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VW Jetta TDI

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  • I have a 2002 Jetta TDI and I replaced my OEM battery with a red top Optima. I don't drive the car very often as I use mass transit and the reason I purchased the Optima was claims that it drains slower than other batteries. It didn't even last 3 years. I didn't have the receipt and the manufacture date was just over 3 years old so no warranty replacement. Don't waste your $$$$.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    Too bad. Did the Optima have all the necessary ratings for diesel operation?

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,916
    No, the Optima is not even designed for the TDI, aka longer and deeper glow plug current requirements. OEM of course each have their competitive offerings and 94R is normally the proper specification.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    I have warned folks for years that the OPTIMA battery is not worth the cost. Dont get me wrong, it is a better technology than SLA (Sealed Lead Acid) but it is not worth the extra $$ they are asking for it.

    In reality, there are only about 2 or 3 battery manufactures left. EVERYONES batteries are made by those same manufacturers.

    "Interstate" Batteries has wharehouses all over the country and their batteries are no worse than anyone elses. They sell everything from celphone, laptop batteries all the way up to huge UPS (Unintuptable Power Supply) batteries and Solar-cell storage batteries.

    If you are on a low budget, they even sell refurbished car batteries. (fully tested and waranteed)

    I even take my rechargable power-tool batteries to "Interstate" to rebuild them. They open up the battery-pack and install matched cells.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,916
    edited September 2011
    I have been following Corvette Z06 sites (10 years) and the Optima line is a constant issue of disappoint for what seems to be a higher percentage of dissatisfied folks. The Z06's current demands are no where NEAR the TDI's.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    If you own a diesel, you buy the best battery money can buy, is my advice.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,916
    It is actually surprising the VW dealers offer oem specifications batteries at a very competitive price, and actually have a 60 month warranty they in fact honor.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    I always thought dealers pawn you off on the battery company if you have a problem.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,916
    I am sure that is the normal case.

    All I did was bring in the old battery, they gave me the prorate refund and settled up on the new replacement battery. They would have installed it but I just brought in the battery.
  • Red tops and yellow tops are not what they used to be.
  • We are looking for a new wagon or an SUV. We have owned Hondas and Toyotas recently, but I am attracted by the Jetta TDI reviews I have seen. But I also have this impression that they are less reliable than the average car. But still it came as a shock when my mechanic (whom I trust) said that the one car he would not recommend to me would be the VW diesel line! According to him this car can be as expensive to repair as the Porsche.

    Has this car been more trouble prone lately? Has VW fixed anything in 2011 or 2012 models that should make me consider it despite my mechanic's advice?

    Thanks in advance.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,035
    It is possible your mechanic does not have the proper equipment to work on the VW TDI engines. He may not want to lose a customer. If you keep cars beyond the extended warranty having a mechanic you can trust is useful. I would say you should talk to a shop that repairs VW TDIs on a regular basis. If none exist in your area and you do not want to work on your car after the warranty period, maybe the VW TDI is not for you. My 70 year old neighbor has a 1999 Beetle TDI that he maintains. It has close to 200k miles on it. His wife will not drive any other of their vehicles. She loves driving that car. He has not had any major failures to date. The driving experience of the German vs Asian or Domestic is MUCH BETTER.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,916
    edited September 2011
    I think if you are concerned about the "FLEET" over all (numbers and percentages) of JSW TDI's, the good news and bad news are the (2011/2012) JSW TDI's are a very SMALL fleet indeed. (aka stay away from the VW Jetta TDI's)

    So for example, one defect in a fleet of say 5,000 (JSW TDI's), will have far different numbers and percentages than say one defect in 200,000 each ( of Honda Accord/Toyota Camry) As you can see, that one defect can and has to happen many more times (10 TIMES more) in a Accord/Camry before numbers are even significant let alone labeled an issue, vs a JSW TDI.

