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Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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  • ronsteveronsteve Posts: 435
    Mazda 3's. My son was looking for a manual transmission so after some looking we found one, the salesman looked at the window sticker and commented that the price of the car was $22k. I walked over and looked at the MSRP which said it was just over $19k. He pointed to the dealer addendum and said that was the price. I commented on the "additional dealer mark-up" of $1995 and how i hadn't seen that at other dealers. He tried to convince me that was the "Alaska price adjustment". At that point I realized he was more worried about losing his "Alaska price adjustment" than showing the car. So I said we were done and we left.

    You know, I've found Mazda dealers to be the absolute worst with those bump stickers. I shopped during the "employee pricing" blitz that the US automakers tried in '05 or '06, and when the Mazda sales guy could tell I noticed the $1495 bump sticker on a Mazda 6, I got to hear the sob story about how even in that employee pricing world (Ford S-Plan, I think) they still made no money selling at what amounted to MSRP. And this was in North Carolina!

    Makes me wonder if it's worth looking at a 3 when we seriously shop a few months from now.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    He tried to convince me that was the "Alaska price adjustment".

    Mazda must be part of the Continental Auto Group. They started that nonsense back in 2009. I actually bought a Subaru Outback from them in January 2007 because I saved quite a bit versus purchasing in Fairbanks, but didn't have to make a 2,200 mile trek as I would have buying from Seattle (which would have only saved me another $800 before counting the cost of the trip). The salesmen at Continental were very pleasant to work with, and the only gripe I had was that they assured me the car came with a block heater... but the car didn't come with a block heater. :mad:

    Fast forward 2.5 years when we were going to buy our current Forester, and it was a 180! Those two salesmen were gone (didn't surprise me, since they actually seemed like decent fellas), and the current staff were clinging to that $1,995 markup with a death grip. They wouldn't even talk price with me, and I was willing to start at MSRP. So, I saved 2.5K over Fairbanks when I bought in Seattle, but I saved a whopping 4.5K over Continental's prices! I don't know how they even sell cars there. :sick:
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • nsbio1nsbio1 Posts: 52
    Depends on a dealer. I bought a then-new 08 mazda3 in NC and the first Mazda dealer in RTP area was absolutely disgusting with sleazy salesman giving me crap about the car going back to MSRP if I do not put a deposit tomorrow; the second one was nicer on a phone, but hung up on me when I asked them if it would be possible to go below invoice, and the third one was very nice and offered the price that was not unreasonable, only ~$80 more than dealer #1. For those in the RTP area, I will let them guess which dealer is which :).

    I recently moved to another state where weather is much colder and where there is only one Mazda dealer in the entire state, and I bought a CX-9 from them: they were extremely nice. Just to give an example, two weeks after buying the CX-9, I brought in the 08 Mazda 3 for a non-warranty repair and they gave me a free rental vehicle on a spot.
    So YMMV.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,466
    its close to where i work!

    But how in the world does the AutoCheck say the odometer checks out??

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,329
    One thing you can be sure of, they wouldn't be putting those add-on charges if it didn't make money. There are enough uninformed car buyers out there to make it work. The uneducated consumer is the economies best friend across the board.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    edited October 2012
    That looks like it could be a load of fun. Any major issues with that model? Also, does that car have a 100K odometer or a 1M?
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,466
    I'm almost certain it has a 6-figure odometer, and I believe its even digital. So something is terribly wrong there.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    Yeah, that's ridiculously low mileage for such a car. With no interior pictures, I couldn't dismiss it outright, though I have to wonder why it wouldn't have interior photos if the mileage were accurate. The sucker would have to look rather pristine!
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,466
    well, considering the history report shows over 50k when it was 5 years old, I have to assume the mileage is not accurate. Question is what is the real mileage? Maybe its just some bad pixels and its 80-something thousand. NO idea.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    edited October 2012
    Hahhahaha; that's hilarious (from an innocent bystander's perspective)! I didn't notice that little faux pas, I was only looking at the description tab.

    You can't roll back time, but apparently you can roll back miles. :P

    If it's close to your work, there's an easy way to find out!
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,592
    "...odometer checks out..."

    58k in 1993 but 33k in 2011? That's strange. Could it be a typo in 1993? Or maybe a replaced odometer which would make it a true milage unknown. Are you sure it isn't 133k? My 1988 van has 128k which is pretty close to that. It's on it's second engine and is rusted all to hell. Consider that.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,604
    Back in 1992 I almost bought that car's twin. That's a great combo. The M30 does need the occasional valve adjustment, but it is bulletproof.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • breldbreld Posts: 1,334
    Had the day off while some folks were working on our house, so I went over to a nearby BMW dealer and checked this out:

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    '11 335i xDrive, manual w/M-sport package. CPO w/16k miles.

