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VW Jetta TDI



  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Have you had a chance to drive the Jetta on snow and ice? If so how would you rate the handling compared to your Liberty? I would assume the Liberty is better in deep snow.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    There is no way I would buy that vehicle.

    -Completely unknown maintenance history.
    -No-name used car lot lacking grasp of English language (Deasil ???)
    -Likely an auction car
    -No warranty
    -Buy-it-now price is likely close to reserve.

    I've seen a couple VERY nice private party cars with known maintenance history sell for similar coin. A couple had lower mileage than this one. These '06 models are starting to come around to reasonable cost on the resale market. Considering you can pickup a brand new '09 for around $20,000....I'd have a very hard time buying a used one, particularly with an unknown past.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Buying any used vehicle in this day and age without a complete title & maintenance history with factory warranty left is scary. Any vehicle like that would have to be dirt cheap. A friend just went to trade in his Altima that he bought used with a clean title here in CA. Only to find out it was totalled before he bought it. Extensive repairs that diminish the resale or trade value. Buyer beware!
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    Yes this deal would have to be a big leap of faith.

    From the CarFAx details, the only maintence record is the wash job at 88681 miles just before it was sold at a dealer auction.

    It is recorded as a one owner vehicle, but I guess he/she is long gone and any service records too.
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    Yeah, I did Gagrice. Last winter I drove it in 4-5 inches of kinda wet fresh snow. The combination of front wheel drive diesel, ESP and Nokian WRs on the Jetta is impressive. I drove the Jeep on a couple of trips when I knew there was going to be snow only to find out later that the Jetta would have been fine with maybe a little better feel and control on the slick stuff. I could maybe relax more and rely on the Jetta electronics. The antilock brakes seem the same.

    In the Jeep, we got caught in a blizzard with bumper deep fresh powder that was drifted half way up the radiator at times - plugged the radiator with snow almost to the top on one side. I believe the diesel engine kept us going when a gasser might not have, because the power is so steady. All I had to do was hold the pedal and concentrate on steering.

    I have driven the Jeep in the Ozarks with 4-5 inches of snow on the road and had no trouble driving around front wheel drive cars that were stuck on hills. I may be delusional, but I think the Jetta TDI with good snow tires would go right up those hills. I think I would put money on it. Of course when there is an ice storm in the Ozarks nothing goes anywhere without chains or studs until the salt and gravel trucks get out.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    The Nokian WRs are awesome tires... I had a set on my CR-V. It's the only all-season tire that is truly suitable for snow travel.

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  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    Does anyone know if you can get steering wheel mounted audio controls on the TDI SportWagen like that are on the TDI sedan? Can they be added after market? You would think that the radio and wiring are the same.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    Nokian WRs are fantastic tires.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    yes, my '00 went like a tank with the WR's and I didn't have all the fancy traction control stuff either. Still handled pretty good in the dry too. Only problem with the Jetta was it sat pretty low to the ground, so deep stuff could get hairy. We ran Blizzaks on our Odyssey this winter and it wasn't anywhere near as good in the snow.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Only one little obscure tire store in San Diego sells Nokian tires. Then I think the last snow was about 30 years ago.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    mike, take a number, if you read the owner reviews on the new VW Sportwagons, no steering wheel controls is about all everyone is complaining about.

    Considering that the SW, costs a premium price over the Sedan, I think VW dropped the ball on this one.

    To retro a Jetta Steering Wheel with the audio controls onto a SW would probably involve a different wiring harness right to the computer as those buttons are also linked to the muti function trip display as well as the bluetooth conections.

    I know it sucks that VW didn't think SW owners would want those controls, but it might be easier to install a new radio that uses a hand held remote to tune and volume.

    When I changed the head unit in my Honda Odyssey I lost the steering wheel controls as well, but the little remote that sits in a cup holder runs all the functions just as well, including 'power off and on'.

    But still...... :mad:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I thought that was standard on anything above a stripped Yaris. My 2005 Passat TDI had all the controls on the steering wheel. That and no leather would be hard for me to accept. Does it have XM or Sirius and a CD changer? Looking at the VW website it looks like they worried more about wheels and bling than the important stuff on the interior. I would rather have the Audi Allroad Quattro with the same engine that is being sold in 1st World countries. I got the local Audi dealer all fired up looking for them. Of course he tried selling me everything on his lot. I don't really like the looks of the Q5 or Q7. I may test drive the Q7 TDI that is in stock now. I like the Touareg TDI somewhat better. A little smaller which I can live with.
  • mortalmortal Posts: 1
    Howdy folks,

    I've recently become interested in the new tdi engines that vw is putting in some of it's new models.

