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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Diesels

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Click Here

    This is good news for the current E320 CDI's replacement which will have the same 320 designation, but the car (a 2007 model) will have an all new 224hp 3.0L V6 that MB expects to be able to comply with Cali (and others) emissions once low-sulfur diesel is available next year.

    M
  • sglausersglauser Posts: 4
    Smaller, more powerful, cleaner. That should help get this forum rockin'! But, I have to confess: I'll take a straight six over a "vee" any day.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Merc1,

    I could not access the website you had provided!

    Here is another site with the record breaking news. Quite an endorsement for the MB320CDI.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050503/nytu158.html?.v=8
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    Try this one. Those are some real statistics.....

    http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050502.003
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Great details.
    This would be a great engine for the new MB M class.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Sorry about the previous link. I tried it and it worked? Oh well you have the info now.

    You can bet that engine will be placed in the E, ML, R and maybe the next generation C-Class starting as soon as this fall or for the 2007 model year. All MB, BMW and Audi are waiting for is that clean diesel fuel to be in good supply in the U.S. I predict that all three will do big diesel business, getting the word out is key. Diesels need to be cast in a different light so people don't hold onto those negative images from the last go round.

    M
  • cgfloridacgflorida Posts: 2
    As the diesel particulate filter has been standard in Germany for over a year why do we have to wait until 2007 to get it here in the US. I assume it will work fine with the current US diesel oil quality ?
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    It probably is the amount of sulphur in our diesel fuel.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    It is the diesel here that destroys the particulate filter in a short period of time. If you have it in CA there are plenty of stations now that sell ULSD (less than 15PPM). I don't know if you can order it with the filter or not. Another year and there should be a lot of ULSD available across the country. Then MB & VW will sell their diesels witjh the PM filter.
  • rwalker07rwalker07 Posts: 16
    First let me say that I have nearly 19,000 miles on my CDI and I absolutely love it.

    Powerful, great mileage and luxury one could hardly ask for anymore.

    However, twice in the last week, the car has felt like it has completley lost its turbo or low end torque.

    It is similiar to starting out in third gear perhaps. Once I turn off the engine and turn it back on it is back to normal. This happened Sunday and again on Wednesday. The strange thing is the car can still accelerate, albeit very slowly.

    I took it into the dealer and they cannot find the problem. Basically, I have to wait until it happens again (hopefully won't) and then they can see for themselves.

    Has anyone had or know of anyone that has had this kindof experience. I read where a 98 had some power loss.

    Thanks
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    We went to the M-Class Road Rally this morning. It was fun driving the vehicles on a closed course that was set up in the stadium parking lot. Plus you get a free MB hat.

    I followed a fellow into the parking lot in a new E320 CDI. I struck up a conversation with him and found that he did the European delivery. It saved the cost of the trip and then some. He absolutely loves the car. He told us the performance is better than any gas vehicle in it's class. He gets consistent 36 MPG on the highway and 26 in the city. He has 7000 miles on it, as he has homes in San Diego and TX. He has had no trouble with the car.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    World record holder and fuel miser
    Continuing from their recent world records in Laredo, Texas, three E320 CDI drove 1039 miles without refueling to Tallahassee in Florida, with an average fuel consumption of 4.75 liters per 100 kilometers, or 49.9 MPG in US units. The unmodified world record cars were used for this test, under the supervision of the USAC (United States Auto Club).
    5/20/2005
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    I see where House of Imports in Buena Park has about 4 with just over 7500 miles on them. There is your chance to own a super fine diesel automobile in California legally. Mighty tempting!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That is indeed very impressive. At the very least I think we'll see this new diesel V6 in the E, M and R-Class models for the 2007 model year. The new diesel V8 will likely show up in the next S-Class and also possibly the M or R. The possibilites are endless if they clear the emissions hurdle in all states running the new low-sulfur diesel.

    M
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    I think they will be able to pass all the emission tests. According to the Mercedes rep I talked to the only holdup in the US is low sulfur diesel. The EPA and CARB have such a long history of negative thinking it will be a hurdle. That and they do not have adequate test standards for diesel engines, like they have for gas vehicles. They are still using mileage tests developed in the 1970s that are far from realistic. The rep also told me they sold out the first shipment much faster than they expected and are headed toward record sales on the E320 CDI. The one owner I talked to is crazy about the car. He bought it in TX and drives between his homes in San Diego and TX. Says it is the best car he has ever owned and gets 36 MPG on the highway.
  • mateomateo Posts: 2
    anyone considered using or have used biodiesel of any blend (or straight vege oil) as fuel for the cdi?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    None other than Willie Nelson. He runs B100 in Hawaii where you don't have to worry about cold weather and gelling.

    http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/users/artists/willie.shtm
  • jschambergjschamberg Posts: 1
    Does anybody know when the E320 CDI 2006 model is due to be released. I want to trade my 97 E420, but also want to be able to integrate my I-pod into the sound system.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    We are looking at a 2005 E320 CDI. After reading posts in here, am I correct in noticiing that the 2006 will have a V6 diesel instead of the inline 6 in the 2005? Also, will iPod integration for 2006 be available? To what extent is the 'integration'? Will I be able to control my iPod using the indash and steering wheel-mounted controls?

