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  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    edited October 2011
    Hi gagrice, here's the phone number to order those "Mr. Gasket" spacers for the Jetta front springs...1-800-345-4545 they were $5.95 a couple of years ago but $7.95 now...'price creep'....so what else is new?

    BTW, you still have the link to order that really nice front hood deflector for the Jetta?

    Thanks for checking...
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,911
    before I traded my 4th VW TDI (120k miles), I considered upgrading/replacing the suspension, probably with some aftermarket/slight-drop & properly tuned/variable-rate-spring aftermarket setup.

    Raising a suspension does not fit the definition of 'upgrade' in my dictionary but it does fit the definition of 'mullet'. Don't do it, gagrice!

    imho raising the suspension is a downgrade and i'd like to reiterate my recommendation to leave the cars center of gravity where it is , or lower it, but don't raise it.

    If one needs ground clearance that badly maybe better choices are a VW Tig sans mullet,
    or a pickup-truck avec mullet.

    VW diesels are nice but compromising other aspects of driving just to continue with diesel was not worth it to me. the failure rate on the new TDI fuel systems seems also not worth it to me.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    You are probably right on raising the Golf or Jetta. It is just to low for my tastes. The Tiguan is a good height for getting in and out of comfortably. Unfortunately it does not get good enough mileage to justify the price. I currently own a Nissan Frontier that I enjoy driving. A 22 year old LS400 that just will not break. I drive it just because it is there. And our Sequoia that we take on trips. None average over 17 MPG. I suppose an older diesel SUV that will run on just about anything would be better. I could import an older Land Cruiser diesel from Canada. I really cannot financially justify any vehicle purchase.

    Is there any consensus on why the TDI fuel systems are failing. Are people getting low grade high sulfur diesel? Could it be the winter blends are causing the problems?
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    What an odd analogy!

    If one's Jetta was considered totally bald, adding 1" spacers to the front springs would be more like a 'comb over' or at worst a crew cut!

    My 2006 Jetta hangs so low in the front on the stock set up, it looks more like a vacuum cleaner going down the road.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I think Elias was more concerned with the handling dynamics of raising the Jetta. If I lived someplace other than the people's republic of CA, where the roads are kept up, I may consider the Golf or Jetta. It is more my back getting in and out of low slung cars. That is why I don't like driving the Lexus. I will likely just save my money and keep what I have. We don't put a lot of miles a year on all three vehicles. For sure not enough to buy a new vehicle based on better mileage. I just enjoy the driving dynamics of a diesel vs gas engined vehicle. And the range you get on trips.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    edited October 2011
    You folks that *assume* that we all drive on perfectly-smooth roads are a bit out of touch.

    Here in Vermont... many of the roads are not even paved. The paved ones are beat to death in the winter by salt and plowing every few hours. At least a bad dirt road can be graded... but potholes in a paved road are simply sharp-edges for the snowplow to grab and tear off more asphalt.

    Also, the springs on vehicles tend to "sag" over time and miles. Many vehicles here in Vermont have at least one broken spring. (roadsalt and bunpy dirt roads can break the end off of a coil-spring and the driver may not even know it is broken)

    Replacing the springs to restore factory ride-height is not unheard of.

    BOTTOM LINE: Adding an inch or so the ride-height may be a necessity for those that live where the roads are not baby-bottom smooth.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,911
    Sears replaced my vehicles springs while living in VT... 77 firebird 305 2bbl automatic.
    It rode way too high for my tastes afterwards actually, but the factory springs were junk. leaf springs in back, coils in front. apparently, this was the closest i ever got to the mullet.

    longo, thank you for extending the analogy with your spot-on point about comb-overs.

    one reason i traded my 06 jetta at 120k miles was the long list of big-$ items it needed, shocks, springs, camshaft, tires, wiper blades, valve stem caps. :| zero sparkplugs required replacement, however.

    gagrice, it sounds like you drive so few miles per year that you should just cave in and stick with gassers! I've cut back from 60k/year to merely 25k or 30k, and I've gone all gasser. If I drove as few miles as you , I'd probably be driving one of those planet-sized tractor-sized INTERNATIONAL pickup trucks that can tow full size loaded 30,000 lb trailer. i've seen one on the highway locally - it's hilarious - and awesome.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    You are right that with my mileage total less than 10k per year, I should just keep what I got. I wish the Lexus would quit running or have a major breakdown. I am driving it more in hopes it will break. Still runs like a top. I put a new set of Michelins on it a couple years ago. We do loan it to family and friends when they come to town. Still has less than 105k miles and now 22 years old. I doddled around during C4C and missed the opportunity to trade it in. Though we will probably just give it to a family member that needs a good running car.

