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VW Jetta TDI

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  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    The 09 TDI has a 2.0L engine, previous years were 1.9.

    In the recall notice it also mentioned TFSI, but I have no idea what that means.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    09 Tdi has the following engine (that is what I have):

    • Turbo compressor
    • 1,968 cc 2.0 liters in-line 4 front engine with 81.0 mm bore, 95.5 mm stroke, 16.5 compression ratio, overhead cam and four valves per cylinder
    • Diesel fuel
    • Diesel common rail fuel system
    • 14.5 gallon main diesel fuel tank 12.1
    • Power: 104 kW , 140 HP SAE @ 4,000 rpm; 236 ft lb , 320 Nm @ 1,750 rpm
  • shriftyshrifty Posts: 255
    The recall mentioned an engine with 147 kW, so I would then assume that they are not referring to the TDI, so it appears that we are ok.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,853
    Another designation is CBEA.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    I have a nephew that is a repair tech for a VW dealership. He was actually recruited by the dealership and moved from a different state to the VW dealership he now works at. I asked him after he had been there about a year if I should buy a new 08 Jetta or the Mazda6 I was looking at. He said I should buy the Mazda if repairs and breakdown are a concern. He also mentioned that most repairs on a VW are about double most Japanese cars.

    I was really hoping that he would have said the VW because I really liked the solidness and handling but I bought the Mazda6 instead. In two years and 33,000 have not had one trip to the dealer other than routine maint. Absolutely nothing had to be fixed or adjusted which to me is pretty amazing.

    I am still looking at the 09 TDI as I have another vehicle that needs replacing in the near future. I'll talk to him soon now that he has three years on the job and find out if his opinion has changed.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I had a Mazda, before Subaru. It's a fine car but the quality is dropping (from what I hear). As far as I know (and I can attest to that being previously owner of one or more of the following) I would rate the quality and design of Japanese cars as follows:
    1. Honda (and their derivates such as Acura)
    2. Toyota (and their derivates such as Lexus)(my son works for Toyota HQ in Torrance, Calif.)
    3. Subaru
    4. Nissan (and their derivates such as Infinity)(formerly Datsun - changed name because of chronic rusting problems)
    5. Mitsubishi
    6. Mazda
    7. Suzuki
    8. Isuzu (no more)

    From all of the above I like Subaru the most.
    My first car was a French Simca Aronde, I went through several Citroens (loved those), Renaults, Peugeots, etc. The worst: Land Rover Discovery although I was one of the first owners of Land Rover in the U.S. - that car Land Rover - was impossible to sell (in Calif), Oh well...
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "VW I think has decreased costs and increased build quality"

    I too have read that VW claims that the Jettas have been too costly to produce and have figured out a way to build them faster and cheaper.

    Somehow this disturbs me. Faster and cheaper is what got the Big 3 into the worst decade of Crapper Cars we have ever seen.

    From reading all the Consumer Reports on the problomatic DSG and indeed the dual clutch system failures in the manual transmissions, makes me wonder how building them faster and cheaper will make them any better.

    I think I will wait for the new Jettas coming out this fall to see how this all works out.

    I like the look of the new front end, standard Bluetooth, more sound deadening, nicer steering wheel controls and better interior materials.

    And car gossip has it that a real overhaul from the frame up is in store for 2011 Jettas.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,853
    Constant improvement is definitely a "process".

    With one 03 VW @ 119,000 miles and 6 years old I will let you know in 5/6 years how the 2009 VW fairs. Hopefully the 03 will be 11/12 years old.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    If I do buy the Jetta TDI at some point, I'm going to do so with full knowledge that it'll probably be on a tow truck a couple of times during its warranty period. I think that between my own knowledge of mechanics and my determination to get the dealer to perform first time every time, I might be okay. A lot of problems associated with the Jetta are due to owner's experience and dealers' laziness. So I can tighten THAT part up. But I can't of course, anticipate how VW screwed the car together in the first place.

    Last new car I had was a Scion wagon, and that thing never even burped. A friend owns it now, at about 60,000, and it's never been in for a warranty claim--it doesn't even rattle and we got 40,000 out of the cheesy tires.

    So yeah, I'm kinda spoiled, but I'll suck it up for TDI benefits. The only deterrent would be if MINI came out with a turbo diesel Clubman wagon. That's a formidable competitor to the TDI Sportwagon.

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  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I must have missed something - don't see (on this website and other blogs) that many Tdi owners being towed due to mechanical breakdowns.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    I'm viewing the car as a Jetta with a diesel engine, not as a separate car--so I'm looking at all Jetta stats, not just TDI stats.

    But you are right in that a TDI doesn't have an ignition system per se nor is it subject to the sludge issues of the other engines, so that may account for better reliability right there.

    Nonetheless, there are certainly TDI complaints to be found on the Internet, (as with any car you can name) and some of them are not pretty. Mostly electrical it seems like, dealer complaints, and complaints of high maintenance, --seem to dominate the list.

    You know, the normal ups and downs of man vs. machine.