    Test drives in this car have been VERY fun. I'll need to look at the prices paid forum but if anybody can provide insight as to what kinds of deals you got with equipment listed, that would be great too!

    -Paul
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    will have a V6 diesel instead of the inline 6 in the 2005?

    Good question. What I can tell you is the best price is usually taking european delivery. That is 7% off the top. The dealer here likes it because it is not from his inventory. I think the CDI sold out pretty fast in most markets. Will the dealer where you test drove your car give you a deal?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    The first 'offer' they gave us was sticker and a lowball on a trade in. Typical. But we're not afraid to walk from a deal, and they know it. We'll make another offer of X over invoice (once I've done an invoice pricing of the car with the options we want). If they say no, we'll see if they make any counter offer and just walk.

    I've got my list of wants on the car, my wife has her list of wants. For the most part, they match. :) So I have to figure which options we ultimately want (too bad no XM - have it on 2 cars already), figure their invoice value, then decide on a price over invoice we are willing to pay.

    Any info on whether the iPod interface will work like I hope it does or the V vs I6 engine?

    -Paul
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    The Germans seem to be behind in some features like XM. I know a lot of people ask about iPod. Not sure who offers it. I know a fellow that has a home in TX and here in San Diego. He drives back and forth all the time and gets consistent 37 MPG. I don't think he drives like a granny either. He says it is the best MB he has ever owned.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    But I wanted to try and keep the same service for all my cars. Oh well. If there is a way to integrate the iPod into the system and control it from the car's controls, I'd be just as happy, as my wife and I both have iPods and that would work as well as satellite radio for me. :)

    -Paul
    Still trying to determine if the V6 or the I6 diesel would be a better way to go...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The new V6 is easily the best way to go. Slightly more power and much cleaner, plus its teamed with the new 7-speed tranny. This is a knockout combo in a diesel. Problem is that the new V6 most likely won't show up in any U.S. market Mercedes until the 2007 model year (fall 2006) because the current diesel fuel is too dirty for the advantages of the new V6 to be realized, plus MB wants (and did) test it with the new fuel not the current supply. It would be very costly to certify this new V6 for one model year (2006) and then do it again for another (2007), when the new fuel low-sul diesel is available.

    M
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Thanks for the input on that. I thought the new V6 was coming in MY 2006. Something to consider there as well. The vehicle I'll be trading in will be a GM vehicle. Their employee purchase program for everybody sent my car's value through the floor even more! :(

    -Paul
  • dindfwdindfw Posts: 1
    Am interested in purchasing a 320 CDI with the current in-line 6. Will there be any issues with this current engine when the new low sulfur fuel is required in late 06? Will any retrofitting be necessary with the engine?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    It should run great on ULSD. Germany has had ULSD a long time and their engines were designed around that fuel. It runs great in my 2005 Passat TDI. It should keep the engine a lot cleaner running.
  • vl39vl39 Posts: 14
    Just received email from MBUSA stating information on the 2006 CDI will be released in July.
  • rwalker07rwalker07 Posts: 16
    I have a 2005 E 320 CDI. To make a long story short, I decided to trade it in on a Subaru Tibeca because I am relocating and want or need an all wheel drive.

    The Subaru dealer called the Mercedes dealer here in Las Vegas Nevada (the only one) and was offered $33,000 for the car. I knew I was going to take a hit, but over $20,000 for basically a brand new car.

    I don't know if it is just my MB dealer in LV that is a rip off artist, or these things simply have no value. I am really disgusted and can honestly say I will never purchase a MB again after this debacle.

    I should add that my girlfriend was offered $19,000 for her 2002 Saab 9-5 in a trade-in for a Hynduai, so apparently the MB is only worth $14,000 more than a three year saab that was falling apart.

    Good luck to all of you and at least don't buy one here in LV.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,053
    Sell it yourself. They are going to hit you hard on a new car trade-in. If it is low miles and still like new it should bring $45k in a heartbeat. Especially in a town like LV. How are you going to step down to a Subaru after that car? They bring a real premium in CA. You could get more than you paid for it.
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