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Diesel MiniVans

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    All of those are on the expensive side, though.

    Do any sticker under $30 grand, for instance?

    That's where the volume is.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I would be very surprised if any manufacturer brings a diesel minivan or SUV the the U.S. market for less than thirty thousand anytime soon, if ever. The best deal going (or soon to be going that is) for a diesel family hauler is the 2009 Jetta Sportwagon, and even that will have a base price in the mid twenties. By the time you tart it up a bit, it too will be over thirty thousand (or very near that point).

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, that would make a good 2nd car, but I'm not sure if it's really big enough to be the single big family/trip car.

    A well equipped Tiguan breaks $30k easily so add to that if they bring a TDI.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    Do any sticker under $30 grand, for instance?

    I don't think you can get any hybrid SUV under $30k. The cheapest is probably the Escape hybrid in the low $30ks. The HH is well into the $40k range. And these are very small SUVs. Someone wanting an SUV right now can get some killer deals on new and used SUVs. VW makes a great mini-van with diesel. I see them all the time in San Diego. They all have Mexico plates. I thought I saw one with US Government plates and did not get a second look.
  • It's scary out there, with the price of gas and everything else, who knows what the future may bring. I was just looking in the April 2008 Ward's Auto World (cover "The Endangered Clutch Pedal") and stumbled across a couple of articles on diesel. There are model names and a bit of background on the diesel market in Europe, and this and that, and overall I think there may be something in it for everyone. See if you can find a copy.
  • According to the April 2008 Wards Auto World, for 2009 Honda/Acura lists the following: 2.4L I-4, possibly V-6 Acura TSX, TL or RDX, Honda CR-V and Pilot.

    Toyota for 2010: V-8 Tundra, Sequoia.

    I'm sure they'll be pricey though!

    Good luck!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,664
    We talking Canadian $$?

    Escape hybrid starts under $28k. Vue Hybrid starts ~$26k. (US $)

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I was gonna say...

    Vue actually starts in the $24s, waaaaaaaay below $30 grand.

    I'm staring at an options list right now. Honestly, I don't think you can get one over $30k even if you factory order every single available option. I'm guesstimating but they top out around $28k, it seems.

    Escape hybrid starts at $25,075 for FWD, plus freight. Mariner a tad more. Didn't Mazda get one? Easily under $30k even w/AWD.

    The Touareg II TDI runs $68,320 plus freight for starters. That makes a Tahoe hybrid or RX400H seem downright cheap. You may be able to buy 2 hybrid Highlanders. Close.

    EDIT: Yes, you can actually buy 2, if you don't need a Highlander Limited.

    The Benz GL is 50 something without the diesel, so I'm sure it's more than any Tahoe/RX/HH by far.

    Jeep has the only down-to-earth price. Let me see, the diesel adds 1655 to the Limited, which starts at 35,965 for 2WD, plus freight. So over $38 grand before you add options.

    The Highlander hybrid starts at $33,700 and the Limited is $39,950, add freight for both. Right near the Jeep GC CRD basically, or cheaper if you don't need a Limited.

    Dunno, the diesels don't stack up well in price.

    * Vue & Escape much less than Grand Cherokee CRD

    * HH much less than GC Ltd CRD, but HH Ltd a little more

    * RX & Tahoe hybrid much less than Benz Diesel or Toureg

    The Jeep beats the Highlander Limited, but let's face it, mileage won't even come close, plus diesel costs more. Operating costs will be much higher for the CRD either way.

    Plus I saw gas for $3.79, while diesel was $4.59 and higher in most places. I actually saw $4.10 gas and $4.99 diesel. :cry:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,664
    Huh. You're finding different numbers than me, even. I thought mine seemed high. I seemed to remember them being cheaper. I just looked at Edmunds before my previous post and it said "starting at $xx,xxx," which are the numbers I used.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    I think you and I have a different view of what is and what is not an SUV. FWD CUVs are not SUVs in my book. To each his own. Even the AWD Highlander is suspect as an offroad or towing vehicle. Two of the criteria to get the moniker SUV attached.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,664
    Two of the criteria to get the moniker SUV attached.

