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VW Jetta TDI

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,756
    I gathered from ALLTorque's posting the (similar) Euro TDI's have a 6 speed (vs US market's 5 speed) and (probably) the .205 injectors as stock.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    You can swap a 6-speed manual into the US TDI's....pretty easy and not that expensive. If your 5-speed ever craps out (not common) it's about $500 more for an OEM unit. I don't see a major advantage at typical highway speeds. Probably a little less fuel burn, but you might actually have to downshift to rock-n-roll around some slow-poke in a GTO or something :P
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,756
    Will keep that in definite mind. I have been told by reliable sources, with reasonable care, 400k miles is not out of the question for the clutch. It would actually make (cost of labor) sense to do it at the same time as the clutch.

    Since you have probably done some car building, you know the issues/drill. So if I get a 6 speed, should I not also get the HUGE (er) injectors, chip it!!! Do some cutting and put a BIG down pipe. Well since it is at 400k why not an upgraded turbo!!?? Should do bigger inter coolers. Well to feed the chipped side and bigger injectors, might as well do the 11 mm fuel pump. WOO HOO!

    NOT so woo hoo.... now I should get a more stout (non stock) clutch to handle the extra hp/torque. Now the rims and tires become WAY deficient, and the stock suspension and brake systems are NOW puny..... 15,000 dollars later...... :)
  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    Yes, indeedy, here in EUland 6-speed manuals are pretty much the norm, with 6-speed DSG being the alternative. As I recall, one UK road-tester commented about the 2.0TDi/140bhp new Jetta; "It will happily trundle along at 40mph in 6th, (at just over 1000rpm), and then accelerate smoothly away until you need to back off for traffic or the end of the island".

    As for the 1.9TDi having the .205 Injectors.............er, quite possibly but not a clue, I'm ashamed to say. I only know what it does, not how. Sorry.

    You now understand the relevance of my User Name.............Alltorque. :)
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    It seems like the clutches either die an early death (user error???) or go a long time. I would say they're a little weak particularly when you have fueling mods. I've got a tad over 150k miles on mine and have had mods in various stages since 40k miles. Initially hook-up is the problem, although a heavy-pedal in any lower gear can slip the stock clutch.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,756
    For true. It also does not help this 2003 model year has that dual mass. But if you have 150k with the mods then perhaps not as weak as folks may think. I have no slipping, nor have I ever smoked the clutch. But it is a babe at 91,000 miles. :)
  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    Just to give you a look at two VAG Brands that don't travel outside Europe, (at least, not that I'm aware).

    Skoda and SEAT

    http://www.skoda.co.uk/skoda3g/home.aspx

    The Fabia is a Polo, the Octavia is a Golf/Jetta, the Superb is a stretched Passat and the Roomster is a rebodied Fabia. New Fabia is shown on the site, but not the new vRS with the 2.0TDi/140 engine. That arrives later.

    SEAT is the Spanish arm of VAG and you can probably guess what the platforms used are.

    http://www.seat.co.uk/

    Ibiza is a Polo, Leon is a Golf etc. The Ibiza FR gets the 160PS TDi and the Leon Cupra gets a 240PS gasser.............which makes it fairly mental. A number of manufacturers are re-inventing the "hot-hatch" at present. 240bhp seems to be the target for anything Golf-sized - as in the Vauxhall, (GM), Astra VXR. Have read somewhere that your next Saturn uses same platform; but maybe not the 240bhp 4-pot. VAG are probably the biggest player in the diesel sector but the Honda 2.2cTDi is highly thought of in the Civic, Accord, CR-V and FR-V. The small GM diesels are not rated in the same league whilst the Ford diesels are rated as O.K.

