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Legacy GT Limited vs. Acura TSX and TL

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    No way would I agree with that statement, and I've driven both. I guess it depends on you definition of driveability...

    Bob
  • I guess its a matter of personal preference. I felt like the Legacy GT was more like a family car gone sporty and the TSX more of a true sports car with 4 doors. Don't miss understand me the Legacy is a great deal and I would buy one tomorrow for my wife, but not for me.
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    I would agree with Bob. The Honda MT is a little 'slicker' (is that a word?) than the GT, but not significantly. There's no way a fwd TSX has better handling than the awd GT, and then if you look at hp and torque, the GT is in a totally different league.

    The legacy may be a family car gone sporty (who cares? some of us have families with kids- who love riding in my car by the way) but the TSX is an Accord (epitome of family car?) rebadged and come to America- certainly not a sports car.

    I've been slowly pushing the cornering limits of my GT and am getting a little scared because it's got power and it can corner and I don't know what it's limits are yet (I did get it to understeer a little going into a sharp turn too fast though). No, it's not an RX-8 (no power, but handles well) but fun to push into the corners and see what you can get away with. No way you can to the same things with a fwd TSX.

    Once again, the TSX is a nice car, I'm thinking about getting one for my father, but if your definition of driveability is sporty, what's your definition of sporty? ;-)

    tom
  • I give up. The GT wins. I'll go buy two (his and hers) tomorrow.

    That way my wife will be able to speed past your dad off the line.
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    She wouldn't need a GT to speed past my dad. A bicycle would do ;-)!

    Please don't take offense. Just posting opinions. Like I said, I like the TSX, it's just not a comparable car any more than a GT would be comparable to the new M5.

    I think I'll be quiet for a while.

    tom
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hey folks, we are here to discuss our differing opinions - that's what this conversation is all about.

    No need to "be quiet for a while" and conversely, no need for anyone to take these posts personally.

    We're all entitled to our opinions, and all opinions are welcome here.

    IOW, it's all good.

    :-)
  • OK I feel better now. They are both different cars, and both great values. I can buy the TSX for 25.2, and my guess is the GT limited will run 29ish?? So perhaps we are comparing apples to oranges.

    Car and Driver loves the TSX but it wouldn't surprise me to see the GT on their top ten list next year. I guess I am still up in the air on which one to buy. To really confuse things, what I really want is a BMW 330xi, but that would run 36-38.
  • kenjabikenjabi Posts: 76
    To really confuse things, what I really want is a BMW 330xi, but that would run 36-38.

    36-38 for a 330xi? Where are you finding that? I mean, I guess it's technically possible, but it seems every new 330xi I've seen on lots has at least the premium package, automatic, and metallic paint, so they're stickering for more than 42.5k. Even with the current BMW incentives, you're still looking at ~40k.

    I probably won't be in the market for a new car for another year or two, but two cars that I'm already looking at are the Legacy GT and 330i. But I've pretty much resigned to the fact that if I wan't the 330, I'll have get it used to stay in my budget. Oh well, by the time I'm ready to buy, the new 3-series will probably be out, and I have a feeling I won't like it as much anyway.
  • I've seen some comments that suggest the 2005 Legacy GT should be a good vehicle for driving in snow. I live in upstate NY, and my experience has been that low profile tires such as the ones that are standard on the GT are always miserable in snow on FWD vehicles. Does AWD make enough of a difference, or will the Legacy GT still require 4 snow tires to be safe?
                                            Mel
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    will make Legacy safer. AWD helps you to go forward, some even say to make turns but nobody says it helps in slowing down.

    Krzys
  • Thought I would drop in my 2 cents on a few issues to gather opinions.

    First, in the market for a new sports sedan, my wife and I drove:
    2004 BMW 325i auto
    2004.5 Volvo S40 T5 auto
    2004 Nissan Maxima 3.5 SE auto
    2004 Acura TL manual
    2004 Acura TSX manual
    2005 M-B 230 Kompressor sedan auto
    2004 Cadillac CTS auto
    2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP auto

    We were on our way to test the Lexus IS300 when we decided to stop in to the Subaru dealership to check out the Forester XT since I had seen what I believed to be nearly impossible performance numbers out of a station wagon/SUV.
    We immediately saw and fell in love with the Legacy GT. What an improvement over the past Subaru's styling. Very sporty and mature. Not just for the young go fast crowd like the WRX, but will work with them as well.
    Of all the aforementioned cars I drove the Subaru blew them away on performance. I was working to not redline the car in every gear! It wanted to RUN!
    The only comparible car in my opinion was the TL because it just had a lot of muscle. However, the driving experience was totally different. In the TL, I felt disassociated with the road and the feel was not there. The Legacy was in touch with the road, communicating very well, while not making me feel every bump.
    I would say for the money there is no better sports sedan on the road today.
    PLUS, if you lease one (we did) you get free scheduled maintenance for 3/36. Only BMW matches that right now.

