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VW Jetta TDI

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  • I am on a waiting list for a 2009 TDI Sedan to replace a 1998 vehicle. I also own a 2006 Honda Civic Sedan. I have had several Honda products over the years. All have been very reliable, until now.

    In 36,000 miles (now out of warranty), the Civic has been in the shop to have both visors replaced. The originals split due to summertime heat. A rear shock failed, leaking fluid, which was replaced under warranty. The belt tensioner failed, which ripped up the belt. Fortunately, I was close enough to a Honda dealer to limp into their service garage just as the belt came apart, while making a horrendous noise. I am sure the noise alone surprised many customers visiting the lot. They just couldn't believe a fairly new Honda would make that kind of noise. It was repaired under a technical service bulletin. The sealing surface on the moonroof has to be lubricated constantly to keep it from squeaking. I am afraid that if I forget to lubricate it, it is going to fail soon. Fortunately, it gets loud enough even with the moonroof visor closed to remind me to lubricate it.

    I also have a friend that has a new Honda S2000. It has already been in the shop for a fuel system problem.

    I cannot complain too much. My Civic averages 38 mpg in all-around driving, but the build quality is not definitely there. I am wondering what else is going to fail now that the warranty is gone. I am glad that it doesn't seem to difficult to work on it.

    I can't wait to get the TDI because the build quality seems to be pretty good. I also have talked with several people that have owned earlier TDI models. None complained of reliability issues.
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    No way' Read Consumers reports and look at J.D. Powers statistics on VW and Honda reliability & durability. Honda is head & soulders ahead of VW; plus, you aren't faced with $700. - $800. timing belt replacement with the Honda's. Look at the VW vs Honda blogs on Edmunds & compare the durability/reliability issues being discussed.

    I'm not anti VW. I almost bought an 06 TDI, The sales Mgr. wouldn't discuss service costs, so I called the backshop: Belt reolacement - $795.00. 100K service - $1200. I'd love to have a Passat to drive (55,000 miles a year) but I can't justify it because of the documented reliability &durability problems. They're making progress; but they're a long, long way from matching. Honda & toyota.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    In my years as an auto mechanic we regarded VW as a "throw away" car and the Honda as infinitely repairable.

    VW has come a long ways since the Rabbit and Dasher days. Of course if you are talking about the old Bug, it is more repairable than any Honda on the road for a lot less money. I think if you look through the AutoTrader and eBay you will find a lot more old VWs still running from the late 70s and early 80s than Hondas. They were a disaster when I bought my new 1978 Accord. I would have bought a Dasher Diesel Wagon if there was not a years waiting list to get one.

    As ruking has pointed out working on any car today is highly technical. I know the VW store in Portland that I bought my Passat TDI from had just lost their top technician to another dealer. He wanted more than the $150k he was making at the VW Buick dealership. I too lament the days that tearing into my car was much simpler. I do not think any car today is meant by the manufacturer to go for 20+ years as in the "Good old days". We live in a throwaway society. Honda is just as much a part of that grand plan as all the other automakers.

    From 1976 to 1981 eBay has 6 total Hondas listed and 46 VWs. So longevity is not the realm that Honda dwells in. I would still take a 1978 Dasher diesel over a Honda Accord. In fact how many Hondas from 1979 and before can you find that are over $10,000? There are a bunch of VWs. Sounds to me like the VWs are "infinitely repairable". While Hondas just rust into oblivion.

    For those that live in the rust belts of America the VW Jetta TDI has the best rust warranty in the biz. The only ones that fantasize are those that believe in the tooth fairy and a world without diesel engines. Not in any of our lifetimes.
  • Anyone actually claiming that VW is better than Honda is terms of quality, reliability or durability is either drunk or high. Seriously.

    They are leagues apart. I've never heard more or read more horror stories, nor known more people personally, with issues, than those who own VWs.

