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VW Jetta TDI

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  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    The 09 TDI has a 2.0L engine, previous years were 1.9.

    In the recall notice it also mentioned TFSI, but I have no idea what that means.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    09 Tdi has the following engine (that is what I have):

    • Turbo compressor
    • 1,968 cc 2.0 liters in-line 4 front engine with 81.0 mm bore, 95.5 mm stroke, 16.5 compression ratio, overhead cam and four valves per cylinder
    • Diesel fuel
    • Diesel common rail fuel system
    • 14.5 gallon main diesel fuel tank 12.1
    • Power: 104 kW , 140 HP SAE @ 4,000 rpm; 236 ft lb , 320 Nm @ 1,750 rpm
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    The recall mentioned an engine with 147 kW, so I would then assume that they are not referring to the TDI, so it appears that we are ok.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,493
    Another designation is CBEA.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,898
    I have a nephew that is a repair tech for a VW dealership. He was actually recruited by the dealership and moved from a different state to the VW dealership he now works at. I asked him after he had been there about a year if I should buy a new 08 Jetta or the Mazda6 I was looking at. He said I should buy the Mazda if repairs and breakdown are a concern. He also mentioned that most repairs on a VW are about double most Japanese cars.

    I was really hoping that he would have said the VW because I really liked the solidness and handling but I bought the Mazda6 instead. In two years and 33,000 have not had one trip to the dealer other than routine maint. Absolutely nothing had to be fixed or adjusted which to me is pretty amazing.

    I am still looking at the 09 TDI as I have another vehicle that needs replacing in the near future. I'll talk to him soon now that he has three years on the job and find out if his opinion has changed.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I had a Mazda, before Subaru. It's a fine car but the quality is dropping (from what I hear). As far as I know (and I can attest to that being previously owner of one or more of the following) I would rate the quality and design of Japanese cars as follows:
    1. Honda (and their derivates such as Acura)
    2. Toyota (and their derivates such as Lexus)(my son works for Toyota HQ in Torrance, Calif.)
    3. Subaru
    4. Nissan (and their derivates such as Infinity)(formerly Datsun - changed name because of chronic rusting problems)
    5. Mitsubishi
    6. Mazda
    7. Suzuki
    8. Isuzu (no more)

    From all of the above I like Subaru the most.
    My first car was a French Simca Aronde, I went through several Citroens (loved those), Renaults, Peugeots, etc. The worst: Land Rover Discovery although I was one of the first owners of Land Rover in the U.S. - that car Land Rover - was impossible to sell (in Calif), Oh well...
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "VW I think has decreased costs and increased build quality"

    I too have read that VW claims that the Jettas have been too costly to produce and have figured out a way to build them faster and cheaper.

    Somehow this disturbs me. Faster and cheaper is what got the Big 3 into the worst decade of Crapper Cars we have ever seen.

    From reading all the Consumer Reports on the problomatic DSG and indeed the dual clutch system failures in the manual transmissions, makes me wonder how building them faster and cheaper will make them any better.

    I think I will wait for the new Jettas coming out this fall to see how this all works out.

    I like the look of the new front end, standard Bluetooth, more sound deadening, nicer steering wheel controls and better interior materials.

    And car gossip has it that a real overhaul from the frame up is in store for 2011 Jettas.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,493
    Constant improvement is definitely a "process".

    With one 03 VW @ 119,000 miles and 6 years old I will let you know in 5/6 years how the 2009 VW fairs. Hopefully the 03 will be 11/12 years old.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,681
    If I do buy the Jetta TDI at some point, I'm going to do so with full knowledge that it'll probably be on a tow truck a couple of times during its warranty period. I think that between my own knowledge of mechanics and my determination to get the dealer to perform first time every time, I might be okay. A lot of problems associated with the Jetta are due to owner's experience and dealers' laziness. So I can tighten THAT part up. But I can't of course, anticipate how VW screwed the car together in the first place.

    Last new car I had was a Scion wagon, and that thing never even burped. A friend owns it now, at about 60,000, and it's never been in for a warranty claim--it doesn't even rattle and we got 40,000 out of the cheesy tires.

    So yeah, I'm kinda spoiled, but I'll suck it up for TDI benefits. The only deterrent would be if MINI came out with a turbo diesel Clubman wagon. That's a formidable competitor to the TDI Sportwagon.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I must have missed something - don't see (on this website and other blogs) that many Tdi owners being towed due to mechanical breakdowns.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,681
    I'm viewing the car as a Jetta with a diesel engine, not as a separate car--so I'm looking at all Jetta stats, not just TDI stats.

    But you are right in that a TDI doesn't have an ignition system per se nor is it subject to the sludge issues of the other engines, so that may account for better reliability right there.

    Nonetheless, there are certainly TDI complaints to be found on the Internet, (as with any car you can name) and some of them are not pretty. Mostly electrical it seems like, dealer complaints, and complaints of high maintenance, --seem to dominate the list.