    Others are a series of coded messages from your mechanic. What he is really saying: he has neither the equipment, expertise and practical experiences to service a diesel. In effect, you will be now on your own (after the VW warranty periods) should you chose the diesel. If he were to service YOUR diesel, statistically (all things being equal) he can not come close to the level a service a specialist in TDI's can. I am sure he would hate to lose you as a customer. (aka stay WITH the Honda/Toyota)

    So to answer your questions PRACTICALLY. VW's are really built to be repaired. This can be seen as a good thing OR a BAD thing. All but the diesel components are normal "CAR" repairs (a wheel and tire on a VW is a ...wheel and tire on a Honda/Toyota) Honda/Toyota's are really built to be appliance like, which oh by the way can be brought in to be fixed. Almost by necessity, I would seek out a specialist IN TDI's.

    I just recently clicked off a major tune cycle for both (110,000/120,000 miles, 100,000 miles) a 2004 Honda Civic and a 2003 VW Jetta TDI. At LIKE MILES, you will probably not guess which needed more maintenance AND cost more and was procedurally and technically more complicated and took more time. ;)

    sidebar: I can be VERY specific but don't wish to bore the general thread if that is not of real interest.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    edited September 2011
    In my opinion, the TDI is not any more trouble-prone than any other vehicle.

    Yes - it is DIFFERENT than a gasser. But the TDi actually has LESS things to fail.

    NO ignition system (coil, sparkplug wires, sparkplugs....etc) These things simply do not exist on a diesel engine.

    I have to agree with the other appender who suggested that perhaps your "trusted mechanic" is simply not familiar with the TDI engine and does not wish to lose a customer.

    Also, do not forget that ONLY the engine is different... the rest of the vehicle is the same as any other VW. Same brakes, same suspension...etc Hence, your mechanic should be able to handle most of the "standard" maintenance duties.

    My wife LOVES her Jetta TDI and prefers to drive it over my turbocharged Baja.

    On long roadtrips, (over 4 hours) the 56 MPG is unmatched by any other vehicle sold in North America. It gets over 750 miles per tank of fuel.

    ....and dont let ANYONE tell you that diesel fuel is "hard to find" or "too expensive" I can tell you that diesel is sold at most refuling stations.

    I have a spreadsheet totaling every drop of fuel ever pumped into my wife's TDI. The all-important COST PER MILE is $0.05 (over 125,000 miles)

    My motorcycle barely matches the cost-per-mile of the TDI!!
  • thought my 2009 TDI was perfect car...drive about 500 miles a week commuting....mostly highway.....just found out I need a new DPF(diesel particulate filter) and catalytic converter....$4000.00 estimate by dealer..yes THOUSAND.....called VW customer service and was told the DPF and catalytic converters are covered for 8yrs/80k miles....I was at 80,800...so sorry " nothing we can so" they did say they would send me a service voucher for $250.00...thanks.....also @ 90k a timing belt change is required maintanence*($1200-$1400 dealer estimate) so much for saving money driving a TDI... just be careful....I never missed a dealer servicing so I'm even more annoyed.....
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    I think it would be more accurate to say that a diesel car has OTHER things to fail rather than FEWER things to fail.