    And I'm considering buying a VW !!! I'm doing so knowing it may well turn out to be a huge mistake, and am prepared to sell it once the warranty is up if it is.
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    Lessen people, this is not a contest between Honda and VW; Honda has a lot of followers, and has reputation for reliability in USA for a reason, people tested it over the years, they last past the 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance. And as I stated before all manufacturers have catch-up with Honda in this area and other areas. But the fact that bad reputation is difficult to erase quickly, in any field; it's going to be tough to convince american buyers. On the other hand VW has a good reputation in Europe, they last forever with minimal maintenance; but the fact that the gasoline Jetta we get in the states are built in Mexico with poor Quality in assembly line, poor or lack of training for technician, etc. But the JETTA diesel we get in USA is built in Germany, that is why some people that bought it in USA have a good experience driving the Jetta diesel for over 200K miles with minimal maintenance. VW knew about this quality problem, but they could not do a lot to fix the problem, they have to cut cost at all prices, but I guess whoever in charge does not understand the economy, they needed to send Mexican technicians to Germany for training, instead they send trainer to Mexico for a short 2 weeks training. VW is number one in Europe for a reason, they take their jobs seriousely, no joke. But they need to build factories here in USA, if they want to target this market, otherwise they are going to loose big time.
  • drvsalotdrvsalot Posts: 7
    what technical service bulletin? does it cover anythng besides the civic. i have an 03 odyssey that i was just told that mine is weak causing a sqeaking noise. i have a friend with an 04 odyssey that has the same thing happening and another aquaintence that has had one replaced.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Anyone actually claiming that VW is better than Honda is terms of quality, reliability or durability is either drunk or high. Seriously.

    I'll agree on average, the Honda is likely more reliabile. But look at consumer reports, JD Powers etc. The difference between the most reliable vehicles and the least reliable vehicles is within a couple problems over 3 years. Big deal.

    Quality? Depends on what you're talking about. Generally I'd say this goes to VW by quite a margin. My '00 Jetta would give an '07 Civic a run for its money in terms of materials, build quality, etc.

    Durability? I dunno, my experience with Honda is they're a bit fragile. I ran the snot out of my TDI and never had a mechanical issue to speak of. I did break the glove box and heated mirror knob. Of course Honda wasn't putting heated mirrors on their civics back in '00 so I guess what it doesn't have...can't break!

    My Odyssey has had far more repairs in 36k miles than my Jetta did in 180k. Does that mean Hondas are junk? No way, but I've never bought in that these reliability numbers amount to serious differences. Read the Honda forums and it would appear the only way you can get ridiculous mileage is to maintain the living crap out of them? Do the Honda manuals call for 3k mile oil changes or 15k mile tranny fluid changes? No, but I'm amazed (no....flabbergasted) at the maintenance routines many of these life-long Honda fans seem to feel is prudent if you really want the car to last. I guess that's why you see Chevys with a million miles in the news and the guy always says he maintained the thing like crazy.... I run the living snot out of most of my vehicles and maintain them according to the manual. So far my vote for what can take abuse is Toyota and VW. So far the Odyssey has been pretty fragile.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    WAY !! I have read CR and JD Powers. I even own a Civic and TDI side by side !! TB/WP are due on BOTH (03 TDI, 04 Civic). Tires for the VW TDI last 86% LONGER !! I have to say that both have been utterly reliable at the same mileage.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    "Anyone actually claiming that VW is better than Honda is terms of quality, reliability or durability is either drunk or high. Seriously. "

