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  • waygrabowwaygrabow Posts: 209
    We went on a trip to western Colorado last week with our MS6. Took HWY 50 most of the distance, a two-lane state road winding through several mountain ranges and valleys. It was warm enough that the A/C was on much of the time, and the car was carrying about 500 pounds of passengers and luggage. I filled the tank twice, 24.5 gallons for 702 miles; that is about 28.5 mpg average. Really enjoyed its performance.
  • artourartour Posts: 22
    I have had my ms6 since 3/2006 and except for 2 breakdowns,
    I really like the car. I leased it for 24 months with 20,000 miles a year = 40,000 miles total. After 16 months, I now have almost 22,000 miles. The car is now selling for around $24,000 (it's a gt) and my buyout is around $16,000 + $3,100 payments = $19,000 which means I own more of the car than it's payoff. I'm thinking about a Legacy spec B or maybe keeping the speed6. The only thing about keeping it is the 2 major breakdowns - fuel pump went after 13 months and computer module went in May.
    Should I keep the Mazda (all staying equal and no more breakdowns) or should I pick up the Subaru in July/August with Subaru offering $3000 towards the lease buy out then?
    The Subaru is faster, but the ride is nowhere as tight and fun as the Mazda - lighter suspension, easier clutch, missing some of the cool options like keyless, hids etc.
  • stkntrafficstkntraffic Posts: 172
    Why do you need to do anything right now? The breakdowns were covered under warranty. If the car continues to have problems, you can walk away when the lease is up.

    I'm also a little wary of your numbers... go into a CarMax or better yet, go to a Mazda dealer and ask them what your car is worth.

    The flexibility of a lease really only comes into play at the end... you can walk away, or if it's really worth more than the buyout, buy it yourself and then trade/sell it and get something else. I wouldn't get too worried about current Subaru offers... something is always on sale, and there may be even better deals next March.
  • whitfocwhitfoc Posts: 1
    I have an 06 Speed6 with roof and navi 11K miles. The original tires lasted about 10K miles. I do not do my oil oil changes. I get about 24.5 mpg in the Speed if I keep my foot out of it. The ride is similar to the 05 TL we also own. I have test drove the TSX as a loaner when the TL was in for service. Nice car, a little short on punch. The TL is a nice car, much better navi than in the Speed. Materials quality is better in the Acura as well (hence it is a luxury nameplate). Things like the carpet and dash materials are superior in the Acura. The Acura has horrible torque steer and feels a little frumpy behind the wheel compared to the Mazda. If you are going for fun/performace factor go with the Speed. If you want luxury and better electronic toys (navi and bluetooth) go with the TL.
  • I have been driving a Millenia S for almost 5 years and it has been ultra reliable. 113,000 miles and going strong. I get 25 mpg with premium fuel. I happened to see on Auto Blog last week that they were discontinuing the Speed6 for 08. Had read some articles on it but I never focused too much on it because I am happy with my car.

    After reading about 1,500 posts on this forum and some others, as well as about 10 professional reviews, I decided to test it. The main criticism has been the operation of the clutch. I was expecting to have major problems with it as I haven't driven a standard in almost 5 years. (I previously owned a 5 speed Contour for 5 years.) Yes, it took a little getting used to but I thought it was certainly acceptable. I think in a week I could master it 100%. So if you are a potential buyer, I would not let this issue dissuade you from test driving it.

    The acceleration was sensational especially in 3rd gear as you would expect. As many others have pointed out, it was very quite which was surprising. I believe it was quieter than my car.

    The big negative was the interior. The black plastic on the doors, etc. looked very thin and cheap like what you would see in a Dodge or Chevy pick-up truck. This was the Sport model but I was told the GT has the same plastic. Wasn't impressed with the console either. My car has much better appointments. Of course it cost more than this one 5 years ago. However for a $30,000 car it was a major disappointment. For a lower price, I could live with it. (I have just posted on the Prices Paid thread, what they offered to sell it to me for.)

    I also discussed with them adding a cold intake unit and whether it would void the warranty per the Mazda Accessories Book as it has an orange coded warranty and it is not suppose to be used on the highway. They said they would honor it. Does anyone know more about this?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    The CAI is coded Green for warranty. Yo may be looking at an older MS Accessories book. The current one has a white cover.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    However for a $30,000 car it was a major disappointment. For a lower price, I could live with it

    Keep in mind, this is a performace sedan, not a luxury sedan like your Millenia. You are paying $30000 for the performance. Look at the STi's and EVO's, they demand well over $30K and they are basically stripped in the interior!