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  • recently had new glow plugs(750.00 dealer repair) and new door latch (450.00 dealer repair) can understand glow plugs after 80k.....so with the DPF and timing belt in a month or so I'm looking @ $6000.00 in repair costs for a car I bought less than 3 years ago for 25k . So much for VW Engineering.....thats above the expensive regular maintenance I had at the dealer.....
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,035
    If your state does not require smog check on diesels, maybe a different exhaust system that boosts power and better mileage. I think CA requires longer than 80k miles. That would ruin my day and give me unpleasant thoughts about VW. Have you always used high quality ULSD? Not all states are fully compliant on the ULSD mandate. The engine must have it.
  • yep...always high quality fuel ...NY metro area....won't pass emissions with check engine light...real dissappointed.....love the car...hate the unforseen expenses....does VW have to charge 4 grand for a poorly designed filter/catalytic converter? will the new one have to replaced in another 80K? really thought I would be driving it for years... doesn't seem to make sense putting that kind of money into it
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,035
    I wonder if you would take a full $4k hit as a trade-in on a new one? Might be worth a try at a different dealer.
  • not happy with the quality /engineering now...might be done with VW...just might cut my losses and buy something different....don't know what other problems might pop up despite my taking great care of the vehicle...can't see throwing good money after bad
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    edited September 2011
    My first new VW was a '59 bettle, coldest, noisiest, most uncomfotable bucket of bolts on the road, next, a '62 Bettle, at least it had a gas gauge but not much else, then a '72 Super beetle we called 'Herman', it got run into 3 different times parked out side the house, next up a '74 "Sun Bug" well named because it had a sunroof (that wouldn't close) then a Rabbit or 2, one of those things was a diesel, 0 to 60 time trial is still going on, and finally after all those PIA's, a 2006 VW TDI.

    I am living proof of the old saying, you can't keep making the same mistake over and over, and expect a different result.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,035
    What other indication do you get that the emissions system is broke?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,916
    edited September 2011
    It might be time to use local independent shops that specialize in TDI's. If you decide to stay with VW's. It would be hard to fault you after getting the - $4,000 news. So for another example, the VW recommendation for the 2009 TB/WP change is due @120,000 miles. This has been well known and documented in many places and also in the owners manual. This interval is UP from the 2003 (mk IV) interval of 100,000 miles. Using local guru's, while the parts cost slightly more than a Mk IV model, my last 100,000 miles TB/WP interval cost 600 total.

    This is not an excuse for the lack of durability for your emissions system, but I had app $4,600 in repair fees for a 1985 Toyota Camry. It was done at the time by a local Toyota dealer. Yes and like yours, a couple of miles outside the warranty. Looking back on it it can only be descrbed as a sludge monster with a whole bunch more issues. They actually as a good will move did a lot of OTHER things under their "secret customer service warranties" Needless to say Toyota reliability has been , even back then and remains... ledgendary.
  • thanks for the info....120k TB/WP change is great news...I guess the dealers service department didn't get the memo! car runs great so I'm in no hurry... maybe I'll find a TDI guru ....thanks again
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    edited September 2011
    Had the TBWP service done on my 2006 Jetta TDI at 95,000 miles this summer.

    Dealerships are getting more competative about priceing shop work these days. The bill was $658.00 inc taxes.

    The old belt and idler pully that came off still looked to be in mint condtion.
  • fho2008fho2008 Posts: 393
    Wow only at 40k on my gas 2.0 but dealer said $1000 for tb wp at 110k.....theres a mechanic near where I work, works on lots of vw's, think I'll be talking to him.
  • 06tdibadcam06tdibadcam Posts: 10
    edited October 2011
    My 06 TDI Jetta camshaft and lifters just bit the dust at 118,000 miles. Faithfully used oil change and service at vw dealer. I bought this car to last 300k. My other car, 05 seinna has 278k right now. I maintain my cars as well as anyone, what the heck happened to my camshaft and lifters. One lifter has a hole completely through the top, bearings show copper.
    Dealer said I did not use correct oil, but they did the oil changes.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,035
    Dealer said I did not use correct oil, but they did the oil changes.

    Dealers using the wrong oil in your engine is way too common. Problem is proving it. I would talk to the service manager first and bring all your paperwork. If they don't accept some responsibility I would get a hold of VWUSA. They are trying to improve their image. Good luck, and keep us posted.
  • It appears that the correct oil has been used. I have been told that it is due to a batch of bad parts that VW used and I am just out $1600 plus. Not sure who or how to get in contact at VW. Seems like there were quite a few 06 TDI's with same problem on the vwclub forum.
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