself.

    I'm driving a GMC Terrain SLE with four cylinders and AWD. My instincts tell me it weighs more than the CR-V but doesn't have significantly more power. It is quiet and relatively comfortable and easy to drive on the highway. I'm only averaging 23 MPG, and that was a trip in which I was cruising at 75 on the interstate the majority of the time. It has a number of poorly implemented convenience features which, due to the poor implementation, end up being irritating. MSRP is substantially higher than the CR-V for a similarly equipped car. I'm not sure what the point is unless someone is dead set on having the optional V6. I'll try to write up a more comprehensive review when I turn the Terrain in.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,946

    Quite well, apparently

    I live in an area loaded with the target demographic - 30-50 year olds who might want something cooler than normal, either for the experience or just the badge. I've seen several on the road. At least until the newness wears off, it's a home run.

    @au1994 said: I haven't seen any CLA's on the road. How are the selling?

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,129

    @isellhondas

    CRV Length - 178.3" X1 Length - 176.5"

    CRV Wheelbase - 103.1" X1 Wheelbase - 108.7"

    The CRV "trumps" the X1 in pretty much every dimensional statistical category.

    CRV horsepower/torque - 185 @ 7,000 RPM/163 @ 4,400 RPM X1 horsepower/torque - 240 @ 5,000 RPM/260 @ 1,250 RPM

    I don't think Honda is going to loose any sleep with regards to how many X1s BMW will sell. The average CRV Buyer is most likely not going to step foot on a BMW lot. If they did, they'd be in for sticker shock. A loaded CRV EXL W/ Navigation stickers for $31,275. I'll bet the average X1 sitting on a dealer's lot stickers for very close to $40K.

    The $36,000 X1 I built online has only the lighting pkg, cold weather pkg, & Harmon Kardon stereo. It would have to be custom ordered. The one Mike saw in Fla is most likely a RWD X1 which you won't find here in the north east.

    I've had the X1 as a loaner once and prefer it to the current 3 series sedan.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579

    Drove a 2013 Passat with 23k plus down from Orlando to Lauderdale today and was surprised at the power on tap...hit the gas and down the pike I flew with neary a hiccup! For a vehicle with these rental miles, I was very impressed actually. We did another Avis run today and the Mini Cooper and the 3 Series in our line were taken out by the powers that be. Was supposed to do 2 Daytona to Cape Canaveral runs also but they were taken away by the time we got to Cocoa Beach. Have to report at 8 tomorrow for the same as today...3 runs at this point. Am taking a change of clothes and staying at my kids place in West Palm to cut down on the driving time. Will probably start to do this a couple nights a week until season is over to save some time and petrol. Have already volunteered for Tuesday evening and Wednesday since we do not celebrate this holiday so we'll see what happens. Last year, my old company worked on the holiday and since we're so busy now, figured I'd volunteer to help out a bit and also to get paid a little more. I'm seriously thinking of swapping out the 4 speakers very soon so can use the extra cash...just not getting into the sound of the stock ones, something is missing! The Civic sounded so much fuller in that the sound really enveloped me...this one I feel left out of the music if that makes any sense at all. I can't put into words what I am not hearing but it must be fixed soon. Besides the mileage, I'm quite happy with my Tuscon...quite happy!!!

    _The Sandman :) B) _

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,151
    @nyccarguy...the one Mike saw was probably a RWD...

    Yes it was, nyccarguy! It had limited options but it was a great looking vehicle. The 435i they had there last week was a sharp looker as well - but very, very pricey! I guess BMW is trying go recoup some of those included maintenance costs - I 'be noticed higher MSRP's on their entire line.

    My dealer included the first 2 maintenance pit stops. The first service is an "A" service (10,000 miles) usually cost about $375.00. The next service is a "B" service (20,000 miles) and usually costs about $450.00. But they do not include brake pads or rotors, which BMW covers.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,129

    @abacomike - I think I'm one of the few (percentage wise anyway) that takes full advantage of BMW's full scheduled maintenance. The person who leased their 3er for 10,000 miles per year will mst likely get 2 oil changes in the same 2 1/2 year period that I get an oil change, inspection I service, brake fluid, rear brakes, an oil change, front brakes, an oil change...

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,129

    @ isellhondas - another thing I need to consider is that leasing costs an extra $1,000. $795 acquisition fee & $350 for new plates (in CT)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602

    my son now seems to be leaning more toward buying a new car. Probably makes more sense to get something nice and just keep it for the duration, even though it will be a 5 year loan vs. a 3 year lease. If the delta can be kept to about $100/month, will likely go that way. Helps that he has adjusted his sights a bit lower (though the 3 he wants ends up being a loaded i).

    more flexibility at least if his situation changes in the future. heck, I liked the 3. Maybe I could buy it off of him!

    Too bad though it is a new model and pretty popular. No big specials (lease, finance or rebate). So nothing really to scream "buy me now", unless the dealer is desperate for a sale on the 31st.

    though now that the TL oil pan gasket is dripping (no more parking in garage or driveway for him!) and the hot restart issue seems to be recurring, it may really be a sign from above to just bit the bullet. though maybe I don't want to keep the damn thing either, but I also have no desire to dump another $600 into it any time soon.