    I am neither.
  • scottinkyscottinky Posts: 194
    I now have both in my garage, 08 Odyssey and 08 Jetta SE. Both are too new to offer a reliability opinion. However, I am keeping my fingers crossed they only require 5K oil changes (honda) once or twice a year. In terms of build, the Jetta kills the Odyssey in materials and assembly. This US built Odyssey has more rattles and noise, and it feels cheap. Honda has also had their fare share of transmission issues over the past few years as well. That said, the powertrain is silky smooth and much more refined than the 2.5 in the Jetta. The Jetta's materials and ride quality are superb. It is quiet on the road, switch gear and seats are excellent, as is the night time interior lighting. It has many more unique features than any Honda at is price. I really would have a hard time having another US built Honda. My Japanese 2003 Nissan Pathfinder was as durable as they come. I wish I would have kept it, but the van is a MUCH more versatile family hauler.
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    Read post #2062; as I mentioned before, the reliability between Honda and VW is limited to a minor problems. For VW is the electrical system that create more problems to owners, like the switch that fail for windows motor, the switch for the outside mirrors, the check engine that come on because of faulty canister, this is part of the emission system. For Honda the problems are limited to rattling because of cheap plastic used to cut cost, noisy cabin at highway speed if the engine is an I4 with displacement bellow 2.0L, the brakes rotors have tendency to fade quickly, or create a vibration in steering wheel during braking. VW has a good quality material inside the cabin, but they have tendency to smell like hell after one year of use, I think the rubber and carpet used is of poor quality, it smells like a wet dog inside the cabin due to an extreme condensation, and because of good insulation. Honda in the past 5 years they start cutting cost by using poor quality material, because they know they can do it; they build up a big reputation, I never talked to anybody about Honda and said it’s a piece of junk. But again, lately a few people start complaining about quality problem in Honda product, like the problem with 2004, 2005, 2006 transmission problems in the Odyssey minivan. All car Manufactures are coming up with good quality cars, Their engines last for long time, the only thing that consumer need to take in consideration is the resale value of the vehicle and the premium paid up front, and of course the size of the vehicle they need.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    Indeed my swag (on the Honda) the auto transmission will go before the engine. When it does almost all anecdotal and research information says a min of 1500 to 2,500 for repairs. Needless to say I hope it lasts far longer. At 40,000 miles, I have had to have an alignment vs not needing it on the VW @ app 104,000 miles!! Indeed it could have gone to 200,000 miles easily. I also think (measured actually) the brake pads and rotors, to go way before on the Honda. On the VW @ 109,000 miles, the front/rear pads are not even close to half worn. I swag the Honda's struts and shocks will need changing far earlier than the VW TDI. The paint job is not near the quality of the VW. I could go on and on.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    For Honda the problems are limited to rattling because of cheap plastic used to cut cost, noisy cabin at highway speed if the engine is an I4 with displacement bellow 2.0L, the brakes rotors have tendency to fade quickly, or create a vibration in steering wheel during braking.

    Quit it, I cannot stop laughing. You would drive a car that has rattles, noisy at speed and has marginal brakes?

    I test drove a Yaris. It was noisy by my standards making it a no way purchase. The little POC econoboxes being sold to save a little gas are crazy. When you can buy a solid, great handling car that gets great mileage, money should be the only factor.

    I understand if you cannot afford the VW Jetta TDI. Then go for a little POC Hondas. I am not at all impressed with our Pastor's 07 Honda Civic. I make every excuse to drive our 1990 LS400 or Sequoia when we all go someplace. I am not into sardine can transportation.

    You keep mentioning the window switches on the VW Jetta. My understanding is VW repaired those at no cost long after the warranty was up. As far as timing belts, my 2007 Toyota Sequoia requires a belt change at 90K I believe it is. Not that I will ever put 90k on the vehicle.

    If you buy a VW Jetta with the gas engine it makes little sense to me. They do not get great mileage. I guess you still get the great driving experience for less money. It never occurred to me to own one.
  • jkinzeljkinzel Posts: 735
    I wrote an email to VWAG basically saying they need to put a thumb on their dealers as they are asking $5K over MSRP. The response is below;

    Welcome to the Volkswagen website. We appreciate your comments and they
    have been noted.

    Volkswagen dealerships are empowered to create policies and procedures
    suitable for their business needs, therefore, pricing, availability, and
    policies may vary. We offer the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices
    as such. The final, negotiated price is ultimately determined between
    the customer and Volkswagen dealer.

    Also spoke with a VW dealer in Bremerton, WA. All of the 2009 allotment of TDI’s have been pre sold or spoken for.

    Maybe this time next year.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    I would not let that be the last effort, especially if you are still interested. Anymore, affinity groups have led to buying cars from dealers in different states. I worked with a broker that happened to be a GM products dealership and got an 03 VW TDI. Put the word out.
  • My G-D!!! You guys are delusional!!! If you have a VW that has been problem free, consider yourself the exception, and not the rule. It's just the opposite for Honda.

    If you want the bare truth on reliability, go to the 2008 Consumer Reports Buying Guide, which is based on over a quarter of a million surveys, and look at the difference between ALL COMPONENTS of Honda versus Volkswagen.