    I was on car and driver earlier, and I noticed that the 'passing acceleration' for the tdi was astonishingly quick. Volkswagen+Jetta+TDI.pdf

    "50-70 6 seconds"

    Now, I understand diesels enjoy an advantage at highway speeds due to the amount of torque they produce at lower rpms. However, this number is faster than a honda fit, gti, a mini cooper s, miata, etc virtually every thing else on my shopping list (in terms of passing power).

    While I believe it would be reasonibly fast, certainly faster than the honda fit (which did the same test in ~12 seconds), I find it very hard to believe that it is faster than the others. I believe they must have gotten the math wrong. For example, if you look at the test sheet, and you compare the 50mph time with the 70mph time you get 5.1s, not the 6 seconds they claim.

    Does anyone have any other sources that provide a 40-70 ish number?
  • fho2008fho2008 Posts: 393
    I did drive a TDI and I know its slower in the 1/4 mile by 2 seconds I think, compared to the gas turbo 4, it did not feel slow at all. Love that torque!
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    Even after 125,000 miles, it still amazes me to pass V8's (heading UP) @ altitudes of 3,000 to 7,000 ft. !!!
  • jim314jim314 Posts: 491
    Engine power (hp pr kw) to weight ratio is what determines max acceleration whether on level ground or up a hill. The transmission can change torque, but not power.

    A Jetta TDI can pass a naturally aspirated V8 if the Jetta driver puts the pedal to the floor and the V8 driver doesn't care to contest the matter. Or if the V8 is powered car is relatively heavy.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    Yes, passing-performance of the TDI is impressive. In-fact, you could race from stoplight-to-stoplight with a TDI and STILL burn less fuel than any other car beside you.

    Are you really basing your vehicle-choice on this type of stastistic?

    Example, I *really* like the fact that VW automaticlly locks all the doors once you are moving. But my Subaru Baja does not do this and I end up driving around with the doors unlocked. Do I like the Subaru less than the VW.... no!

    I like the 56MPG of my TDI and the accellaration of the turbocharged subaru engine.

    The VW handles FAR better than Subaru : VW rides better than VW.

    VW radio and power-windows work with key turned off : Subaru does not do this.

    VW can lower/raise all windows FROM OUTSIDE CAR : Subaru does not do this

    Subaru has AWD and excells in the snow : VW is adequate in the snow with ESP, ADR and EDL.

    VW is more refined with featuers not found in other vehicles. This is one reason we have 3 VWs in the family.

    If Subaru offered the Baja as a Diesel, I would own one in a hearbeat... but they dont.

    Every vehicle has its up/down side and it is often difficult to make a choice when they are all considerd. Test drive what you want and chose what you personally like. Good Luck.
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    I believe they must have gotten the math wrong. For example, if you look at the test sheet, and you compare the 50mph time with the 70mph time you get 5.1s, not the 6 seconds they claim.

    The passing interval measure includes transition time between steady speed and acceleration.
  • fgbraultfgbrault Posts: 1
    I think the Car & Driver numbers for the TDI are what they got in their test and not a mistake.

    Two thoughts. The TDI was tested with the automatic DSG transmission. I think when passing tests are done they are in auto mode with the transmission downshifting. When testing a car with a manual transmission they use top gear with no downshifting and the time is much, much slower than if they had tested an automatic.

    Also, the time from from one MPH to another MPH in the acceleration tests from a stop will be less. For example the differential from 50 to 70 MPH from the 0-50 and 0-70 tests will be less than for the 50-70 MPH passing test, even for a automatic, as you start from a steady 50MPH, rather than being already accelerating.

    I think on the passing times you should compare the TDI only with other tested cars that had automatic.
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    Passing time is measured in the same gears through the interval (50 – 70) as the vehicle would be in during an all out acceleration run. It doesn’t matter whether it is a stick or an auto the downshift is made to the optimal gear. The difference in time is simply the transition time between steady speed and all out acceleration.

    Passing times have always been a measure of the quickest pass possible, else it would make no sense to do the measurement. If it's a stick or tiptronic you would gear down in anticipation of passing and punch it. Without a shiftable auto you would just punch it.

    The clock is started when the engine is throttled up. It takes time for the turbo and fuel system to ramp up, even a gasser w/o turbo. Extreme engines are built to have very little transition time - TDIs not so much. ;)
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