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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,105
    Why would Plymouth have needed a Conquest? Weren't almost all Chrysler dealers Plymouth as well? That is the way it was around here.

    According to Wikipedia, it was marketed as the Dodge and Plymouth Conquest from 1983-86, and then for 1987-89, only as the Chrysler Conquest. Chrysler had a little in-house competition with the Dodge Daytona and Chrysler Laser. However, for 1987, the Laser was dropped, leaving just the Daytona, so that's probably why they dropped the Dodge Conquest and at C-P moved it from a Plymouth to a Chrysler. Perhaps they figured that having just one sporty little coupe at Dodge and one completely different one at C-P was a better use of resources?

    And yeah, I don't think there's been a stand-alone Plymouth dealer since 1959. If there were, they were very rare. Before 1960, Mopar dealerships were usually set up as Dodge-Plymouth, DeSoto-Plymouth, or Chrysler/Imperial-Plymouth. Some bigger stores combined brands, as well. I've heard that one dealer local to me used to be Plymouth/Dodge/DeSoto/Chrysler/Imperial.

    In 1960, Chrysler consolidated into two divisions: Chrysler/Desoto/Plymouth and Dodge. So that both divisions would have some sort of equality, that's why Dodge got the Dart, which matched Plymouth model-for-model. And for '61, Dodge got the Lancer, to counter Plymouth's Valiant. The Dodge Matador and Polara sort of equated to the Desoto Fireflite/Adventurer, and Chrysler's Windsor.

    In some ways, that plan backfired on them, because the Dart outsold the big Plymouths that year, but at the same time, served to cheapen the brand. The big Polara and Matador weren't very popular. DeSotos weren't very popular either, as the almost identical Chrysler Windsor didn't cost much more than the Fireflite, and was cheaper than the Adventurer.

    Also, with having Plymouths and Chryslers in the same showroom, Plymouth had to endure sort of a "glass ceiling", where their cars would never get too nice or upscale, because they didn't want to compete too directly with the Chryslers. Through the 1960's it worked fairly well, but when Ford came out with the LTD and Chevy the Caprice, I think Plymouth was a bit reluctant to push their own Fury VIP too aggressively. And then, in the 70's, when the personal luxury coupe craze caught on, Mopar would fight the Monte Carlo and Grand Prix not with a Plymouth, but with a Chrysler...the Cordoba.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    someday I need to stop in and take an Accord for a ride. Not that I will be in the market soon, but you never know.

    and our 2005 had the cylinder deactivation, and it never bothered me. once in a while if you paid attention you could sort of tell it kicked in, but never bothered me.

    our RDX has a fancy version (I think it runs on 2, 4 or 6?) and I honestly can not tell how many it is ever running on. They also got rid of the Eco light so you can't use that to try and "cheat". IMO, completely transparent now.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,763
    75 Corolla---that's not a bad price. Quick, buy it and flip it for $9k.

    Tow truck---Xmas present for a CCBA member.

    Samurai---I love that cloth top! Believe it or not that one looks better than some I've seen up here. A guy at work had one who's front fenders would literally "flap" in the wind.

    Firebird---looks to be in nice condition but in 75 the 350 was so detuned I don't think it put out more than 160hp. Strictly a show car not a GO car.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    the Corolla would be a whole lot better with a stick instead of the doggish 3 speed AT. Must be a total slug.

    and having a rollback handy, that could be some serious enabling. I would need a pole barn like Andre to pull that off. Think of the mutts you could bring home!

    and I have seen the Firebird listed in the past. Does look pretty nice, other than the odd hood fitment. Most of those around here are all rotted out, so check it over carefully. But a nice crate motor, and you could have a nice fun toy.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,763
    "...other than the odd hood fitment..."

    Could that be due to removing the hood for painting? I've seen shows where the have to adjust the hood after putting it back on.

    2009 PT Cruiser, 2008 Eclipse, 1995 Mark VIII, 1988 GMC Van

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,399
    I remember browsing a Pontiac showroom in 1978 and seeing a Bandit Trans Am done up in black and gold. Looked at the msrp -- 8k -- way out of my budget !
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,105
    I got an email today from the dealer I bought my Ram from. The subject header read "Are You Ready for a New Car?"

