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VW Jetta TDI

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  • gfr1gfr1 Posts: 55
    siberia -- Test results, such as "50 to 70" are dictated by the tester, but generally specified. If you read the test parameters, you will likely find the procedures of the test. And, "fgbreult" is correct and you -- in-correct. That particular speed test is normally done from top gear steady speed cruise, with no manipulation of clutch/transmission allowed. If you have an auto trans., it will normally downshift. If you have a manual, it is staying in the top gear, unless it has an overdrive drop-down and I don't think there are any of those around these days. That's why this test with a manual is always much slower accelerating than a auto. -- gfr
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    You are correct. Thank you for the correction:

    http://www.caranddriver.com:80/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/performance_fi- les_tested_by_c_d/how_does_c_d_test_cars_feature+t-acceleration_and_braking+page- -2.html

    We also perform two acceleration tests, from 30 to 50 mph and from 50 to 70, in a vehicle's highest gear. In vehicles with manual transmissions, this test measures how well a car's gearing matches the torque curve of its engine. With automatics, the test begins in top gear and then the car downshifts automatically under hard acceleration. This provides information about transmission responsiveness and actual passing times, but any comparison of results between manuals and automatics is meaningless.

    Just one more in a life-long series of embarrassments. :blush:
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    ..."Just one more in a life-long series of embarrassments"...

    FAR better than pressing an untenable position !! It of course does wonders for the credibility !! So for my .02 cents, I salute you. :shades:

    My own take is an article like this should be required reading to at least be able to judge the significance of the tests AND probably more importantly its application in folks' own driving needs/styles/etc., etc., etc.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,677
    In my driving experience the 30-50 and 50-70 MPH times are much more important than 0-60 MPH. Accelerating to get past a big truck or slow car is a daily occurrence on our Interstate highways. I cannot remember the last time I accelerated from 0-60 MPH. These are both areas the diesel engines have it over most gas engines. Especially little 4 cylinder gassers.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    I have never seen the real life "PRACTICAL" passing measurement: 10-12 seconds in any car magazine!!!

    Most folks do this as a matter of real life driving, but if you are wondering what I am talking about it is a cluelessness that can get you killed in the worst case or keep you unconscienously fear full.

    So let me ask the question how long does it take one to normally pass another vehicle going in the same direction. (ON a two lane road with YOU going in the opposite directions lane of travel-under "ideal conditions" ) AND someone coming @ YOU?
  • beetee3beetee3 Posts: 2
    I just heard that the 2010 Jetta is getting a body redesign. Anyone have any idea of what the changes are or where the new model can be seen.

    Thanks
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    This link should be clear (as mud)!?

    link title
  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    I'm thinking of getting a 2009 Jetta TDI and I wanted to know what the difference is between the Jetta TDI and Jetta TDI Loyal Edition? It looks like there's only about a $150 difference between the two.
  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    When do you think VW will bring out the 2010's?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    Judging by a few made dates on the door posts, they are made the June before the next model year. So the 2010 MYproduction starts in June 2009. What drives the gate keepers is anybody's guess.

    The differences between the loyal and the regular can be searched in www.edmunds.com.

    I remember that I thought it was a good deal, if you wanted all the extra stuff the loyal came with; that would cost more if you had to option it out on the standard. As I remember the loyal came in 1 max 2 colors. Again just fine if you happened to like those color choices.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    Mike, it seems that the Loyal Edition is pretty much the same as the regular TDI except for this.....

    "The Jetta TDI sedan is equipped similar to the SEL sedan, but comes with 16-inch alloy wheels and doesn't have a sunroof. A special edition known as the TDI Loyal adds premium speakers."

    There must be more, but that's all I can find on Edmonds.
    For the fancy name I would expect some options a little more obvious, but as you say, the money to 'upgrade' is not much more either so perhaps, that's all you get for being "Loyal"
    If it is a 'special color, it might be "Candy White" a subtle change from Campanella White, which to me looks more like 'Refrigerator White'. I have seen the 2 colors side by side.
    The Candy White is a much nicer, warmer white, kind of 'creamy'.
    With a beige interior, and sunroof, it looks light and beautiful inside.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    Looks like VW has figured out that the Multifunction Steering Wheel controls needed to be made standard on the new 2010 Wagon.
    That is going to PO a lot of 2009 buyers that miss that feature.