    Actually made an offer on it and we were about a grand off, but I just wasn't sure if I wanted to spend that kind of money on an E90 - while this one is pretty rare, there are so many other examples out there that would be less expensive. So I walked, but have been thinking about it all night.

    Still like the X1 quite a bit - has the feel of the E90, but with a bit more practical package (and cheaper). But would prefer to wait until they're available as CPO.

    And really would like this - I love the color and this new M-sport "line" on the new 3'er.

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    But pretty pricey - and no manual on the 328i xDrive yet.

    Have a great weekend all!

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,682
    That's a beautiful blue one...stunning really! Too rich for my blood but if I win lotto tonite...maybe.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,596
    To just stay in bed and leave the truck in the garage. Went out today to run errands, started out wonderful, was a beautiful day, sunny and crisp. Stopped by Starbucks for my favorite caramel macchiato.......turned out to be a pretty darn expensive coffee.

    While I was inside, I don't use the drive thru with the diesel since I have to shut it off to order, a girl (18 year old) driving a minivan delivering flowers hit my truck while backing out of the parking space next to it. At least the girl came inside and asked who owned the GMC Sierra, then owned up to what she did, I had to respect her for that. Sadly it looks like she will lose her job, I did talk to the owner about maybe finding her another position since things do happen.

    At first the damage looked fairly minor, but after going to the body shop for an estimate to drop off at the flower shop it turned out the damage was a bit more. Since the tire is ok (had it checked at the tire shop) that dropped the estimate from $2065 to $1813.

    I am sad since my 2007 Sierra has never had any paint work and now it will have to have some along with body work. No matter what, can't take that back. :sick:
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Breld - you had an E90 before & this beautiful example is the pinnacle (for us xi drivers at least). Maybe go in on Tuesday (end of the month) & you'll get your $1000 just so they can move the unit. You won't regret it. 16K is still "brand new." I'm curious as to what they're asking for it. A friend of mine recently picked up a "program car," E90 335i (Sport, Manual, Non CPO) for $37K w/ 7000 miles. This was in South Fla, obviously a much different market than Colorado.

    That F30 Sport Line is beautiful, but I'd be let down by its electric power steering.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,687
    Jolie - I know you are bummed about your Sierra getting hit, but "look at the bright side." You didn't get hurt & the young delivery driver did come in to get you (as opposed to just driving off). Your truck will get fixed. Hopefully you'll find a body shop that can match paint better than the one who fixed your Pilot. Otherwise ther'll be a new member of the family in the garage just in time for thanksgiving.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,275
    edited October 2012
    At the urging of some of our brethren over at Stories From the Sales Front Line. 200K miles. No leakey....no smokey (so far). Good shoes with about 20K miles on them. 50K miles on the timing belt. Trans hits the gear changes a little hard, but hoping it may be normal because the ratios are spaced so wide? A/C blows cold. Heater blows hot. It starts right up and there are no untoward noises under the hood. Brakes "seem" OK...firm, no shudder or squeaking. Just had the front end aligned and the tires rotated balanced. Rust on both rear 1/4s and doors.

    Don't need the car, but there's not a car I've ever bought that I needed.

    $1,000

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  • breldbreld Posts: 1,334
    nyccarguy - thanks for the input.

    Yeah, this is the kind of E90 we were looking for earlier in the year and couldn't find anything like it, so this is a nice find. One thing I noticed after some research last night is that it actually doesn't have the M-sport package - it does have the sport package and the original owner must've added the wheels and "M" style short shifter. It's still just as appealing to me, but it does change the value by about a $1k, so now I definitely wouldn't budge on my offer.

    It's a bit tricky to pin down exactly what they want for the car, since I have a trade involved - on paper they had the 335xi at $40,500 and my trade at $35,500. But based on what I know, that trade is overvalued by at least $1,500, so I think the straight price they're shooting for on the 3 is about $39k. They had it listed for $44k, which was a bit ridiculous.

    But yes, the condition of the car with only the 16k miles is perfect. So a lot of money, but brand new, that 335xi was a bit north of $50k.

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • breldbreld Posts: 1,334
    That F30 Sport Line is beautiful, but I'd be let down by its electric power steering.

    Is that what it is? I drove the F30 just after that E90 and commented to the salesperson how much "lighter" the steering felt.

    But you're right, the F30 stirs my emotions from an aesthetic perspective, and I like the extra room offered over the E90. But there's definitely a different feel in the drive. I figure that's why I like that X1 too.

    2011 BMW 535xi - 2015 GTI - 2008 A3 - 2009 Ody

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,604
    But you're right, the F30 stirs my emotions from an aesthetic perspective, and I like the extra room offered over the E90. But there's definitely a different feel in the drive. I figure that's why I like that X1 too.