    hmmmm... really?
    Who owns the definitive definition to sport-utility vehicle?
    I would think it is anything that is both sporty and has utility. Heck, if I read that a certain way, nothing that is termed an SUV would qualify because I don't find them at all sporty.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • eliaselias Posts: 1,941
    the s in suv is not for sporty like sports car, it's for sport like off-roading. personally i don't think offroading is a real sport like auto racing is. i'm needing increased capacity, maybe will trade my TDI for a gas minivan. Either that or trade my fun-car for a gas minivan. The only diesel "minivan" is the sprinter at double the cost and none of the nifty amenities of the gas minivans they are giving away at dealerships.

    btw, in the new england area the ads for Jeep/Dodge refuel-america plan are inconsistent. some say 87-octane only and/or no-diesel. it actually looks like an interesting offer, especially for anyone considering buying the diesel jeep. maybe it's the dodge diesel pickups which are not included in the plan.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    I don't find them at all sporty.

    I don't either. "Sport Utility Vehicle" does not imply Sporty to me. It is a vehicle used to enhance whatever Sport you may like to do. Fishing, hunting, boating, skiing, camping, etc etc. I suppose someone could argue that a BMW X5 is Sporty as it out handles most cars on the road. For me, when I think of Sporty cars I think Porsche or Ferrari. When I think of SUV it is somewhere in a range from Explorer to Suburban. For me it is a real stretch calling an RX350 an SUV. I am glad they came up with CUV. It covers a lot of wagon type vehicles that cannot perform as I would require an SUV to perform.

    For most people a mini van would be better. And a diesel mini van would be great.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,664
    It is a vehicle used to enhance whatever Sport you may like to do. Fishing, hunting, boating, skiing, camping, etc etc.

    Yet, I don't consider any of those things "sports." :P

    Which still brings me back to my point. Since rarely can people agree what an SUV actually means or does, I call lots of things SUVs. I'll give you one point to think about. If someone's idea of an SUV is that it must be good off-roading, then I contend that a Subaru Forester is a FAR better offroader than a Suburban.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I used Consumer's Guide for pricing so it could be outdated. It's a hard copy, magazine.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, I agree the categorizations are a bit different, but my comparisons are valid for the way 97% of buyers will actually use them.

    I bet the Vue has more room than a Grand Cherokee. Highlander, too.

    If you need to tow, the Tahoe hybrid is actually a good choice. And it's a lot roomier than the Touareg.

    Besides, this is a minivan thread, how are we now getting picky about talking about truck-based SUVs only? LOL ;)

    Plus, anyone browsing this thread is presumably considering a minivan, so an AWD Vue, Escape, or Highlander would be as capable if not more so even for your criteria.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,664
    Besides, this is a minivan thread, how are we now getting picky about talking about truck-based SUVs only? LOL ;)

    ummm... uhhhh... ahhhhh....

    i got nothin'.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    :D

    And how that we bring that up, why no diesel or hybrid option on a minivan?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    And how that we bring that up, why no diesel or hybrid option on a minivan?

    Excellent question. Seems Toyota and Ford both said about 5 years ago they were going to hybridize across the line-up. The EU has several choices of diesel mini vans. Same issues with the diesel mini van as with all small diesels. The CARB carrot is hung out just far enough to keep the automakers from reaching it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ford abandoned the minivan segment entirely, though some may argue the Flex is a minivan in drag.

    Toyota may eventually sell one here.

    A friend of a friend had a Renault (IIRC) diesel van, diplomatic tags, and took me for a spin. I was impressed with how flexible the seating arrangement was - basically 5 seats anywhere you want to mount them. So you could have 2-2-3, or 2-3-2, or take some out and use any combination.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    It probably would not bother me so much if I did not see these in both cargo and passenger configuration with the big TDI on the back. There are a lot of them coming across with Mexican Nationals driving on our highways. So it is illegal for me to have a 35 MPG diesel van, but not someone from across the border driving in CA. Most likely driving on $2 diesel that is not ULSD. Why would they pay our high prices. There is a station just across the border selling diesel for $2.16.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Same in Brazil. Diesel is cheaper than gas (1/2 the price a year ago), but it's not nearly the same quality we get here in the US.
  • Obviously you haven't noticed the diesel car passing you and fuel stops on the highway. Because, you did not know that they were diesels. Next time you see a VW look for the letters TDI on the back. If it does not go wizzing past you getting 40mpg.
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