    When one of those Hollywood Eco Weinie types got a CTX I thought about it. Great for running over Prius blocking the left lane.

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  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "Here in Vermont... many of the roads are not even paved. The paved ones are beat to death in the winter by salt and plowing every few hours."

    Hmmm, sounds like home, just add wandering herds of Mule Deer on the roads every fall and you have the perfect reason to spend the winter in Arizona.

    I have been shopping for a nice AWD and have noticed a lot of them for sale in your part of the country......now I know why, they are probably all beaten to death by driving ON the roads and not off. :sick:
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    It does not surprise me that you found many AWDs in this part of the country. The 'unofficial' Vermont car is Subaru. Nearly every 3rd car on the road is a Subie.

    Many people here in Vt will purchase a "winter beater" car and leave the good one parked in the driveway all winter.

    Besides, ANY vehicle with 4 wheel drive that runs is worth at least $1,000.

    My wish.... Subaru TDI. (Only because VW wont make a 4WD sedan)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I would love to have an Audi A4 Allroad TDI like they sell everywhere but here.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    edited October 2011
    "My wish.... Subaru TDI"

    Sad part is, they do and right here in North America.

    They are all exported to Europe.

    Strange but true.

    Just took a 2007 Jeep Overland CRD out for a test drive last week and it was a big expensive lump to drive.

    (on a lighter note, I have seen a VW TDI installed in an old dodge mini van, rattles and belches blue smoke, but it's the worlds most mpg van on the panet)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,780
    Sure VW makes an AWD sedan. it's called an Audi! :P

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  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    And in Europe and other parts of the world they are also called Skodas. Same components, different bodies, better-built, more reliable and less costly. But not for badge snobs. ;)
  • I am considering buying a used TDI but am intimidated by what I have read on this forum. I am one of those "I want reliability Honda/Nissan/Toyota" people, but I love the IDEA of the longevity of a diesel engine and am seduced by the gas mileage. Can't afford new so I'm looking at a $10K car - 2005 GLS TDI stick - several of them around in the 105k to 150k mileage range, but I won't have any idea about the history of the vehicle. One post on this board said he would never consider buying a used TDI unless he knew how it had been maintained previously. Is this true? Am I crazy to look at buying a used one with this high of mileage having know idea how it has been maintained? My husband has driven Ford diesel trucks forever and we have one that has over 350k miles on it so he says he is not intimidated by diesels, but after reading everything on here I'm not sure...
  • Chaos, I'm in the same boat. I've got a 10yo Toyota that about to hit 120k on the odometer. I'm getting 21mph and I commute ~85 miles a day. I see several for sales on Craiglist around me, and I'm looking for the timing belt replacement and the oil pump replaced, which should be the main issue with the 1.8L Audi Diesel engine.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,780
    edited November 2011
    If I may intrude here upon the conversation, on a topic dear to my heart:

    I would personally get out of the headspace about "longevity", which is merely a speculation projected into the future...in other words, it is not a fact, and therefore should not be part of your calculations.

    The TDI's excellent fuel economy is a fact, and the particular car's service records is a fact, as is the car's present condition--a testament of sorts as to how it was taken care of. So, too, it's excellent driving characteristics.

    also a fact is VWs somewhat "spotty" reliability record.

    In other words, you gotta work with data that is measurable or researchable or can be experienced first hand.

    A spotless used TDI with excellent records---that's good!

    A TDI with 150K on it---not so good...not bad, but that IS a lot of miles for any car. So you could consider a 150K car, but you should pay accordingly, and consider that with those miles, the car's life is at least half over, if not in fact more, statistically speaking.

    Sure, some cars go 300K.

    Most don't, though. It's attainable, but not realistic IMO.