    O.K. end of verbiage.
  • One of the most impressive things i found was that my Jetta tdi was just slightly slower than my 01 Fix or repair daily Focus. It just took me a few mods (new exhaust, air intake, and chip) which just increased the hp enough to make it just as fast. I also own an 87' toyota mr2 which is meant for racing. Quite a difference but i still prefer the jetta for daily driving. It takes off great, overtakes when i need it to, better on taking off at red lights than any other car i have, but i just get poor gas mileage. About 32 city miles, and that's what i get in my MR2 going about 100mph on average. The torque is the thing that made me want to buy the jetta and it was more of a tank than the passat and that's why i wanted it. i don't need it rusting out on my before i get a chance to drive it for 20 years.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    We have a found on road dead expedition an the radiator broke on night 1, the dash rattled the broken part they left in the engine bay, the heated cooled seat dont work, TPMS was disabled, the DVD player doesn't read disks and the rear driver window doesn't go up with a helping hand. The power quarter windows yell, the 11.2MPG isn't great(reset 3times) but at least the engine sounds nice. We're only at 42k miles and this $44k is now worth $14k... :sick:

    I think vw's reliability "issues" are something i think i can handle. It cant be bade as our sweet sounding Expy(which is sitting outside getting great MPG!)

    -Cj :)
  • esteezeesteeze Posts: 102
    I've been looking at the Jetta TDI (through reading this forum and the TDIClub... both excellent) since last summer, and I think I'm going to go ahead and get one soon. I've had an 03 Honda CR-V for the past 4 years, and I'd like to get something more fuel efficient (AWD CR-V gets about 21 MPG).

    It seems like the 06's are still in dealerships, and are still "new" (i.e., untitled by anyone yet).

    Has anyone looked at the 05.5 or 06's recently? What are some of the things to look out for in buying one? (i.e., any pitfalls to be aware of).

    I'll mostly be getting one for an urban commute vehicle (about 25 miles / day). I'd like to get one with the DSG transmission.

    Thanks,

    Jeff
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,756
    A couple of things to consider.

    I have heard the 06 model is one of the best built VW TDI's. Target price would be invoice. Edmunds.com is a great resource. You might want to check www.tdiclub.com and do a search for TDI dealers (out of state) in case you are unable to locate a local dealer who can and will do that type of deal. Best of luck and let us know how it works out.

    The biggie is since the TDI is capable of a very long lifespan, it is to your advantage to do a good degree of homework. If you are of the buy and forget and abuse set, new every two, etc. the TDI might prove problematic for you, and not worth the time/premium, etc.

    Another; I am sure you bought the CRV Honda for a host of reasons. An easy example; if you own the Honda and have no payments, you'd be very HARD pressed if not impossible to justify new car payments for a 42/50 mpg vehicle when you only commute 6,600 miles per year! Just make sure a Jetta, Beetle, Golf, really will fit your needs, as it is an apples to oranges comparison.
  • esteezeesteeze Posts: 102
    Thanks for the info, ruking1.

    Yeah, I'd probably go for a "new" 06, with the thinking that I'd keep it a long time.

    I tend to take very good care of the cars I have, as far as going easy on them and keeping up the maintenance items. Pretty good data point to support that statement: The car I had before my CR-V was a 93 Honda Civic that I bought new, kept for 10 years, and was able to sell for at or above the market rate due to it's still being in great working condition(even though it had ~180K miles). The CR-V is a similar case... well maintained, with miles right where it should be for its age, AND has never been "rode hard, and put away wet". I'm just giving these details to illustrate how I would probably keep the Jetta.

    I probably average about 12K of miles a year (some other driving above and beyond my work commute). I think I figured that I would save about $25/month in fuel costs with an 06 Jetta TDI (assuming: nominal mileage of 35MPG for a DSG TDI Jetta, diesel price $.10/gal more than RUL gasoline).
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    IMHO, for 12k miles a year you really need to WANT a VW diesel more than need one. Additionally, as I'm sure you've noticed here and tdiclub, these aren't Hondas. They do have some idiosyncrasies that many Hondaphiles find annoying and the dealers are borderline hopeless for service.

    So if you're comfortable with doing the maintenance/repairs yourself, and truly like the Jetta, then it can be a very rewarding vehicle to own. If you typically let a dealer do all your service, then you'll likely grow tired of the monumentally more expensive and incompetent service visits. I have a Honda Odyssey as well and between $20 oil changes and nearly non-existent service requirements, it's a great appliance.