    Also, I finally saw performance numbers at 5.8 sec 0-60. I feel this must be high. I will await the C&D impressions to be sure.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Congratulations!! I agree with all your comments spot-on.

    Craig
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Posts: 55
    I agree and have purchased a GT LTD.Instead of maxima I compared the G35x but the interior of the Infiniti was it's downfall.Is it me or do all Nissan interiors look the same?I hated the look of the steering wheel buttons.I would have been content with the TL,TSX or G35x but I have a big smiley on my face when I go to work now.

    There was an article in our newspaper written about the G35x and it mentioned the only other awd car close to it in terms of performance/price/features was the Legacy GT but it had "less standard equipment".The writer forgot to compare the GT LTD with the G35x as he quoted the non LTD price.I almost felt like writing to the newspaper.

    Am chomping at the bit to go over 4000 revs and really enjoy using steering wheel buttons to shift.Only complaint so far is the lack of storage e.g. no sunglass holder.I use the cigarette tray as the coin holder.

    SAYONARA HONDA/ACURA....HELLO SUBARU...I GET IT NOW
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I like those brochures, too.

    Kevin: we had a 626 sedan for our last car, and even though the seats split-folded, it's just not half as versatile as the Legacy wagon that replaced it. At least in our experience.

    Having the wider opening of a wagon/hatch plus the roof rack is nice, and honestly those would be hard to give up now.

    Boxers have a characteristic growl that's an essential part of their character, but the turbo actually smoothes it out a little, so IMO it's very mellow sounding. Aftermarket exhausts could address that, but I'd keep it stock for the quiet ride.

    3 series are nice but they nickel-and-dime you with options that Acura makes standard on their base models and Subaru includes in their Limited models. You just get much better value with the Japanese duo.

    G35x only comes with an automatic, which is a real bummer.

    -juice
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "In the TL, I felt disassociated with the road and the feel was not there."

    That is very true indeed. Driving the TL is more visual than tactile, more so than any Honda model in my past experience. I guess there has to be a trade-off when you make a car more luxurious.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    IMO, the Legacy has one glaring omission if Subaru wants it to compete head-on with TL, G35, or the Germans -- memory seat for driver.
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Posts: 55
    You're not actually going to let someone else drive are you?:)I don't consider memory seat important at all.
    If you just compare awd vehicles the G35x makes you pay $2500 cdn more for premium package which then gets you sunroof,memory seat,dual zone climate contol which makes it 3k more than GT before taxes.
    On the day I picked up my car I saw 3 TL's and 2 G35's whereas before I would only see 1 of each a week.

    ps I got great service at Burrard Infiniti and North Shore Acura but indifferent/no service at Burrard Acura this time around.In fact all the dealers I dealt with were adequate or above average while Burrard Acura didn't seem to care at all about their attitude problem.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru will gradually add a couple of features each year, it's what they've always done.

    My '98 Forester lacks about 10-12 things that the current ones have. I bet things like memory seats will be added to the Legacy.

    Nav is supposed to arrive next model year and on several models.

    FWIW, the Outback has some things standard that the Acura MDX lacks or offers only as an option. Basically Subarus are equipped for snow duty, so things like heated seats, heated mirrors, and windshield wiper de-icers are standard even on the base Outback and Legacy GT.

    Acuras are equipped for luxury duty, so they offer some extras but also lack the built-for-snow options that Subaru offers (AWD first and foremost).

    -juice
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Actually I let no one else drive my car, but I have a quirky use for memory seats. I have one setting for winter and one setting for summer, and I switch remotes with the seasons. The reason is that I need slightly different seat positions for winter/summer due to the bulky clothing in the winter. Also, when you take your car in for service, with memory seats, you don't have to spend 10 minutes afterwards re-adjusting everything.

    As for Burrard Acura, I have actually been very pleased with their sales and service departments. I've been dealing with Katherine Grey and Stanley Fung in sales who have been super. I've also chatted with a couple of the other sales reps and they seemed pretty good too. So I'm kinda surprised you didn't get good service from them.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    10 minutes only if you have slow-moving power seats. Our 626 had those and I found them to be annoyingly slow. I actually prefer manual sliders.

    I think the base Legacy GT has those, but the GT Ltd has power seats (please correct me if I'm wrong).

    -juice
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