    The new design of the 2010 steering wheel function buttons look a lot better than the old phone push buttons that VW has been using for the past few years.

    But I think a well ecquiped 2006 TDI with the "Package 2" options still blows the new model away.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    There will be a new touch screen radio for the 2010 model year called the Premium VIII. This new radio will support the MDI which allows for full iPod or USB integration. You can't use the USB cable for iPod playback. You must use a special MDI iPod cable in order to playback an iPod. The touch screen radio looks like the RNS-510 but has no HDD or DVD playback. It does have a 6 MP3/CD/WMA changer though. Not the best display resolution wise but it's adequate. Hope this helps.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Unless you are buying used I expect you will not find a Loyal Edition. It was a limited run at the introduction of the 09 TDI. Loyal Edition had an amp under the seat which is not present or available on current 09's, it also had a few other minor differences.
  • dfciiidfciii Posts: 12
    The EPA changed the ratings around. I just bought a brand new 2009 VW Jetta TDI 2 days ago and it is rated for 40 highway and on the brand new engine with less than 300 miles I have been averaging 45MPG. The ratings are so far off that it stinks. The car once it is broke in will easily get 50+MPG. The only things that makes me suspicious of this new clean diesel is that today my car went to the shop. The cooling fan relay is faulty, and now I am without my car for almost 4 days to have them fix it. IT IS ONLY 2 DAYS OLD!!! Already having trouble, which makes me wonder about their built in mexico quality.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    Well the good/bad news is better now (under warranty) than later (NOT). The old warranty of 4 years 50,000 miles I considered meager at the time. Your 2009 warranty is Toyota/Honda like @ 3 years and 36,000 miles.
  • dfciiidfciii Posts: 12
    Yes, I totally agree with you, but since it was new technology i decided to buy the 100,000 mile warranty, and now I am glad i did. The one I bought covers everything 100% so I can at least have some peace of mind.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    Well the technology that is the most untested (120,000 miles warranty by Fed law) is the new 50 state emissions system. On two so called problematic oems and products that I have personally considered I am batting 100% (no issues) during the length of the warranty miles and terms. One I did buy (2001 Corvette Z06) and one I did not buy 2003 VW Jetta. I have asked almost everyone I know involved with the 2009 Jettas (vendors,owners, folks that know folks..... three dealers even) and outside of the "normal new car" adjustment stuff, this seems to have a better ratio than products that have come before.
  • dfciiidfciii Posts: 12
    Yeah, no other car company that sells in America can claim the clean diesel technology that VW has come up with. It doesnt take Urea like MB, BMW, and many other luxury models, and it does not require dealers to service the particulate filter like some other brands. It seems like a win win situation, and that is why I bought one. I just wish it would not have broken so soon, as that lets a 27000 dollar distaste in my mouth about VW. Overall, I love it though.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,488
    Yes I hear you. It is no comfort I am sure to be the statistical anomoly.

    It would seem that with EVERY oem, sometimes it is a game of dodging the known and unknown "bullets".

    Not to get too far afield from the topic, but I see that side by side with a 2004 Honda Civic. It was next to the last (05) MY. So in theory,not the best of that gen but certainly not the worst. Years later hindsight(actually following Edmunds.com Civic threads) tells me I dodged HUGE bullets by not getting the 2006 MY, as it had HUGE rear tire wear issues and replacement of major/minor suspension parts, to correct. In a huge percentage of "hard" cases, it is still not corrected and I would assume NOT correctable.

    Now I am VERY happy with the 2004 Civic and it has literally been FLAWLESS with 86,000 miles. BUT... in an A/B comparison, I have had to have 3 alignments to non being needed in the VW @ 118,000 miles. Tires shot @ 74,300 miles vs 112,300 in the VW, etc. Honda Civic pads and rotors a known weakness....
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