    You have to play the odds when buying a used car, and 300K is like putting $1000 bill to WIN on an old nag.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,851
    edited November 2011
    I think you have to take Shiftright's take pretty seriously. He has been around cars (professionally) probably longer than a lot of folks that read this thread, are old. IF you still decide on an older used TDI, to make sure you are not getting someone else's unmitigated troubles. This is really true for all cars, but for a lot of reasons true for TDI's.

    I run a 04 Civic with 131,000 miles and an 03 TDI with 172,000 miles. I can tell you unequivically that at like miles (110,000, 120,000 miles) the Civic costed more to maintain and used app 32% more fuel. These two cars while perfect for the commute, for which they were bought are not even close to being "similar" cars.

    I am satisfied with each car. However, I do wish the 04 Civic was a Civic TDI. I do not wish the VW TDI was a VW gasser.
  • Hi All... My Bridgestone Turanza EL400s have nearly 40K miles on them now. I wanted to start to do some research on replacements. I was thinking of the Michelin low rolling resistance tires, HydroEdge, because of the 90K mile warranty. Anyone have any ongoing experience with these or better tires? I was thinking of going to the 215s on my '09 TDI over the 205s too.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,851
    Your best bet (barring any special purpose requirements) would be the Michelin Primacy MVX4's in the oem size 205-55-16- H's There are any number of OTHER good choices, given a lot of variables.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 203
    The Michelin MVX4's are good tires. We used them on both our 'o4 Passat and our '06 Jetta; quiet, relatively good on ice and light snow, and handled and rode well. In fact, the MVX4's are the only all season tire rated good on ice. We put Bridgestone Ecopias on the Jetta last year and saw a 4.5% improvement in fuel mileage over the MXV4's. The Ecopias are much more quiet, ride smoother, and seem to handle better than the EL400's. Also, the Ecopias are less expensive than the MXV4's. I agree with ruking 1 regarding staying with OEM sizing. A larger tire will decrease your fuel economy, slow acceleration, stiffen your ride, and increase the speedometer error built into the Jetta. The only benefit of wider tires is improved cornering on dry pavement. Tire Rack is an excellent resource for recommendations and comparisons.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,851
    edited December 2011
    As a contrast, @ 29,000 miles my Bridgestone EL400's look to be able to go 75,000 to 80,000 miles.

    Tirerack lists (reviewers avg rating, currently)

    1. GY Assurance Comfortread Touring (8.5)

    2. M Primacy HP (8.4)

    3. M Primacy MXV4 (8.4)

    4. M Pilot Exalto A/S (8.3)

    5. M P MXM4 (8.2)

    To me the only real "disadvantage to the Michelin" are the prices. It however for a host of reasons was and remains the gold standard/s for the VW's.

    @ the time,I actually researched and settled on Toyo TPT's. (195-65-15 H's oem size)) @ app 61,000 miles, it is on track for 120,000 +miles. Long mileage wear was obviously high on my priority list. Michelin MXV4's were on the top 5 list. In 20/20 hindsight (9/12 years and experiences of other VW and Toyo drivers), I was one of the few that got app 112,300 miles on the oem GY LS-H's. Toyo TPT's for my situation seemed projected to be able to go 1020+ miles and are a far cheaper price than M's.

    Given my situation there is no doubt in my mind that the M MXV4 would be able to do the 120,000 + miles. I did buy on price. One "disadvantage" to the TPT's are its directionality. So the only way you can rotate is front to back and back to front; which is the oem recommendation anyway. However over the miles (200,000) and years (9) I have found the 4/5 tire CROSS rotation to be the best, even as it is NOT the recommended procedure. The concept here is each tire gets on each position, ergo evening out the wear.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    The 'tirerack' ratings are biased in that they only reflect tire brands which they sell.

    We run the "eNtyre" from Nokian Tyres on our TDI.

    Given that we swap-out to our winter rubber pre-mounted on seperate wheels for the winter, I expect a lot of miles from them.