    At 12k miles a year, you're talking about saving $300 in fuel between a 25mpg anybrand/anymodel sedan vs a 35mpg DSG TDI. If you're driving 35k miles a year you'll be shopping a 45mpg manual tranny TDI and then you're saving $100+/month in fuel. My $.10, take it or leave it.
  • esteezeesteeze Posts: 102
    sebring95,

    All of your points are good; the experience probably would be different than that of the typical Honda. The financial argument could go either way... that aside, I've been wanting a Jetta for a while, and I think I have a good opportunity now to get into one and get some reasonable $$$ for my CR-V in the process. I'm in no rush either way, so I can take time to private sell my current vehicle.

    I have a co-worker who is has a VW Golf (not a TDI, mind you), and he's filled me in on the good and bad of local VW service, so I think I know what I'm in for there; generally, I think it's pretty decent locally.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    Sounds like you're a good candidate then. If you really like the Jetta, the mpg is just icing on the cake! Even more so if you happen to drive a gob of miles....
  • cosmocosmo Posts: 203
    Kudos to you for researching the quality of your local VW dealer's service department. All are not bad. I can do without the lazy lot lizards at the local VW/Audi dealer, but I have been very pleased with the service and parts departments for over 25 years. Yeah, they screw up every now and then, like repeatedly over filling the oil in our Passat TDI, but I had Ford and AMC dealers doing that back in the 60's and 70's, so I always check my rigs out after a dealer visit. (I immediately suck it out and have it available whenever a little oil needs to be added.) I've never had a complaint about warranty work or other repairs, and they have treated me well.

    The '06 Jetta TDI is a good car, no matter how many miles you drive a year. Considering day-to-day city and highway driving, the TDI's low end torque and fuel economy have convinced me to forsake gassers as daily drivers. And, we have experienced NO problems with our '06 Jetta TDI in the 11 months we have owned it.
  • tr5066tr5066 Posts: 2
    I have a 05 (new body style) Jetta TDI bought Aug 05 it has 72,000 miles on it now. I get 45 to 50 MPG everyday and drive in south Florida with the ac on all the time. Oil changes are costly because of the special oil but other than that it is a very good car. It replaced a 2002 VW Jetta TDI that had well over 150,000 miles and all I put into that car was about 15 oils changes (every 10,000 miles) 1 set of tires, 1 brake job, and a tail light bulb period.
  • tr5066tr5066 Posts: 2
    If you e-mail vw they will send you a list of the oils that meet the specs. There is about 25 different brands that do meet it. They will give you the brand name and the name on the bottle and the part #. I got the info and shopped around but still ended up getting the oil from VW delear at about $6.25 a litter and the filters are just as cheap at the dealer as Advance Auto or NAPA so I just pick it all up there. I did find that the VW Dealer near my house was selling the oil at over $10.00 per liter so shop around with the dealers for it. By the way I have over 72,000 miles on my 05 and I also own a Toyota Prius 06 with 10,000 my wife car I like the Jetta more it is twice the car
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    ls there a special startup/turn off procedure? I've heard that it is best to let it idle before turning off if there was a lot of use.

    -Cj
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    Startup: Turn key to "on". Glowplug light will come on. When it goes out, turn key the rest of the way. During temps above 40°F, it doesn't really even need the glowplug warmup. Even in 0°F, it doesn't usually need more than a few seconds of glow.

    Shut-down: The idea is to bring the temperature of the turbo back down to avoid coking the oil This is really only an issue if you've been driving high speeds prior to shut-down. Say if I pull of into a rest area straight off the highway, I'll let it idle for maybe 30 seconds before shutting down. Or just leave it idle...

    I really don't bother with cool-down for most normal driving. By the time you pull off a road and get parked, that's adequate. Just make sure you're using the right synthetic oil.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,756
    I would agree. As a practical matter during a so called shut down procedure as part of a highway rest, stop, you will find the normal "get off" the freeway actions or procedures take/s app 1-2 mins, which happens to be what is usually recommended as a separate "turbo shut down" procedure. Indeed it is near absolutely seamless. So normally as you pull into the actual parking space, the one or two recommended mins. have indeed already clicked off. The rpms (important nexus here) have usually started to go down as you approach the exit ramp (on the freeway) and you can actually start the timed event at that point. All you are really doing is just becoming aware of what you actually ALREADY are doing.
  • smdtdismdtdi Posts: 31
    I need to get new tires soon.