    They break it down by engine, transmission, suspension, trim, heating and cooling systems, fuel systems, etc., etc.

    Honda is all top notch, even 6 and 7 year old Hondas! Volkswagen quality disintegrates after the first year!!! Even 5 year old Hondas are far more reliable than one year old VWs!!!

    I mean, please, be even somewhat realistic. Like I said, I am considering purchasing a VW, because they have more character than Honda, but I also know it's a truly risky proposition given VWs inability to reign in their quality control issues. It's not just electrical problems, not by a long stretch.

    www.myvwlemon.com :lemon:
  • malmouzamalmouza Posts: 141
    Look man, no matter what you said HONDA sell more cars in USA than VW. HONDA reputation in USA far exceed VW. Not all these people are wrong and you're the smart person who all figure it out. Diesel is good but it is not a good choice at this time, because the gap is widening between gas and diesel. Read post # 2008. The numbers prove that buying diesel in the future does not make any financial sense; unless you’re one of those people that are saying Biodiesel is going to be cheap, once they come up with a way to extract it cheaply.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    If you want the bare truth on reliability, go to the 2008 Consumer Reports Buying Guide, which is based on over a quarter of a million surveys

    I for one would NEVER buy a car recommended by CR on purpose. Their recommendations are based on surveys of their subscription holders. Get the picture? Who subscribes to CR? Just those people that like their reports. Mostly Japanese car buyers. Honda had a good run in the 1990s. They are still living off that reputation. They have not done as well the last several years. You like Honda buy em. That is what they are here for. I personally am not considering it.

    I am not trying to say that VW has some kind of stellar record for reliability. I am saying if you have driven a VW then a Honda you know why some folks like the VW better. They feel solid on the road. They are quiet and they stop VERY well. I loved driving my VW Passat TDI Wagon. I some times wonder if I should have kept it. Greed for profit makes me do crazy things. If it was 3 inches higher from the ground I would have kept it. I just like a higher vehicle for getting in and out of and not worrying about driving off a curb.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    If all you care about it getting from home to work you are better off with a Fit or Yaris. I personally like driving through the hills on windy roads. There the VW diesels excel. I would not be able to stand listening to a little gas 4 banger screaming up Interstate 8 at 70 MPH. My diesels all pull those long grades in high gear. Diesel will have to go a LOT higher to be a bad deal. You like our ethanol laced gas, that is fine with me. It is your money you are throwing away.

    HONDA sell more cars in USA than VW

    I guess that means that Toyota, GM and Ford are all better than Honda as they sell more vehicles. VW sells more than BMW, Porsche and MB, so what is your point?

    I don't think that biodiesel will be as cheap as fossil diesel until Oil supplies start to diminish. It is an alternative for the future.
  • gagrice said: I for one would NEVER buy a car recommended by CR on purpose. Their recommendations are based on surveys of their subscription holders. Get the picture? Who subscribes to CR? Just those people that like their reports. Mostly Japanese car buyers. Honda had a good run in the 1990s. They are still living off that reputation. They have not done as well the last several years. You like Honda buy em. That is what they are here for. I personally am not considering it.

    I am not trying to say that VW has some kind of stellar record for reliability. I am saying if you have driven a VW then a Honda you know why some folks like the VW better. They feel solid on the road. They are quiet and they stop VERY well. I loved driving my VW Passat TDI Wagon. I some times wonder if I should have kept it. Greed for profit makes me do crazy things. If it was 3 inches higher from the ground I would have kept it. I just like a higher vehicle for getting in and out of and not worrying about driving off a curb.


    I am considering a VW because I AGREE WITH YOU - VW's drive better than Honda's. They're more solid, teutonic and quieter.

    But there is no way in hades I believe that VW is even close to Honda in terms of trouble free, reliable ownership experience. Honda is far more reliable. And Consumer Reports IS a solid foundation of reliability information, IMO.

    Like I said, is there a chance that a person can get a problematic Honda, while another gets a trouble-free VW? Sure. But statistically speaking, the opposite is much, much, much more likely.

    There is nothing I hate worse than problems with a car - especially repeated problems. It saps any confidence one has in their vehicle, and sucks the life out of the ownership experience more than anything else.
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