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2007 Toyota Camry

Does anyone know of any concept pictures or other development news regarding the 2007 Camry, which should be a brand new model? 24 months is not that far away! Thank you.
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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    If the new XLE V6 is far above $30K w/Navi I'd be shocked.

    It's $29900 now. Granted there is much more in the new model but it can't be $33K.. Thats Avalon XLS territory
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    is historically VERY tight lipped regarding the redesigns of its major models, as is Honda with the Civic and Accord. You wont see the Camry debut at any auto show, for example. Unless theres some type of paradigm shift among the top brass, this board will likely be dead until this time in 2006.

    What you can expect is a structural stiffening, but continuation on the Gen 5 platform, just as the Gen 3 and Gen 4 shared the same platform. Toyota's new 3.5L V6, perhaps detuned somewhat from its Avalon iteration, seems a likely V6 upgrade from the current 3.0L/3.3L strategy, as all that Ive read indicates the 3.3L is short term solution to the market's growing emphasis on power and torque, and it has been confirmed that the 3.0L will cease production with this iteration of Camry. Id expect a boost in the power of the 4cylinder as well, from the current 160 to at least 170, if Toyota is smart.

    ~alpha
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    Said to have sportier or more agressive exterior styling and personnality. The engine used will probably be the future 3.5 of the next avalon, with a bit less power (next avalon: 270-280 so I presume the next camry's engine will do 250-260 hp. With Honda's Accord and Nissan's Altima that respectively have 240 and 250 hp, the current camry is a bit underpowered and I think toyota wants to solve this "problem" because some people buy a car over another just because it has more horsepower. If you want to know what it's gonna look like, well just have a look at the new solara, it was designed like that so that the next camry and the current solara have the same general styling. But they won't be identical!
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    here are some features I think could make it into the next camry:

    2.5L 4cylinder (170-175 hp)
    3.5L 6cylinder (240-250 hp)
    hybrid engine (confirmed)
    smart entry and start system
    Dual Climate Control
    Side Airbags standard
    Dynamic Laser Cruise Control
    folding side-mirrors
    Power Rear Sunshade
    Adaptive Front Lighting System (XLE)
    HID headlamps (SE,XLE)
    LED brakelamps
    Bluetooth (option in current Prius)
    Navigation & CD changer in dash (only single
    CD player avail. now with nav system)
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    This stuff about the camry getting the 3.5 isn't realistic. If the camry gets it in the future, the next ES will surely do. And the next GS, "higher" in the lexus brand, will get a 3 liter engine, from what lexus says. So the cheaper ES would get a bigger engine than the more expensive GS? Oh yeah, sure... The only thing that could "work" would be putting the 3.5 in almost every lexus/ toyota products: the GS could get a retuned version of this 3.5, making more horsepower than the ES that would also have more horsepower than the camry but not the avalon, because it is a lexus. Siennas, Highlanders and Solara would also get it? What will arrive to the 3 liter 245 hp? Only put in the next IS?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I suppose only time will tell, but your post ignores many facts- such as 1) the Camry is produced alongside the Avalon at TMMK, and the Avalon's 3.5L engine will be produced there as well. By cutting down engine lines, Toyota can increase economies of scale, and hence, using the 3.3L as a stopgap eventually giving way to the 3.5L in the Camry and Solara would make sense. The 3.0L in the Camry LE and XLE V6s is slated for termination, which will probably coincide with the next-gen Avalon's introduction (since the current model also uses the 3.0L). 2) Toyota historically uses different engines for its front/AWD platforms than it does for its rear/4WD platforms. As long as the IS stays RWD, I think its unlikely that you'll see the 3.5L in that model. 3) The next GS is not out yet. We'll see what happens with the engines, but again, I dont see how Toyota is going to drop in the 3.5L. Anything is possible, though. With MB and BMW entry engines producing around the 245hp mark, I dont really see what the big issue is, especially if the GS can come to market with an excellent, repsonsive transmission that maximizes performance and fuel efficiency.

    My point: Its definitely not out of the realm of possibility for Toyota to put the 3.5L engine in the next Camry.

    ~alpha
  • The camry will be the sames as it is now and will always be boring, ugly. and underpowered. Bassicly dont expect it to have more power than anything other than the ford, and even ford is starting to get there act together. The camry is the a fleet car the us. It does do it job well. It a great car for people who aren't passtionate about there driving experience. It's for people who think of driving as a chore.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    is not underpowered, and has not been since the debut of this generation.

    ~alpha
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    It'll be boring, but I have high hopes that it won't be ugly.

