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Diesel MiniVans



  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    Add one more to that list.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    One can buy a 7-9 seat minivan with a 4 cyl diesel that gets 35-40 mpg in every other market in the world.

    Now that sulphur is disappearing from our diesel, where's mine?
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    This would be nice with the 2.0 diesel - 8.1112811827@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddefkiflhfcfngcfkmdfkidffi.0&navRoot=toyota_root&portal=- - null&edname=Previa+Intro&catname=%2ftoyota_root%2fTopNav%2fNew+Cars&zone=Zone+PREVIA&menui- - d=112360
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Combined fuel economy with the 2.0 manual 39.2!!!!!!
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271

    32 mpg with the 2.0 diesel.
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Test drove a Liberty Diesel luv that torque! What a beauty to drive. DCX is missing the boat that motor in the mini-van would make any the of gas v-6's options feel like a slug. Cub weight on the Liberty I believe close to that of the vans, it's almost the same as a Grand Cherokee. That Liberty has a robust chasis underneath. But I need the interior for the kids.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Most citizens of the United States do NOT like diesel powered vehicles. The obnoxious noise and odor of diesel is not worth the money saved in fuel costs until fuel gets much more expensive than it now is.
    I would NOT buy a diesel powered minivan, pickup, or sedan. :sick:
  • And that is what I love about this country......freedom of choice. I would love to see a diesel minivan...maybe a Town and Country with the 2.7L from the Liberty CRD or the diesel from the Sprinter, a VW Minivan with the 2.0L TDI-PD....anything would be MINIVAN form (the sprinter doesn't count). I'm still waiting for something like this to be offered for those of us who are big proponents of diesels.

    Most citizens of the United States do NOT like diesel powered vehicles.

    That's a mighty bold statement. You have polled them? ;)

    The obnoxious noise and odor of diesel

    Obviously you have not been around any of the late model (99-present) VW 1.9 TDIs, 2.0 TDIs or the MB CDIs. From 10 feet away you wouldn't know they were a diesel, and the "noise" they emit is not much, if any, louder than a gas just sounds a little different (like a sewing machine). And ODOR? These cars have very little, if any, discernable odor these days

    BTW...Mitsu Galant was replaced by a Passat TDI when it was totalled in Feb......


    03 Ford F350 SuperCrew KingRanch 6.0L Powerstroke
    04 VW Jetta GLS TDI
    05 VW Passat GLS TDI
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Most citizens of the United States do NOT like diesel powered vehicles.

    I would bet that Toyota & Honda would love to sell their very fine diesels in the USA. They probably don't want to buck the plethora of misinformation that is out about modern diesel cars. It is only very recently that gas cars were able to brag that they were not more dangerous pollution wise than diesel cars. Gas is still less environmental friendly as far as GHG. Europeans have their choice of hybrids or diesels. the UK sold only about 1000 Prius last year. In a country that gas and diesel are both about $8 per gallon, diesel is the fuel of choice.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Aha, exactly why so few Americans will buy a diesel powered vehicle. Our fuel is still CHEAP here in the United States compared to Europe. (Average $2.24 per gallon 87 octane vs $8 is cheap).
    Americans will not endure the noise, smell, extra maintenance costs, extra cost for purchase, etc. to drive a diesel as long as fuel remains so cheap here.
  • Our fuel is still CHEAP here in the United States

    Relatively speaking, yes, but look at the media....everyday there is something about the rising costs of fuel and the public, in general, is not happy about how high our gas prices are.

    Americans will not endure the noise, smell

    Didn't we just cover this?......

    extra maintenance costs,

    Such as? Oil Change $60 every 10K miles (with synthetic) vs $21 every 3K miles (with conventional oil) for a gasser. The gasser can use synthetic, but at a price premium. So, oil changes are a wash.