    Of-course, the "drawback" to running winter tires is that the dealership may not be able to calculate the actual miles on the tires if there are any premature-wear issues. The raw odometer miles will include miles which were NOT run on the tires.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,851
    edited January 2012
    Indeed, that is what made the "Toyo's" a stretch/projection. They are not sold nor carried by tire rack. For my application (I actually have a Y,Z rated application also), I would get them again. They have proven themselves (for my op/ed anyway) to be a good price performance ratio. It is modified a bit by the fact that 4/5 tire cross rotation can yield up to 1/32 in more even wear over the life of the set. While 1/32 in MORE wear might sound like a trifle, in my case that can be up to 15,000 miles more wear.
  • kissa4kissa4 Posts: 1
    Would like to know about the outcome of your search for fog lights in your TDI wagon. Need fog lights for 2010 TDI wagon as I live foggy Northwest . Any information regarding supplier other than dealer an total cost would be appreciated. Happy New Year!
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    edited January 2012
    There is a REASON that VW does not offer foglights for the TDI.... most of the orfaces on the front of the TDI are air-intakes.

    For example, putting a foglight into the air-intake for the intercooler could be a bad thing.

    In the past, (on MKIV VWs), one could replace the headlights with "eCode" units which INCLUDE foglights. The headlight switch easilly pops out and can be replaced with one that has foglight settings. (as you can see in the link above provided by past appender)

    Some folks do not realize that the headlight switch slides out if you PUSH-n-TWIST it. (really slick German engineering)

    eCode = European-specd headlight units which are MUCH brighter than USA law allows.
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 203
    The SportWagen's stock lower side plastic grills that are replaced when front fog lights are installed are solid without any vent openings. No air passes through these grills. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. The replacement plastic grills installed with fog lights are vented. I suggest you look at the stock lower grills on a U.S. version Jetta that was built after 2004 and research how Jettas are equipped with fog lights around the world at this link:
    http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehmen/Welt- weit.html
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,780
    edited January 2012
    Ah, those are the same tires you get OEM on a Camry 4 cylinder, so you KNOW that sporty driving is not in the mix here. Based on my friend's experience (I know, it's just a database of one), the Turanzas haven't been very sturdy against road hazard. I have never seen 4 flats on a car with 8300 miles on it before, of which 2 were utterly blameless to the tires, but of the other two---one other having a bead issue and the 4th a mysterious cut in the *inside* of the tire. (rock? defect? nobody knows).

    I am *very* pleased with my new Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sports on my MINI--it transformed the car for me---smoother ride, good grip indeed. Can't say about the mileage but the tires are only a little more than the Turanzas. I think Turanzas from Tirerack are $116, plus tax, shipping, mounting, blah blah. So probably same-o same-o with the 760s.

    PS: I don't need anything for winter driving, so if you do, the Potenza Sport might not be your baby.

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  • faastufffaastuff Posts: 2
    Your question is the heart of the matter, namely--Can I pass the slow guy in front of me and live? Two summers ago, four teenagers in a Dodge Neon passed a car on a two-lane road, swerved back into the right lane, lost control, then hit the oncoming pickup truck head-on with the right side of their car, splitting it, killing two of the four kids and critically injuring the other two (who may have died later, too.) Two days ago, kids of the friends of a friend died. This time, three teenagers in a Chevy Aveo tried to pass their teenage friends in a Pontiac Grand Prix and swerved into the left front of the Grand Prix to avoid oncoming traffic. Both cars went off the road, killing two of the three in the Aveo and major injuries to the third in the Aveo, with the Grand Prix riders mostly fine. Both cars were speeding.

    I see a lack of education (and MAJOR lack of judgment) in these areas:
    1. Understanding acceleration and total time and distance to pass
    2. Knowing one's specific vehicle's ability to pass.
    3. Knowing how much the extra weight in the car reduces its acceleration
    4. Knowing how much the extra weight in the car reduces handling to swerve back out of oncoming traffic
    5. Judging to know if you've actually passed the other car using mirror, window, etc.
    6. Knowing whether the other car is even passable
    7. Knowing to start accelerating much sooner before entering the passing lane to have a jump on the speed
    8. Knowing even published data and tests are likely using new cars with professional drivers with red-line RPM and pedal to metal acceleration.
    9. Knowing decent horse-power and decent torque may be cancelled by fixed gear ratios.
    10. Weather.
    11. Knowing some slow drivers are jerks and will speed up to keep you from passing, so knowing when to cancel the pass and fall back.

    But it all boils down to total time and distance, and judging how far away is that oncoming traffic. I'm working out the calculations that ignore #11.
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