    As for underpowered... isn't 250hp around the current sane limit for a fwd car? And how many Camry drivers drag race anyway? The 4-cyl engine seems to be plenty for most people...
  • It's probably gonna be boring, but not necessarly ugly. Toyota sees that other car makers such as mazda and nissan offer a nicer product in this category (6 and Altima) and perhaps they decided to finally offer something original. As for the stuff about lack of power, the Camry isn't underpowered at all and I think that 250-260 should be the maximum automakers should put in their FWD cars.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    Toyota won;t make a sporty looking Camry. They just won't do it. Toyota has to sell 400,000 Camry's a year while Mazda sells 70,000 6's and Nissan sells 150,000 Altima's a year. Toyota is mass market. I would like to see Toyota go back to the 1987-1991 and 1992-1996 bodystyles in some form or another. The 1997-2001 and 2002+ Camry;s like look the they lost their Japanese styling roots. The 97 camry still had some Japanese touches its style but not as much as the 87 and 92 models had. The 02 model really has no Japanese styling touches. Yeah Camry might be boring but the 92-96 model still looks better than most cars from that time period right about now.
  • Why would people need several hundred horses car to be able to drive in bumper to bumper trafic...i'snt that how it is today.

    I am perfectly happy driving a 4 cyl Highlander
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    No other manufacturer is able to consistently expose so much tailpipe as Toyota. They've been doing it on all three of the last generations of Camry, and it seems to be getting lower and lower with each iteration. I guess this must be a much in demand styling feature! :-)

    Seriously I can't understand why they haven't been able to tuck it up somewhere. With Toyota's supposed attention to detail, it seems this would be a trivial problem to solve, but it seems to get no attention, or it would have been fixed at least 5-6 years ago.
  • Someone posted on this earlier. S/he had asked his/her service manager about it, and the guy said that it's just easier and cheaper for Toyota to do it that way, and not thread the exhaust pipe over the rear axle.

    Too bad, because I agree that it looks stupid.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Most people dont notice/care. It has never been an issue on our 2002 Camry.

    ~alpha
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Well, even my wife, who is not an automobile enthusiast at all, noticed it when we were following a Camry last year. Some of them seem to hang much lower than others and this one was a particular low hanger, probably due some assembly or manufacturing variations, but she asked me "What was with the exhaust pipe on that car?" (with no prompting from me).
  • toycashtoycash Posts: 139
    That exhaust position allows more space inside the car, too. That's how Toyota gets a full size spare and a 17 cu. ft. trunk, while the Accord has a doughnut and only 14 cu. ft.
  • ian721ian721 Posts: 93
    Really? Because with all that space between the pipe and the underbody you could expand the trunk another 7 or 8 cu. ft. if you wanted. And it wouldn't be that hard to fit the pipe under the axle even with the 17 cu ft trunk.
  • I wonder if Toy will ever bring back the Camry wagon? We have a 2002 sedan and have been looking at wagons for a 2nd car. With Camry's legendary reliability, comfort and just plain good looks, I'd seriously consider waiting if Toyota did decide to make a wagon.
    Scott
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    I think its unlikely that Toyota will bring back the Camry wagon with the next generation. Most people today usually upgrade from sedan to SUV/Minivan for extra space, not enough interest in wagons for Toyota to even consider it. Then again, the matrix is like a wagon.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    If Toyota revives the wagon, that'll be my next car. There's a market for a sport wagon of sorts. Something to compete with Subaru's Outback, Dodge's Magnum, Volvo and BMW.

    I believe that The Camry wagon was discontinued around 1996 or so. It was a handsome vehicle indeed. I'll be standing in line to get one, although I'm really doing well with my Corolla.
    I prefer a wagon over a sedan.

    It seems to me that Toyota may be hesitant to reintroduce the wagon as it may overshadow the Highlander, high wagon/suv combo.
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    I would go for the Subaru Outback. The interior is really nice.
  • lena132lena132 Posts: 56
    When purchasing my 1995 Camry, we never really wanted the wagon. In fact, my husband thought it looked like a herse. So we got the sedan instead and we still have it. Of course, 70,000 miles and 2 kids later, we needed a bigger vehicle. That's why I have a Sienna XLE Limited now.

    Judging on the market, there's already a lot of crossover SUVs on the market that wagons aren't really needed.

