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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    edited February 2013
    Why not just skip the TPMS sensors and save yourself the trouble? After all, you managed the vast majority of your driving life just fine without them....

    There you go; now the cost is at around $600 (or less). :D
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is that even legal? ;)

    I was shopping with my brother, visiting from Brazil, and he was telling me how his 7 year old daughter needed a new iPhone.

    Of course that meant she already had an old iPhone, and this would be her 2nd. :sick:
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    I have a question about swapping leases -- is there a way to make it waterproof for the buyer AND the seller?

    It all depends on the leasing company/manufacturer. You gotta read the fine print or ask someone in the know.

    Some companies might let you off the hook, others will hold the first leasee liable, others will only hold the 2nd leasee liable, it all depends.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    Legal? I haven't heard that it isn't, but then government is getting really good at overstepping their bounds.

    It isn't legal for manufacturers to sell cars without them, but it is not emissions-related, so what owners do with the nanny tech is up to them.

    I choose not to use it.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,296
    Don't you need a satellite phone up there around the arctic circle? :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    Hahahahaha. Actually, yes, if you get more than a few miles from the road system. :P
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,445
    The tpms has saved my butt a few times on slow leaks from punctures. I was able to refill the tire and drive to have it repaired. It's one of the few tech things I actually like.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    So I saw one of these today, and they even made a hybrid model in 2011 and 2012.

    Found a loaded one but it's all the way up in Jersey. $23k for hybrid, leather, Navi, and the huge moonroof would basically check every box on my list except being small.

    I've driven a manual/base Optima but not an auto or a hybrid. Thoughts?

    There are more Sonatas but I prefer the Kia's styling, particularly on the hybrids.

    Which non-hybrid models had the pano roof? Seems the Sonata offers both, the pano and a regular (small) moonroof, or am I seeing aftermarket stuff?
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,445
    Take a test drive --- then proceed to check pricing or not. Also check prices for similarly equipped non-hybrids and see how long it will take to make up the difference.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Looks like the Forte will not get the pano roof from the Elantra GT, bummer. Just debuted in Chicago, but it has a small roof.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,395
    edited February 2013
    I see the new Cruze diesel has launched at Chicago as well. $25k-ish with standard leather and touchscreen with apps. 42mpg highway, same as the Jetta. Really curious to see how this sells, sounds okay on the surface.

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    The Cruze are actually really nice cars. When I had ther displeasure of working at a GM dealer for a couple of days last year I tried one out. The materials and construction feels solid and they're a well put together package.

    The unfortunate thing is they'll depreciate like crazy and are a hard sell when priced new almost the same as Civics, Mazda3's and Elantras. But it's a GM car I actually like.

    There was one at the public auction recently, a loaded 2011 Cruze with manual tranny with only 10 thousand or so kilometers on the odo. I believe it sold for $11-$12k. New ones stickered at about $22k iirc.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We are discussing in both the GM and the Diesel threads.

    $26 plus with freight is ambitious, but leather and 17" alloys come standard, and GM covers the powertrain for 100k, plus 2 years free service.

    The bad? Price, timing belt, and it loses almost 15hp vs the euro tune of that engine to meet CARB. Auto only, no stick.

    It does run on B20.

    Bet these hold their value better than the gas models do.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,217
    "Bet these hold their value better than the gas models do."

    I bet so, too. People pay insane money for used VW TDIs, especially when gas prices spike. Note that GM's powertrain warranty is 5 years/100k as opposed to Hyundai/Kia's 10 year/100k plan. I think GM's warranty will transfer if you sell the car, while Hyundai/Kia's won't.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, you only get the 5/60 portion of the warranty if you buy a used Hyundai or Kia, and that would affect me.

