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2005 Lexus ES 330

lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
edited March 22 in Lexus
Any news on 2005 lexus ES? Because the camry has been face-lifted, I would expect the ES to get some minor changes (front and back lights, dash, equipement?) I also heard there perhaps wouldn't be any face-lift because the ES would be redesigned before the camry, for the 2006 model in late 2005 instead of late 2006 for the camry. Lexus said they didn't want their products to look like toyotas anymore, especially for the ES. I think it's a good idea.


  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The 2005 Windom (the ES 330 in Japan) is up on Toyota's Japanese website. It clearly shows the changes coming to the ES (due to arrive at dealers in late August). Some quick observations:

    1. Headlights are now projector beams.
    2. More chrome on the grille.
    3. Round foglights.
    4. Different air intake in lower front bumper.
    5. Thin chrome strip above rear license plate.
    6. Redesigned taillights (which may be LED, it's hard to tell).
    7. Lighter wood with the ivory interior.
    8. Steering wheel radio controls. - r/index.html

    In the U.S. 17" wheels will be optional. However, my dealer said that of the first 1,000 cars coming in to the Midwest 85% will have the 17"ers.

    As for colors, Classic Silver is replacing Millenium Silver, there is a new gold replacing the existing gold, Mystic Sea is replaced by a different green and Starlight Pearl is dropped.
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    thank you, lenscap.
  • wjlwjl Posts: 11
    I spoke with a number of dealers, and for the most part they are saying the 2005 ES330 should start showing up at the dealerships around mid to late August. A couple of dealers are still saying Oct, but the consensus seems to say earlier then Oct. Also heard rumor that there may be an option for A/C seats.... but only one dealer speculated that. In general, not much information.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The 2005 ES 330s will in fact arrive in dealers around mid-late August as you said. I saw the delivery sheet at my dealer that showed when they will arrive. Whatever dealers are saying October are wrong.
  • wjlwjl Posts: 11
    I agree. The one dealer that stated the Oct delivery date, that I spoke with was really pushing the 2004s, which was why I think he stated the Oct delivery date. That was very odd, because all the other dealers in the Northern VA area stated, that their inventory of 2004 ES330s are way down....
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Any news on improvement for base audio. Or it's still ML vs. basic? Overall this 05 one is still shaped like the existing one: not ready to break away from big T just yet.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289

    The current ES is not supposed to be reskinned until the 2007 model year.
  • lockielockie Posts: 8
    I was at my dealer a week ago and I was shown a comparison sheet between the 04 and 05. I should have paid more attention. The only thing I remember about the sound was there would be controls on the steering wheel and I think it said Navi wouldn't be available with ML. If my memory is correct that would imply that there will different head units, but probably similar guts. In the 04 I only saw ML with the Navi so didn't realize you could even get it stand alone.

    It did also state heated and cooled seats. It didn't say they were air-conditioned I assumed it was a fan through perferlated leather ala Saab 9-5.

    I was told they would have a 05 on the lot in 4 weeks.
  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    What do you mean by projector beams? What were they before?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    I believe the current ES has reflector lens headlights. And it looks like the '05 may add the pivoting headlight feature now found on the RX330 and LS430.
  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    So what are the differences between reflector and projector?
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    "Navi wouldn't be available with ML"?

    One OR the other? I doubt it. 03 was all or none. 04 added Nav w/o ML, but no ML w/o Nav. 05 becomes one against the other? Can't be. I am hoping they can have ML as stand along option w/o being coupled with Nav, or just make ML standard. At least they need to upgrade their base audio, which is a shame to a very fine luxurious automobile, tranny whatever notwithstanding.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I don't believe there's any difference between a reflector headlight and a projector beam headlight other than the way it looks. They may put out slightly different light patterns, but I am not sure about that.

    To see the difference in style look at the headlight on a 2003 LS 430 (reflector style) and a 2004 LS 430 (projector beam) and you'll see the difference.

    Also, projector beam headlights (which are a style) are not to be confused with HID (a light type). You can have projector beams with and without HID.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Multireflector headlights basically reflect the light off a mirror-like surface. You can see these types of lights on the majority of cars out there, like Accords.

    A projector light basically has a lense in front of the bulb to disperse the light onto the road.
  • wjlwjl Posts: 11
    Just spoke with Pohanka in Northern VA, and it looks like the first shipment of 2005 ES330s are due in either at the end of this week, or by Monday of next week.
  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    So projector lights look like the HID lights, just without the actual HID?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    All HID lights don't use projectors. FOr example, the previous generation LS400 and GS300/GS430 have reflector lens HIDs.
  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    It appears to me that projector lights look similar to HID lights, except HID lights have a more "clouded" look
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289

    For a example of the multi-reflector type headlamps take a look at the low-beam headlight assemblies of the Honda Accord and then look at the low-beam headlights of a Audi, or a new MB E-class. The projectors you will see basically look like "eyes" within the headlight housings.
  • deanedelldeanedell Posts: 16
    this is a bit off topic wjl, but when you were at Pohanka, did you happen to see whether the '05 IS was also due in at the dealership?

    Thanks much
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