    If they ever introduce it again, I wouldn't really look at it since, again, I have a minivan already. But I want to trade my old Camry in but I'll sure miss it.
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    So anyway, since Toyota will build 2 new V6 in the future (3.0 and 3.5) for Toyota/Lexus cars, I think we might see the future Camry get the 3.0. It is rated at 245 hp, and 250 hp is usually the sane limit for an FWD car so that could work perfectly well. And if it needed more hp (to compete with future Altimas and Accords), they'd just need to boost it a bit to 255. But do customers really need that much hp anyway? So I expect all other cars related to the camry to get it too, except for the RX and ES from Lexus because they need more hp (so that customers don't want to buy a loaded Camry or Highlander instead). I know it perhaps seems weird to go from a 3.3 to a 3.0 but that sounds more realistic than a 3.5. But Avalon, RX, ES, IS and GS could get the 3.5.
  • nornenorne Posts: 136
    good point. I don't think toyo would bring back the camry station wagon when they already have the Highlander in the lineup.

    What would be interesting to see is how well the new mazda6 wagon will do??? If mazda6 wagon is a hit, than maybe toyo will reconsider??
  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    I thought Toyota wanted to style their cars more "european" like?
  • The 2 V6 families that you are referring to are seperate for FWD and RWD applications. The DI V6 family (currently used in Japan's RWD Toyota Crown Royal and Crown Athlete) are currently only in 2.5L and 3.0L forms and will be used in Lexus RWD cars such as the next GS and the next IS ranges. There is a rumour that a 3.5L variation of the same DI engine will be used as the optional engine in the next IS which appears late next year. But the GS will show up with the 3.0L tuned for 245-252 HP. The rumored reason is that Lexus wants to push the V8 models of the GS (There will be 2 V8s with the second showing up in 2 yrs after its introduced as an optional engine on the next LS). The second thing is that due to DI, the engine has a very strong and broad power curve and coupled with the very efficient 6AT is capable enough to rival higher displacement engines from competitors while offering class leading fuel economy. Also, Lexus is trying to differentiate itself from its parent both in terms of design and driving feel and engine choices are being made not with respect to Toyota but with respect to its European rivals.

    Toyota's FWD V6 engine family is completely seperate. Right now there are 3.0 and 3.3L variants. The next Avalon is expected to introduce another engine (3.5L). It is yet unclear if this engine will belong to some existing engine family or will be all-new. Will know more when the Avalon is launched next Jan/Feb. The Avalon will have nothing in common with the next GS, not in platform and not in driving feel. Avalon will continue to be on a FWD Camry chassis but its been stretched considerably and will have AWD available. Camry platform mates will see this new 3.5L engine in select applications like the next Lexus RX and ES. The current 3.0 vvti engine will be completely phased out within 2 yrs. The 3.3L will remain in conjunction with the new 3.5L.

    Much of this info is the result of magazine and internet rumors coupled with press interviews of Toyota and Lexus officials. Nothing is official but most of this information is expected to hold true. Hope this helps clarify the picture.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    In my opinion Toyota will come back with a wagon. Market trends and conditions are causing several if not numerous car manufacturers to put out a wagon (some call it a sportwagon). I don't think Toyota can ignore that niche of the market.

    I'm sure they (Toyota's fat cats) thought about it. Their dilemma,however,appears to be re introducing the wagon without overshadowing the Sienna and the Highlander, two great vehicles.

    Owning a station wagon is a matter of personal taste, no doubt. I've had a Mercury Sable s. w. up until May. Ford will have to labor long and hard to match Toyota and others.

    Chrysler shares Toyota's dilemma. Making a wagon without stealing sales from the Pacifica and their minivans. Subaru and Volvo don't yet have minivans, so it appears to be less of a quandary for them to improve upon their line of wagons.

    I agree with you norne that the Mazda6 wagon may push Toyota to bring a wagon. Currently I'm my second Toyota and trust their dependability and quality. I'd get a Camry wagon any day, but with a 6 cylinder motor and maybe all wheel drive or traction control. I'd want outside heated mirrors as well as curtain airbags, but no leather please. Don't need seating for 8 either.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Everything you report is precisely as I've read/heard it regarding Toyota's application of V6 engines in its front/AWD and rear/AWD current and upcoming platforms. Thanks for such a clear, concise, summary, great job!

    My only contention is that I feel the phase out of the FWD/AWD 3.0L V6 that first debuted in the 1992 Camry/ES is going to be much sooner. I was under the impression that once the next gen Avalon production starts, that model will be using the 3.5L as you state, but Toyota will phase out production of the 3.0L at that time, as the Camry LE/XLE will then be the ONLY North American models using that engine, so TMMK will switch to production of the 3.5L and the 3.3L, which is used in the Solara and Camry SE that are also produced there. Of course, this is just speculation...

    ~alpha
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    Well, I've heard something totally different. The 2 new V6 would be built for FWD, FWD based AWD AND RWD cars. So then Toyota/Lexus could use them in all the cars they'd want without mattering about power transmission.
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