    Show me a vehicle that gets the performance of a Mazdaspeed6, in it's class, and is as well appointed?
  • On another forum someone compared the Speed6 to the Subaru GT. Apparently much better interior, AWD system, crash worthiness and reliability For $25K the Speed 6 is probably a good deal but not sure if could with that plain interior.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The Speed6 and Leg GT are a direct comparo. The interior is not any better in the Leg GT then the MS6 GT(I'm in both every day). AWD system? Yes, Subaru has a more advanced AWD system, but does that translate into better handling? No. Numerous tests have shown that the Mazdaspeed6 is the better road handler.

    I currently own a 2002 Impreza 2.5 RS that has had an abundance of issues, and only 64K on the clock.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    Subaru had some issues with the 2.5l Phase I engine. Since 2003, I haven't seen anything negative about the durability or reliability of the Subaru.
    I have never seen anything negative about the manual transmission vehicles either.
    I have heard the early (2006) MS6s had some software issues but nothing major there either.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Yes, that has been my understanding as well.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Speed6 appeals to enthusiasts as does Legacy GT and the Speed6 tends to have a younger, more "agressive" driving ownership demographic. Either vehicle will develop issues when abused. Speed6 gets more abuse.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    interesting POV
  • A local dealer has about 5 GT's, very tempted to buy one if I can get some type of deal. I missed the boat by not knowing about this when they were discounting the 06s. Much better warranty and cheaper. Canadian Driver just had a review and listed the major reliability problems. Recommended the Subaru because of better reliability but I have never liked Subarus that much.

    Also J.D. Powers only gave 2 stars out of 5 for the Mazda 6. I believe this was for the 2004 model year. The Buick Regal and Century were rated very high. (Who is the Bozo at GM who killed these cars?)Consumer Reports states that all Mazda 6 models are at least average. Its a crap shoot anyway, you could have no problems or many problems.

    I would have to have a loaner arrangement as I heavily rely on my car and travel 20,000+ miles per year. Also the dealership is in the wrong direction from where I work. :confuse:
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    Keep in mind that the Mazda 6 (NA model) is different than the Speed 6 (which is made in Japan). Yes, they basically have the same shell but the engine, suspension and all mechanical components are different. I don't rely on JD Powers for any of my car research. And alot has changed from the 2004 to 2006 models anyway.

    You want the best source for reliability issues, go to where customer talk about it, go to a forum like Mazda 6 Club dot com. ;)
  • late8late8 Posts: 7
    I own a 2006 Mazdaspeed6 GT w/ sunroof (01/06 build) with 32,000 miles on the clock and as expected I 'm dealing with a few early production bugs which Mazda has covered repairs under my factory warranty.

    1st issue was the clutch TSB (tech. service bulletin) for a "hard to engage" problem which Mazda replaced some springs and replaced the pressure plate related to the clutch and the outcome was great. It was like driving a new car again.

    2nd issue was excessive smoke at idle. Mazda recognized this issue stemming from the turbo seals and replaced the turbocharger. My car pulls even harder now with no smoke and I didn't realize the lack of diminished power the old turbo presented.

    3rd issue was a TSB concerning a shutter valve solenoid which was replaced and two emission related re-flashes to the ECU. The result of the two reflashes helped smooth out acceleration but my car continues to have a slight studder in 6th gear @ 2-3k rpms

    4th issue was a leaky transfer case that had gear oil seeping down the front differential. Mazda recognized this problem as "poreous casting issues" and replaced the entire transfer case and the right front axle housing.

    I hope for my sake the bugs are all worked out now. I still love this car and it is a blast to drive. The AWD is a saving grace during wet conditions which makes up for the lack luster interior.
  • I'm a proud owner of a ms6 just a little over 10,000 miles not a single problem with it, must of got a good one. Purchased in El Paso Tx. but moved to Iowa boy does it love this cold weather. :)
  • waygrabowwaygrabow Posts: 209
    Glad you enjoy the MS6 so much. AWD, anti-lock brakes, and stability control are nice to have in the snow (in addition to its inherently excellent handling). I went skiing here in Colorado this week, on the heels of a snow storm, to catch the fresh powder. I drove about 300 miles on snowy roads and witnessed three accidents due to the conditions but felt fairly confident and very comfortable in my MS6.
  • late8late8 Posts: 7
    New issues have surfaced with my '06 MS6 GT. My dealer is covering all of the new issues under warranty.

    5th issue was a rattle upon cold start up. Fix: V V T TSB (retaining pin not engaging) Dealer replacing V V T and heat treated the pin retaining hole.

    6th issue was low fuel pressure from the cam driven high pressure fuel pump causing lean conditions under load. Fix: Dealer replaced OEM HPFP with updated OEM pump and reflashed the PCM to improve the drive current from pump.

    7th issue was a crank pulley bolt TSB. Fix: Dealer replaced crank bolt and re-timed the engine.
  • stkntrafficstkntraffic Posts: 172
    Sorry you've had so much trouble. My 06 MS6 Sport has been completely problem-free since I bough it new 18 months ago. But I think I mine may be the exception not the rule.
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