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  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    I second that ... Jetta's electrical problems (in the past) were quite common.
    I know quite a few people that were frustrated with non-essential (non-tow truck though) electrical problems with various accessories such as windows, etc.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,853
    ..."I'm viewing the car as a Jetta with a diesel engine, not as a separate car--so I'm looking at all Jetta stats, not just TDI stats.

    But you are right in that a TDI doesn't have an ignition system per se nor is it subject to the sludge issues of the other engines, so that may account for better reliability right there. "...

    Right now the "advantage/disadvantage" is the 09 VW TDI does not have much history. The real places you have to look are the ww markets and probably more true, the European markets. There will be HUGE translation issues and I do not mean language.

    I performed the research late 2002 early 2003 for the 2003 Jetta TDI and concluded that most issues were for lack of a better word ,"gasser related".

    This is where the "constant" improvement process paid some dividends for VW and in effect were indicators that in effect let me feel more comfortable taking a "leap".

    So for example tires, brake pads, rotors, shocks/struts were still questions/issues. Hind sight and experience leaves me more than happy. "Crappy" tires lasted 112,300 miles. Brake rotors/pads @ 119,000 miles appear to be at slighty more than "half". Shocks and struts and applicable hardware will probably be changed @ the 200,000 to 250,000 mark. I did not need an alignment at 112,300 miles even as I got one @ 100,000 miles as I was intensely curious as to how it fared and was offered a special. It gets absolutely THE best mileage and I can get whatever mileage at will. (44 to 62 mpg) I normally drive to yield 48-52 mpg. Of late I have been doing "Italian" and with the A/C blasting to boot, so yield has been LOW (48 mpg). I did do the recommended TB/WP change @ 100,000, even as very close inspection indicated a min of 20,000 more would be just fine. I am swagging 400,000 500,000 miles from the "crappy" dual mass clutch. If not, $725. will buy a V6 Sachs clutch (single mass) upgrade.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    Yes but you are a database of 1. Internet information for the average consumer does not paint such a hopeful future for VW buyers. It's not GRIM by any means, but it's definitely "iffy".

    If the reliability ratings are "average" and you got a great car, then maybe I'll get a turkey, so we'll achieve "average" that way?

    But I think I'm willing to roll the dice.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,853
    Well I did say that right up front!!?? Ultimately the only one one cares about is...??
    Also I looked at the ODDS of me getting a "GREAT" car and truthfully getting one would have greatly defied the odds. I think as a result, I got a statistically "average" car. I can of course, NOT prove either scenario.

    This might be off topic, but a very high percentage of MY 2006 Civic's (since I got a 2004 MY) have had HUGE and horrible rear end issues. I understand the corrective actions in a high percentage of cases have not corrected the "corrections" !!?? Honda Civic's have not suffered from bad "reliability ratings" :surprise:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    Ratings are very important these days to a car's image and its success.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,853
    Are you leaning towards the 6 spd manual or 6 spd DSG?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    6 speed I think. I have yet to drive a new one, so we'll see. I'm not at all opposed to automatics with diesel engines--in fact, in some ways I think even the DSG arrangement would enhance the driving characteristics of a diesel. But I like the lower MSRP of the 6 speed and also being able to push start the car and/or tow it, etc. Simpler the better, in other words. I was also thinking of waiting for a lease deal from VW, if it ever happens.

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  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,232
    Well if you look at the best reliability ratings compared to the worst...it's not all that bad. A couple problems over a few years....the Jetta is such a nicer car than most anything that can compete from a fuel mileage stand point. Of course a lot has to do with buying the appropriate vehicle. I wouldn't buy the diesel if you only drive low mileage trips or around town. A hybrid (or small gasser) would be a better choice. Out on the road though, it's just hard to compete with a diesel. I looked very close at getting back into a TDI a few weeks back. A dealer in Philadelphia is selling them for $1,200 under invoice....but the economics of running a second vehicle just still don't make sense at this point. I'm only driving at max, 20k per year and still need a good 4x4 truck on many days. It just makes financial sense to run the truck 100% of the time even with the deep discounts and tax credit. Maybe when my truck gets older and isn't depreciating as much and I don't want to drive it as often, it will make more sense. '09 TDI is an awesome care though and the six-speed manual is the way I would go. The DSG just kind of bugged me.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    "Crappy" tires lasted 112,300 miles. Brake rotors/pads 119,000 miles appear to be at slighty more than "half".