    Of course, $23k for a 2 year old car that cost low $30s new sort of reflects that in the price. The used one only has 3 years left on the warranty, vs. 10 for new.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,653
    I bet so, too. People pay insane money for used VW TDIs

    I can verify that fact. I sold my '00 TDI a year and a half after I bought it new and sold it for only $3k less than I paid for it with over 35k miles. I had people contacting me from all over country. At that time a new one was going for over sticker.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    New Spark by sandman_6472
    Feb 08, 2013 (8:21 pm)
    Drove in a small caravan of new Spark's from Lauderdale airport to a Hertz in Clearwater today and for what it is, it's not bad at all! It drove respectfully though it is a little noisy in the cabin from the overworked engine but once up around cruising speed, 70, it quieted down some. Wish the seat fabric was a bit more grippy and softer like the Kia Rio and the Hyundai Accent but at this price point one can overlook this shortcoming. The dash was interesting and tilted with the steering wheel and it looks like it was taken off a motorcycle. It was pretty basic inside though these models had cruise and Sirius/XM, a very nice touch indeed! It made the long drive pleasant but we had to put in a few bucks of petrol just to reach our destination. Granted with 6 miles on the clock, the engine is brand new and not seated properly so getting optimal mileage numbers isn't going to happen but still, those last few bars disappeared rather quickly. The sheet metal is a bit interesting but since these are made just for the rental fleet, it doesn't really matter. The car felt a bit wobbly on the highway but that could be due to improper tire inflation and nothing with the car itself as it did ride on 195/55/15 rubber. One knows that this is a small econocar by just opening the doors but it has all the basics needed plus the above mentioned extra goodies that people who rent require.
    Overall, Chevy did a respectable job with this small rental fare vehicle, most folks want a low priced rental and this car definitely fits the bill here. Not as primitive as a Flintstone car but no one will expect Lexus quality ride and switchgear at this bargain price...it hits it's stated target with an almost bulls eye! Chevy and GM...ya done good here!

    The Sandman

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    Go to Ebay and look there. I did that back in'07 and got rims from a '05 Civic SI for my '06 LX and they were in pretty good condition. I paid a very reasonable price for them, as there was a small section of curb rash on one of them. Since they were Honda oem equipment, I knew the fitment would be perfect...and it was. Got some new lugs and brought them to my mechanic where I had them shipped. Transformed the looks of the car and make it a bit distinct looking. I'm pleased every day still even though the wife thought I was insane. Still have the old steelies and bolt on covers in the garage so if I ever do sell it, they can go with the car.

    Ebay is the perfect place to look. Took me less than a wek to find exactly what I was looking for and the seller was excellent to deal with.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    Thinking I should upgrade to a smart phone soon. Yesterday's trip to Clearwater was an adventure as we were given wrong directions to begin with. We were going to a Hertz store in town and not an airport site but we'd never been to this particular store before. The directions were wrong and the new Spark got down to 2 bars so stopping for petrol was happening. Got off to put some in and got back on 275 but the exit number I was looking for didn't exist...ended up in downtown Tampa. Called the boss and eventually got turned around and while keeping our cells on, I eventually got to the site. Naturally I was dead last and the rest of the crew was waiting on my sorry [non-permissible content removed]. After some ribbing, we were off back to Lauderdale. Having a smart phone would have made it possible to plug in the address so the gps could get me to the correct address. A Garmin unit would also work, but they are a bit bulky and I think a smart phone is the better alternative. Seems like they are the future in communication so why not do it now. Couldn't part of the cost be a tax write off also? need to ask the wife about that.
    Nothing on tap for the weekend...as of right now. But that could change!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You can get low cost Navi on the screen by installing an app on your smart phone. Cheap, cheap.

    My kids liked it but it is a bit toy like for me. The Sonic feels more like a real car.

    Thanks for the eBay tip, will look.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hmm only one set, no tires and no TPMS.

    That would be a hassle. I will keep looking though.

    I should place and ad there for a swap.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    It took me a couple of weeks way back in 2007 to find the perfect set of Honda rims, I also looked at Acura wheels in the same size, 16", as I knew they had the same offset and would fit Honda products, same company really. Once I found the set I wanted, I just bid and finally won. It was the 1st time I ever did Ebay and online buying and made a mistake or two, like bidding against myself, duh! But with the help of some friends, I got what I wanted at a ridiculously fair price, as I was prepared to pay double for a nice set of rims. Didn't want to go after market as I had many many problems when I bought after market years ago as a local shop...they had a rough time to make things fit and then cure a vibration issue. After numerous attempts, things were smoothed out but it was costly and time consuming!