    I have a 2005 Jetta TDI Wagon with about 44,000 miles on it..

    The Original tires are the Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus, which are very expensive at approximately $600 installed for a full set.

    I could get a set of Bridgestone Potenza G009 for about $400 installed, or a brand called Fuzion HRi for aboot $320 installed.

    Both of these tires got good reviews on the tirerack site.

    Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
  • smdtdismdtdi Posts: 31
    My fuel filler door broke off yesterday.

    I had to stretch the fuel filler hose to reach the vehicle, and the tension on the hose caused it to retract from the vehicle, breaking off my fuel door in the process.

    I was unable to repair the hinge on the fuel door, but it is easy to replace the entire door assembly

    Is there somewhere online where I can purchase a replacement, or do I need to buy one at the dealer?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,891
    I had mine replaced under warranty. The guy at the gas station in Oregon broke it in exactly the same manner. They come primed and you would have to match the paint is the only problem. That is a flimsy design for sure. Should be metal IMO.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    My goodness that is a lot of money for tires. I expect that you also noted that the Michelin tires have NO milage warantee whatsoever.

    Does your TDI have >15 inch wheels? My 15inch tires were about $85 each. (INCLUDING alignment and lifetime rotation services!)

    The only tire I use on all my vehicles is Nokian.

    I am currently running the Nokian "WR" on my TDI because it is one of the very few "all weather" tires that is rated for use in snow. My pickup truck has Nokian Vativva. Nokian also makes the worlds best snow tire. (The Hakkapeliitta)

    Of course, your tire needs may be different from mine. If you do not drive in snow, Nokian also offers several very good summer tires. My 2 daughters have winter tires on their own wheels, so they use other Nokian tires on their VWs.

    The local tire shop sells more Nokian than any other tire. (and they stock almost every brand of tire) The last time I looked , tirerack.com does not even OFFER Nokian tires!?!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,896
    Nokian tires are hard to come by... I live in a pretty big metro area, and there is only one tire dealer in town that has them. If you live outside the snow belt, there may not be a dealer in your area. I think dealers that carry Nokian get an exclusive marketing area.

    That stated, I also have the Nokian WR on my CR-V. They are very pricy. About the same price as Goodyear TripleTreds. Not sure the last time you priced Nokians, but mine were around $500 including mounting/balancing.

    I bought them for the same reason. Good all-season tires with winter tire capability. The bonus is my size comes H-rated, instead of my standard S-rated tires, and seem to have a little stiffer sidewall and better handling characteristics. Just 3000 miles so far, but I love them.

    But, if you don't need winter tire capability, they may be overkill. 44K miles in two years is quite a bit of driving. I don't think either of your budget choices would be that great if you have to drive a lot of miles, as neither is known for high mileage.

    What size tires are on your Jetta? Maybe we can make some other suggestions.

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  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    That stated, I also have the Nokian WR on my CR-V. They are very pricy.
    Actually, I priced Nokian WRs about 3 weeks ago for BOTH of my daughters vehicles (I was at the shop for a free rotation).... They were about $90 each for the standard 15 inchers which most VWs take. The 16inchers for VW New Beetle were a tad more expensive.... but certainly not outrageous.

    It is unfortuanate that you cannot get Nokian at reasonable prices. It may be their marketing strategy with limited distributerships.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    I also run Nokian WR's for winter, but they would certainly work fine for year-round. I've got 50k miles on these and they were a little less effective this winter, but luckily we didn't get much snow. I run 17's with Pzero's in the fair-weather months so I can take turns at ridiculous speeds. My TDI came with Continental Tourings and they were good for about 40k miles. I looked at replacing them and they were reasonable (a few years ago). Never been a Michelin fan on car tires (truck tires are nice though).
  • smdtdismdtdi Posts: 31
    Thanks for the input folks.

    My 2005 Jetta TDI GLS Wagon has the standard 195/65HR15 wheels/tires.

    I do have to drive in snow occasionally. Last month, a made it up a few steep hills in a foot of snow (thanks to traction control). I might add that I BARELY made it up these hills.
  • smdtdismdtdi Posts: 31
    Thanks for the input.

    My vehicle has 44K miles, so it should still be under warranty.
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