    In over 50 years of driving and over 35 vehicles I've never had a set of tires or brakes last anywhere near as long and I think I've had some pretty good tires at times. Maybe the experience you have with your vehicle is due in large part to the way you drive and maintain your vehicle. If I had to describe my driving habits/maint habits it would be average. To go over 100k on a set of tires and brakes you must drive very, very gently and in a straight line most of the time.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    $ 1,200 under invoice??? I think you wanted to say "under MSRP", right?
    I don't think any dealer in right mind would sell a car for $ 1,200 below his cost!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    Where have you been? Check Fitzmall.com prices on TDIs, Hyundais, etc. They sell just about every vehicle under "factory invoice". TDIs are sold for $1000-1500 under invoice. Most dealers make their money through used cars, backshop, parts and then new cars in that order. They make money on new cars by selling volume and getting money back from the manufacturers for hitting sales numbers which are in addition to "dealer money" that is known. Happens day in/day out. Nearly every car any GM dealer is selling right now is well below factory invoice and I'm not talking about MSRP.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,853
    Thanks for the kind words. Part of it was the selection of the TDI for the combination of daily commute and weekend longer distance touring travel. For the first 3 or so years, the yearly mileage was 15,000 commute and 10,000 weekend (25,000 miles per year) . The younger one was involved in school and club basketball, so it was almost literally every weekend (during the seasons) somewhere in WA, OR, CA, NV. This is not to mention joining the older one at college for scheduled lunches over 4 years (600 mile round trip in a day)
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "Where have you been? Check Fitzmall.com prices on TDIs, Hyundais, etc. They sell just about every vehicle under "factory invoice"

    You are right about the Fitzmall discounts, but they must be getting so popular that they have decided to grab a thousand more on each $ale now.

    I printed out a deal from a month ago and am now kicking my @@s for not following up on it.

    Still a little under the Invoice of $24,138 but the deal last month it was $3,500 under invoice.

    Candy White
    DSG
    Steering wheel controls
    PWR sunroof
    Rubber mat package.
    $20,626
    invoice number VO71644

    Same set up now, $22.321

    Still better than your local VW and a good number to throw on the Sales managers desk when you get the song and dance ...

    "Can't gettum, all sold out, no deals, take a number"

    In fact the Montana VW Stealership in Great Falls is using what they call a "Side Sticker" a stip of B$ added to the MSRP that adds an extra $2,000!

    You could have a new 09 delivered right to your door from Fitzmall, pay for the shipping and still save thousands.
  • iwant12iwant12 Posts: 269
    My wife has an 05 Mazda 6 4 cyl. with 31K on the clock with no problems whatsoever. Recently had to replace the Michelins, which must be of a soft compound. She had a Sebring conv. before with Michelins that got 50K before they needed replacing (and 3 a/c units and a slew of other parts). All in all, the 6 is a great car. I too like the VW's, especially the TDI Sportwagen. But the reliability issues scare me. A friend at work had a bug that needed a new starter. VW replaced the entire engine. My wife's 6 gets 28 mpg Hwy, which I find somewhat disconcerting for a 4 banger.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    Yeah, I thought I just read recently where someone did just that....had a car shipped from Fitzmall to thier home I believe in the Midwest somewhere. Saved thousands like you said. Figures they would raise prices as they were killing everybody big time. They had a bunch at one time. I was checking out thier CC's also and they had some real deals and then the inventory shrank and no more deals. Oh well, supply and demand at work. Aint capitalism great!

    Around Chicago the dealers tried that additional markup B$ and cars just sat. There is too much competition to get away with that for too long here but where there is one dealer for every 100 miles or so I can see where they would get greedy. But you know what? They sell em for as much as they can get and we try to buy as low as we can and we don't care if they are hurting either. So it all works out I guess.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    That's strange. My '07 Mazda6 is also an I4 and it consistently gets between 31-33 hwy. I took about 4 rts (about 800 miles each) Chicago/Minneapolis last year and each time got those numbers. That is pretty straight hwy at about 70-75mph using cruise with only a rest/meal stop. Winter mpg drops a little with the formula. We run about 10% ethanol blend around the midwest which also drops mpg a tad. You should be getting a little better unless you drive with a real heavy foot as I don't really baby it. You're right though about it being a great car. I don't think I ever had a more trouble free car knock on wood.

    I've had a two VWs(Kharmon Ghia and Fastback in the late 60s and early 70s) that had problem after problem but I was young and literally drove the $$$$ out of them. So much so that I really have to blame the problems on me and not the cars. In fact, they held up pretty good considering. I would not use any experience from that long ago in a buying decision today anyway.
  • jogousajogousa Posts: 402
    Where was I ? I was 35 years in Southern California.... shipping to the West Coast kills the deal from Fitzmall (and I don't think they ship there anyway). There is also problem with tinted glass - most cars on the East Coast don't come with it while almost all cars on the West Coast have it as standard. Bought several cars in Fl and none of them had tinted glass....
  • dice4dice4 Posts: 9
    I have noticed that the prices at fitzmall have been creeping up. I mentioned it to the sales maneger, she didnt give me an appropiate response over internet. I have the printouts. When I am ready to purchase I will deal with this. Currently in Panama, but when I lived in Kalispell I always purchased in Washington through costco. I gave dealers a chance in GF billings etc, they always acknowledged it was great trying to purchase in state but never would come close to price I was offered.I will purchase in MD when I return and drive back to Kalispell. Hope I dont experence any problems with DSG. The difference in cost will pay for week in DC and travel back. Wife has never been to states so it will all be an adventure
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,965
    I have found Oregon dealers hungry and ready to deal in the past on VW. Armstrong VW for one was very good to deal with. Picked me up at the Portland airport. You could license to your home in Florida and drive it in CA. Save on that horrendous CA sales tax and license fees. They show 26 Jetta TDI models in stock today. Including 2 Sportwagens.

    Armstrong VW
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