    C'mon now, it hasn't even been four months yet, and already they're trying to seduce me?!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    they probably knew who they were dealing with.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I still get letters from Hyundai that they will offer top dollar for my 09 Genesis. If they only knew its long gone.

    Meanwhile, we have strike number one on the Buick. I noticed some oil in the driveway yesterday. I immediately crawled under the 04 Merc. Bone dry. I look under the Buick, but nothing conclusive just a little residue on the CV boot. The wife just ran out and I went to check the driveway and a nice fresh puddle of oil. At least it's under warranty.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    at least it is just a lease. so who cares, other than the stain on the driveway? Take it in, and get it fixed.

    or just use it as the excuse to trade it in!

    Did you make it to the convention center yet? Good way to see all the possible SUV options. There are a lot of them.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I have a blacktop driveway so no big deal. In all honesty I was happy it was the Buick. It won't cost me anything.

    Hoping to get there one night this week. We will be seriously looking at SUVs, no better place to see everything.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    Was not gonna, but could not pass up this first one. Of all things to find on NJ CL, this weirdo? Besides, I loved the spelling!

    http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/3559865114.html

    not the best year, but with a fresh (likely much better performing) motor, a 4 speed, and the apparent condition, not a bad deal for the $

    http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/3559842766.html

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    'Not the best year', may be the understatement of the year.. ;)

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    yeah, but that was largely due to the strangled engines. That is why I mentioned the new GM crate motor. Looks pretty de-hosed under their too, so quite possibly this particular car has "cured" the anemia problem.

    Other than that, I actually like the styling of that vintage, with the enduro style bumper covers, and the interior had not gone all star wars yet.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Ok so here is the $8000 question. The pristine Conquest or the slow Vette?

    Both could be fun in their own ways.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited January 2013
    Is it just me, or is that Corvette a plus sized model? Curvy and big boned?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    Conquest in a runaway for me. I drove a '75 Vette extensively in the mid-'80s.. No fond memories.. Don't even like the look..

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  • Traded the 08 Ody and leased a 2013 Sienna. Interior isn't as nice as the Ody but it makes up for it in power and smoothness. Can't wait to take a trip.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,599
    edited January 2013
    Yes, stick, the light-medium metallic blue. It was the launch color (all press pics and brochures feature it in that color). So far it's ok. Wife is being a bit reluctant to learn how to drive efficiently. But I drove the errands today with her riding shotgun and I think it helped showing her a couple of tricks.

    It's odd feeling to drive. You see the mph ticking up on the dash but your senses are telling you that there isn't much going on. So you are over the speed limit before you know it and it really feels like the speedometer is just lying to you. You just expect more to be happening. More sound and fury. But it never comes. No revving, no shifting, no drama at all. Just silent and instant on power.

    Well, I helped acquire 2 more cars yesterday. took my sis and BIL to Schwartz Mazda. I have to say, the outgoing mazda6 is quite nice. I think very pretty and a good size. They had a 2014 sitting on display and, yes, it seems huge.

    Anyhow, we drove a 2013 mazda6 and 2013 mazda3. She picked steel blue and he picked silver. I laid out the numbers for the salesman, he took them to GM, came back and said congrats. What a nice experience. Sis was actually a bit disappointed she didn't get to watch me beat up a salesperson again, but I wasn't. Very pleased to work with a place that knows and admits my numbers are perfectly reasonable.

    Sis was talking about driving over to Lester Glenn to rub their noses in it like the scene from pretty woman.

    As a little bonus, the salesperson is having them send me a birddog fee. Unexpected and very nice.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,889
    Congrats! On the Sienna. Hopefully you'll have better luck with it than the '08 Odyssey! Another punch for 2013. What is that, #5?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    I am much more a Conquest person than a Vette person. Or at least in my younger days. Based on my current experience with an Integra, I think I am now more of a Lexus ES person...

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    Yes anony, congrats. The Sienna seems pretty weird to me, but probably a nice family truckster.

    we just went to the car show, and my wife was so happy to be able to just walk right past all the minivans without even glancing at them!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • The Sienna seemed weird to us at first, too. Not many choices when you need a third row and don't like SUVs. We considered other vans but the only one we liked was a 2008-2010 Odyssey EX and they were still low $20's for one with decent miles. For not much more we got the Sienna with more power, warranty, and Bluetooth.