    That's why I think it's best to get manufacturers brand and never, I repeat never do a plus 1 or plus 2...could be nightmarish! I really wanted to go to a 60 or 65 series tire for the greater sidewall and smoother ride but decided to keep it stock as I had rubbing issues with the other vehicle I talked about earlier...just not worth it. The extra $ is one thing but the added aggravation just takes all the pleasure away. My next vehicle is going to have alloys as original equipment and hopefully a power drivers chair. Not sure if the Elantra can be equipped with the power seat but will have to see. Right now, that model is in the lead for my next vehicle. Anxious to test the new Kia Forte and Buick Verano. The one I sat in at the Buick store was so comfortable though a bit pricey. I think it's the same size as the Elantra and my current Civic which is as big as I'd go. Handling is going to be the deciding factor here as I will probably spend the extra $ if the vehicle is that good. Spending a little bit more on something that will be kept for about 10 or so years is not a big price to pay. I no longer choose to settle just to save a few bucks especially at my age! And I deserve what I want this time!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    It's really hard to tell how a seat is going to fit you in a 15 minute test drive. You have the perfect setup for testing seats over a couple of hours. Being able to compare with a lot of other cars is just gravy.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,631
    I agree about being leery of aftermarket wheels. Some are fine (and probably better quality than OEM), but there are a lot of cheap ones that are, well, crap.

    Plus 1 is fine, as long as it was an OEM fitment. On the civic, there was usually a base model with smaller rims, so if you are just going from say LX to EX, no problem.

    same on the Accord. The 4 cyl had 16", and the V6 had 17", so no issues fitting those 17" ones.

    just make sure to check the overall diameter.

    http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,445
    I've done a lot of seat testing lately. First thing I check is the degree of bolstering on the seat back and bottom. VW GTI was the worst for me -- way too narrow and firm. Too bad because I would have likely bought one. All the euro brands except Volvo [BMW & MB] were teutonic firm and stiff. Probably better for long hauls but they just didn't feel right. The LaCrosse was my favorite -- not much bolstering, supple leather, and medium soft. Didn't check Acura or Lexus -- once I test drove the Buick I was hooked.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,079
    You can get a pretty nice garmin for $100. Even if a smart phone is free, that's only 2 months of service charges for the same amount.

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    Absolutely, and I'm finding some more comfortable that others. Must say the Spark I drove yesterday was surprisingly good. When I got to the meeting place just before the Sunshine State bridge, I had no problem getting out or even walking around the rest stop. We all meet here and cross the bridge in a caravan and then into the airport. Yesterday was unusual because we were going to a regular Hertz location that no one had been to before. The guys who had their gps through their smart phones or regular units got there with no hassle. Since we all had the wrong driving directions and exit numbers, I who had no device for help, got utterly lost and had to get on and off the expressway. Stopped at a tire store and turns out I was going he right way. Without my cell and the boss literally talking me in, I would have had major problems. Luckily the car charger from Amazon came in a few days ago so I was able to plug it in and keep phone contact. In the future, i will make sure to either have a smart phone or follow someone else...I can keep up if the traffic is cooperating.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I've used that tool quite a lot,

    Did some research and while the stock size is 205/45R17, apparently the SUV-like fender gap allows for much taller tires, up to 215/65 on the same rims.

    That's a little nuts, and the odometer would be way off, too. 65 are what my minivan takes, too.

    I might go with a far more reasonable 215/50 though. They're about 5% over but add about a half inch of sidewall. And you can get high performance tires in that size.

    So I think I will do that. I have some tread left, but if that slow leak I had a while ago comes back it would be the perfect excuse for new tires.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    edited February 2013
    My sister had an '00 New Beetle for seven years or so. When I first rode in it from VA to TN I was afraid how the trip was going to go because the seats were so firm. But they were very comfy the whole way (about a 9 hour trip).

    It helps being "average" size too. My Outback bothers me after a couple of hours, but most cars don't.

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,853
    edited February 2013
    I guess it's all what you are used to; I have BMW sport seats in my 3 Series , Recaros in my 2002, and Mazda "sport" seats in my 2007 MS3. I prefer any of those to the standard seats in the X3 or 328i- not that they are uncomfortable, but I like substantial side bolsters. Having said all that, the seats in my 1999 Wrangler Sahara are very comfortable for cruising- even for a 1-2 hour stretch. No side bolsters, but then I'm not going to be pulling many lateral gs in it either.
    Mazda softened up the seats in the 2010 MS3 and I don't like them at all; the leather seats in the Abarth I drove were also very nice.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

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