    Everything else, maintenance wise is comparable..brakes, belts, etc. Gotta do that on all cars. Oh, and that diesel will go 300-400K miles......

    extra cost for purchase

    The extra cost is recouped in approximately 36-40K miles (depending on price negotiated) in fuel savings alone, not to mention the higher resale value due to the longevity of the engine (see above)

    drive a diesel as long as fuel remains so cheap here.

    Today I paid $2.15 for diesel...regular unleaded at the same pump was $ I saved $0.09 per gallon AND I get 18MPG average more than a comparably equipped Jetta with a 2.0L gas.

    If diesel isn't for you, then that is fine and I respect that, but your arguments against diesel are all subjective and not factually based....

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    A diesel minivan would be very welcome to me.
  • There is one factor that diesels can offer that gasoline cars cannot - freedom from the terrorist bast***s in the middle east. Yes, we pay a lot less for fuel in America, but what about the human cost? I am working on setting up biodiesel production and running diesel vehicles so I can tell the Arabs to blow off. If buying a diesel meant freedom to conservative America, you can bet they wouldn't stay on the car lots long!
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,271
    I too would love to see us independent of Arab oil (or anyone else's oil for that matter). Logic tells me that we would never be able to produce enough biodiesel ourselves to satisfy all of our needs. Think of the appetites of the bazillion big-rigs that are out there every day. I do remember reading someone saying that we could do it by growing oil-producing algae! Sounds a little weird, but it if would work I'd be willing to convert my freaking swimming pool to a nursery for the little suckers. Meanwhile, keep up the good work. Every gallon of biodiesel is a gallon of independence.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,003
    I have no connection with this company, but:

    Maybe not this specific technology, but in the long run, we need some form of technological innovation (cold fusion?) to solve our energy problems. (I am typing this on a PowerBook that uses between 18-25 watts of power under normal operation, compared to 150+ for my Dell desktop with flat-panel monitor).

    I applaud the advances in diesel technology, but am somewhat dismayed at the diesel Liberty--I was expecting highway mileage in the low, low 30's. I'm not sure that a diesel minivan would get much better mileage than the 28 highway of the Ody Limited with its cylinder deactivation, although I wonder if cylinder deactivation can be adapted to (turbo)diesels.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I'm not sure that a diesel minivan would get much better mileage than the 28 highway of the Ody Limited with its cylinder deactivation

    According to owners of the above mentioned Odyssey, the mileage is not very good. I think an Odyssey with Honda's new diesel would do much better than their new gas engine. Plus have more torque for hauling that heavy vehicle up hills.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Your opinion is typical of the average Uhmerican who thinks Cummins diesel or remembers Aunt Ruth's Oldsmobile with the 350 disaster diesel in it.

    >Americans will not endure the noise, smell,

    You obviously haven't been around a modern diesel, or you just aren't aware that you have been. Watch for those MB's with CGI or VW's with TDI badges. The fact that they are diesel is imperceptible.

    >extra maintenance costs, extra cost for purchase, etc. to drive a diesel as long as fuel remains so cheap here.

    Diesels have much lower maintenance costs because they do not need tuneups. No plugs, wires, rotors, caps etc to worry about. And VW/MB at least charge very little for their TDI/CGI engines.

    Admittedly the fullsize truck diesels are expensive, but towing 10,000 lbs doesn't come cheap.

    BTW Hans, I love Toyota vans. I currently drive a Previa and had one of the old square Toyota vans years ago. However, I won't buy another until an economical engine option is offered. I'm NOT driving around in a V6 that gets 15-19 mpg in town. (I'm also less than impressed with the low rider lack of ground clearance-- even speed bumps are a challenge-- and mommiemallvan interiors on them these days. Give me utility.) My money and I can wait.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    Why can't Toyota (or anybody) offer two different sized vans (I'm not counting the truck based vans). The old Toyota was quite versatile and had a 4-cyl engine to boot. How come it makes sence to have a half dozen SUV's but only 1 minivan in a lineup.
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