    I prefer the F30's styling, but I MUCH prefer the E90 when I'm behind the wheel. The xDrive X1s have hydraulic steering assist, but Car and Driver noted that the electric rack in the sDrive X1 isn't all that bad:

    ...the steering precision and weighting are very good, even on the rear-drive model that uses an electrically assisted rack.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,368
    Just got rid of my CDV, today.... Nice improvement... :)

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  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,596
    I know you are bummed about your Sierra getting hit, but "look at the bright side." You didn't get hurt & the young delivery driver did come in to get you (as opposed to just driving off). Your truck will get fixed. Hopefully you'll find a body shop that can match paint better than the one who fixed your Pilot. Otherwise ther'll be a new member of the family in the garage just in time for thanksgiving.

    I agree that I am lucky that she came and got me, I thanked her several times for that. The owner of the business is a very nice lady and although it sounds like the girl will lose her job I did try to encourage her to find the girl another position in the company.

    I plan on using the same body shop that did the work on the Pilot, one because I don't know any other even 1/2 way decent shop in this area and two, it would be hard to screw up the paint on a non-metallic black truck.

    Looking at the pictures of the damage I took yesterday I really expected the estimate to be around $800, but I didn't see where the rear panel was buckled under.
  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,596
    Pictures:

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    This one is the one that looks the most minor but did the most damage, it buckled the panel under, it's very noticeable from the rear of the truck:
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    Her van:
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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    edited October 2012
    That's funny you mention that story. It involves Starbucks and an accident, which recently came up with with me taking advantage of an Audi dealerships offer to have them appraise my '06 Audi A3 and I get a $10 Starbucks giftcard. I was in the neighborhood and had some free time, so I went for it.

    They said my car had a Carfax accident on it (must of been from a very minor rear fender bender back bumper hit from the La Mesa PD Harley rider/driver), and it was a $667 repair on an Audi back bumper). Simply due to that very minor accident he lowered his initial ultra lowball offer by another 1/7th, or from $7K down to $6K.

    BEWARE of diminished value, it is VERY real on any repair work, even MINOR repair work.
  • Akangl - Sorry to hear about your truck. Quickly takes away the "like new" feeling it may still have had. Really nice of you though to try and save the girl's job, since stuff does happen.

    Roadburner - proud owner of a Z3, yet?
  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,596
    Akangl - Sorry to hear about your truck. Quickly takes away the "like new" feeling it may still have had. Really nice of you though to try and save the girl's job, since stuff does happen.

    I did something very similar when I was her age, so yeah stuff happens. Someone stuck up for me and saved my job, so I was trying to do the same.

    As for the truck, I'm sad it's damaged but it will be repaired and stay in the stable. Can't imagine trading it in, just too good of a truck. Although I do think I will keep Chippy far away from minivans, I seem to have issues with them!
  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,596
    edited October 2012
    In the Focus today, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

    First time I've driven the car more than just a few miles so I figured I'd share my thoughts on it.

    The Good:

    Very pleasant, quiet, holds the road very well even with winter tires. Absorbs bumps amazingly well, and believe me some of the bumps and heaves in the road today were something else. Sport seats were very comfortable even for my touchy back, seating position was very good, nearly as comfortable as my truck. Heated cloth seats were great on the 10 degree morning.

    The Bad:

    Very twitchy, sensitive steering, hard to get used to, I'm sure I could have passed for an impaired driver a few times. Also has a touchy throttle, I found it hard to keep the speed consistent without using cruise control, especially through the mountains. Brakes are really easy to hit too hard without realizing it.

    The Ugly:

    WEAK HEADLIGHTS!!!! When will carmakers figure out that in order to drive the car ya have to be able to see where you are going. I don't know how many times I'd dim the lights for oncoming traffic, then turn the brights on and try to turn them on again. Got close enough to one moose before I saw her that I could have leaned out and kissed her butt.

    Oh and the Focus bagged its first critter today......a poor grouse that tried to get out of the way, he didn't make it. Car-1 Grouse-0
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,707
    the twitchy steering seems to be a "feature" of the new EPS. I find our RDX to be the same way, need constant corrections so it seems darty.

    the other things (brakes) could just be a learning curve, since they are different than what you are used to.

    lights? that you can do something about. Upgrade the bulbs, or if I drove where you take that thing, I would add some moose spotting (er, driving) lights.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,153
    If there was no paintwork on the metal, the Carfax is the only thing affecting the value (it's hard to detect a good repair on a plastic part, since the paint thickness gauges don't work on plastic). Once a car gets in the $5-10,000 price range, I don't think it matters as much, either. Sounds like the dealer was looking for a reason to lowball you.
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