    I know that on a spreadsheet it is cheaper to keep an old car nursed along, but at some point, it is not worth the aggravation and worry.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 157

    @nyccarguy said: isellhondas

    The average CRV Buyer is most likely not going to step foot on a BMW lot. If they did, they'd be in for sticker shock. A loaded CRV EXL W/ Navigation stickers for $31,275. I'll bet the average X1 sitting on a dealer's lot stickers for very close to $40K.

    Up here in the icy Vermont North country the Honda and BMW dealer are together, so it is easy to cross shop. We actually test drove both a CRV and X-1. My wife thought they were a major step down from the Infiniti G35x. We ended searching for and buying a 2010 CPO BMW 535xiT (wagon) instead. It's the last year for the wagon. Nice car.

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2010 GMC Sierra SLE, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579

    Yep Stick, I agree and that's where I am at with her Mazda, I do not want to throw anymore $ at it. It's time to get something and just move on! Hopefully, she will come to this same conclusion herself!

    _The Sandman :) B) _

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • Michaell@EdmundsMichaell@Edmunds ColoradoPosts: 1,310

    @sandman_6472 said: Yep Stick, I agree and that's where I am at with her Mazda, I do not want to throw anymore $ at it. It's time to get something and just move on! Hopefully, she will come to this same conclusion herself!

    _The Sandman :) B) _

    What's that adage? "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink?"

    She'll be ready when she's ready. If she wants to continue to invest her money in maintenance and repairs, that's what she'll do. Doesn't matter what you think. Just like when you bought the Tuscon - you think she was telling her friends how dumb you were for spending the money when you had a perfectly good Civic with low miles?

    michaell@edmunds.com

    Moderator, Prices Paid and Leasing Experiences

    2013 Hyundai Elantra GT / 2010 Mazda CX-7 GT / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602

    if it is anything like my wife, all it takes is a stranding to make it happen. Let her breakdown on the side of the highway, just once, and I give it 2 days. tops.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,007

    Happy Festivus! I got a lot of problems with you people! :p

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,282
    edited December 2013

    @stickguy said: if it is anything like my wife, all it takes is a stranding to make it happen. Let her breakdown on the side of the highway, just once, and I give it 2 days. tops.

    That is the absolute TRUTH! And, that happens whether you want it to or not. :p

    That's how we ended up with our Forester. My wife simply refused to use the '98 DGC again after it stranded her on two separate occasions w/in about a month's time. She even went so far as to steal my Escort from me for over a month until the Forester arrived... which is saying a lot! She hated my Escort.

  • Michaell@EdmundsMichaell@Edmunds ColoradoPosts: 1,310

    I just had a long conversation with my sister. Now that she knows I work for Edmunds, I'm getting asked all sorts of questions. Some I can answer, some I can't. Looking for perspective, insight and opinions.

    First, the basics - my sis and BIL have 3 boys, ages 16, 13 and 10. The 16 yo just got his license. They have two cars - a late model Navigator with 111K and an '03 330i ZHP with 130K; both are paid for.

    BIL has about a 1 mile commute; sis' is 5-6 miles one way.

    They are looking to get a 3rd car for them to share. Son would drive the BMW; BIL would drive the Navigator 4 days a week and "new car" on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Sister would drive 'new car' Monday-Thursday to work.

    Budget is $25K with about $5K to put down. They won't do new or leases, and they prefer luxury brands. Sister found a 2010 Lexus IS250 (40K for $25K), but BIL prefers the Infiniti G37 coupe. Not predisposed to Acura for some reason.

    I'm opening the floor to comments.

    michaell@edmunds.com

    Moderator, Prices Paid and Leasing Experiences

    2013 Hyundai Elantra GT / 2010 Mazda CX-7 GT / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,916
    edited December 2013

    Comment? OK... why the hell does he need a car to go 1 mile? That's an incredible waste, IMHO. There is no way I'd pay the insurance alone for that. Bicycle? Roller skates? Moped? There are just so many other answers. I'd be walking that at least half the time. If another car is insisted upon, then get the cheapest used economy car possible. I mean... think about that... it needs to go all of about 470 miles a year TOTAL!

    Oh, and no way in hell a new driver is getting a ZHP in my house. Not unless I am successful in getting him into racing well before his road license age.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,204

    I doubt if your post will generate any suggestions ---- doesn't seem like anything folks online here find engaging. Love my 2012 Buick LaCrosse. Paid 34k [msrp 41k] Mine is AWD and loaded and would only be 18-19k trade in so a good buy there. Very upscale interior and smooth quiet ride. 4 year warranty from new.

  • Well if they're going to keep comp/collision on that BMW with a 16 year old driving, I would think the insurance costs alone might discourage that idea. A 16 year old's first car should, ideally, be made out of rubber, but barring that, I'm inclined to suggest they at least explore selling the BMW (which is miled up to the danger level for BMWs anyway), and use the money to buy the kid a very decent used car that doesn't require comp/collision. Then for the "new car", which will be used, maybe a low miles G37 would work out just fine.

    @Michaell@Edmunds said: I just had a long conversation with my sister. Now that she knows I work for Edmunds, I'm getting asked all sorts of questions. Some I can answer, some I can't. Looking for perspective, insight and opinions.

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