    The Quest had good reviews but we aren't sure about the CVT and new Odysseys are out for several reasons. The Sienna was the best of all worlds. Maybe we will actually finish the lease in this one.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Another punch for 2013. What is that, #5?

    Somebody needs to keep track of all this and post periodic updates.

    OK, since I'm an Ops Manager and data is my business, I'll volunteer.

    Those of you who have punched in 2013 please send year, make model and date of purchase or lease.

    Can send through this forum or can PM me (my email is in my profile).

    What other data should we track? Trade-in? Color?

    Every time there is a punch in 2013 I'll repost the whole list. Be interesting to see if a punch from early in the year is traded out before the end of the year.


    (yes, I'm looking at you, anon...)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,164
    Went bike shopping today, to the only bike dealer in the known world open Sundays. No ABS equipped Ninja 300 - there aren't any in the entire region. I wonder if there is a supply issue. I was also interested to see the new Honda CB500 series, but won't be in stock for a month or two, according to the manager. Sat on a KTM RC8 - I love that freakshow, and admired an anniversary edition GSXR. I want to wait til I see that Honda before I make a decision - but there's still a Ducati in my head.

    Also visited a MB dealer, nothing struck my fancy enough to want me to take on a car payment. The E55 continues to behave perfectly, 22mpg today which included a bit of light to light hops, continues to be smooth and powerful as ever. Both a MB salesman and the newbie bike salesman I chatted with complimented the car. Best part, it's long since paid for.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,763
    edited January 2013
    Other than that, I actually like the styling of that vintage, with the enduro style bumper covers, and the interior had not gone all star wars yet.

    My favorite is the 1973- the smooth endura nose with the twin chrome rear bumpers. The thing about Corvettes is that their collectors obsess over "matching number" cars, so you can get a good deal on a Vette that has had an engine swap- provided that it has been performed correctly, of course.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    I've reviewed the posts from the last few weeks, and this is what I've been able to piece together regarding the punches for 2013.

    Please let me know if any of my information is incorrect in any way .. steine, I can't seem to find the date you got the Cruze ....

    1/xx/13 steine13 2013 Chevrolet Cruze LS (lease)
    1/08/13 breld 2011 BMW 335xi sedan
    1/15/13 breld 2010 BMW 328xi wagon
    1/18/13 qbrozen 2013 Nissan Leaf (lease)
    1/19/13 anon 2013 Toyota Sienna (lease)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412
    I am still in awe of Breld. 2 nice BMWs in 1 week? I nearly lost my mind (and wallet..) with 3 punches in 2012, and one of those was only $2,500, and another was only about $800 net OOP!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,737
    Congrats on the new sled...sounds about perfect for your needs. I've been following you and Gee's purchases/leases over the years and have lost count...at this point I've figured about 25 cars/vans give or take! I really enjoy all your posts and all the fine vehicles over the years and I wouldn't mind any one of them in my garage! Since I've been an Edmunds member, my total has been 3 vehicles for me and 2 for my better half so I always get a kick with each new punch y'all make. This will be your 1st Toyota van...correct?

    Mazel tov with the new arrival!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • au1994au1994 Posts: 801
    I watched a good bit of coverage since last Tuesday. I found a lot to love earlier in the week as most of those were nice 'drivers' and not over restored trailer queens. I can appreciate the cars on Friday and Saturday nights but man, is the money just ridiculous.

    I've watched the coverage for years now and it has really gone downhill. To many other things going on..."social garage" etc. Just show me the cars please. I timed it and it took 20 minutes one night to show the first car on the block from the time the broadcast came on.

    And if I never hear Craig Jackson break into a bid and remind me that this is "the opportunity of a lifetime" or Steve Davis tell me this car is "the best of the best right here" it will be too soon.

    Maybe another network should pick up another auction during that weekend.

    2013 335i Sport Line Alpine White over Coral Red w/Black Trim

    2005 330cic ZHP Monaco Blue over Natural Brown w/Black Trim

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