    You know, the normal ups and downs of man vs. machine.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I second that ... Jetta's electrical problems (in the past) were quite common.
    I know quite a few people that were frustrated with non-essential (non-tow truck though) electrical problems with various accessories such as windows, etc.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,493
    ..."I'm viewing the car as a Jetta with a diesel engine, not as a separate car--so I'm looking at all Jetta stats, not just TDI stats.

    But you are right in that a TDI doesn't have an ignition system per se nor is it subject to the sludge issues of the other engines, so that may account for better reliability right there. "...

    Right now the "advantage/disadvantage" is the 09 VW TDI does not have much history. The real places you have to look are the ww markets and probably more true, the European markets. There will be HUGE translation issues and I do not mean language.

    I performed the research late 2002 early 2003 for the 2003 Jetta TDI and concluded that most issues were for lack of a better word ,"gasser related".

    This is where the "constant" improvement process paid some dividends for VW and in effect were indicators that in effect let me feel more comfortable taking a "leap".

    So for example tires, brake pads, rotors, shocks/struts were still questions/issues. Hind sight and experience leaves me more than happy. "Crappy" tires lasted 112,300 miles. Brake rotors/pads @ 119,000 miles appear to be at slighty more than "half". Shocks and struts and applicable hardware will probably be changed @ the 200,000 to 250,000 mark. I did not need an alignment at 112,300 miles even as I got one @ 100,000 miles as I was intensely curious as to how it fared and was offered a special. It gets absolutely THE best mileage and I can get whatever mileage at will. (44 to 62 mpg) I normally drive to yield 48-52 mpg. Of late I have been doing "Italian" and with the A/C blasting to boot, so yield has been LOW (48 mpg). I did do the recommended TB/WP change @ 100,000, even as very close inspection indicated a min of 20,000 more would be just fine. I am swagging 400,000 500,000 miles from the "crappy" dual mass clutch. If not, $725. will buy a V6 Sachs clutch (single mass) upgrade.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,681
    Yes but you are a database of 1. Internet information for the average consumer does not paint such a hopeful future for VW buyers. It's not GRIM by any means, but it's definitely "iffy".

    If the reliability ratings are "average" and you got a great car, then maybe I'll get a turkey, so we'll achieve "average" that way?

    But I think I'm willing to roll the dice.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,493
    Well I did say that right up front!!?? Ultimately the only one one cares about is...??
    Also I looked at the ODDS of me getting a "GREAT" car and truthfully getting one would have greatly defied the odds. I think as a result, I got a statistically "average" car. I can of course, NOT prove either scenario.

    This might be off topic, but a very high percentage of MY 2006 Civic's (since I got a 2004 MY) have had HUGE and horrible rear end issues. I understand the corrective actions in a high percentage of cases have not corrected the "corrections" !!?? Honda Civic's have not suffered from bad "reliability ratings" :surprise:
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,681
    Ratings are very important these days to a car's image and its success.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,493
    Are you leaning towards the 6 spd manual or 6 spd DSG?
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,681
    6 speed I think. I have yet to drive a new one, so we'll see. I'm not at all opposed to automatics with diesel engines--in fact, in some ways I think even the DSG arrangement would enhance the driving characteristics of a diesel. But I like the lower MSRP of the 6 speed and also being able to push start the car and/or tow it, etc. Simpler the better, in other words. I was also thinking of waiting for a lease deal from VW, if it ever happens.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Well if you look at the best reliability ratings compared to the worst...it's not all that bad. A couple problems over a few years....the Jetta is such a nicer car than most anything that can compete from a fuel mileage stand point. Of course a lot has to do with buying the appropriate vehicle. I wouldn't buy the diesel if you only drive low mileage trips or around town. A hybrid (or small gasser) would be a better choice. Out on the road though, it's just hard to compete with a diesel. I looked very close at getting back into a TDI a few weeks back. A dealer in Philadelphia is selling them for $1,200 under invoice....but the economics of running a second vehicle just still don't make sense at this point. I'm only driving at max, 20k per year and still need a good 4x4 truck on many days. It just makes financial sense to run the truck 100% of the time even with the deep discounts and tax credit. Maybe when my truck gets older and isn't depreciating as much and I don't want to drive it as often, it will make more sense. '09 TDI is an awesome care though and the six-speed manual is the way I would go. The DSG just kind of bugged me.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,898
    "Crappy" tires lasted 112,300 miles. Brake rotors/pads 119,000 miles appear to be at slighty more than "half".

    In over 50 years of driving and over 35 vehicles I've never had a set of tires or brakes last anywhere near as long and I think I've had some pretty good tires at times. Maybe the experience you have with your vehicle is due in large part to the way you drive and maintain your vehicle. If I had to describe my driving habits/maint habits it would be average. To go over 100k on a set of tires and brakes you must drive very, very gently and in a straight line most of the time.
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