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Not going to happen. You got to understand both cater to different people and have different competitors. The Solara's competitors are the G6 coupe, Accord coupe and Chevrolet Monte Carlo The convertible competes with the Chrysler Sebring, Volvo C30 and Volkswagen Eos. The Camaro is aimed at Dodge Challenger and Ford Mustang buyers.
One is a loud muscle car and the other is a quiet, ordinary coupe. One has 400hp and the other has 225hp. One is fast and the other is comparatively slow. These two cars are as different as night and day.
So, because different types of people with different needs/wants buy each car, the Camaro wont be hurting the Toyota's sales. GM's only chance at hurting Toyota's sales in the midsize coupe segment are the G6 and Monte Carlo.
If Toyota wants to compete with a Camaro they need to bring out a Supra.......
http://tinyurl.com/8l5c5
Will we see the same thing with the Camry? In other words, will 43/37 be a huge exaggeration, or more accurate than the Prius and others?
Thoughts welcome.
Hoosier
The frontend is wearing an oversized autobra (to be sold as a dealer option with the Gold trim package). These photos are likely from the Toyota marketing machine, or an disgruntled intern trying to make side cash.
To be clear. The automakers sometimes ( often ) do the mpg tests based on the EPA's criteria. The EPA then validates those numbers before they can be put on a Maroney label. The numbers are way off for every vehicle in the US when the City testing is done because the EPA's tests are antiquated ( see post #4295 by larsb on the Hybrids in the News forum ). There is too much variety in what you consider to be city driving to what I consider to be city driving to what the EPA considers to be city driving.
If you drive a Prius or Highlander or the new TCH in exactly the manner of the EPA test then you will get 43 mpg. It's not magic it's just physics. But you have to drive exactly the way they do their tests. When I drive my Prius in exactly the EPA manner I get about 65 mpg with a high value of 90+ mpg. OTOH over several tanks of gas and all kinds of driving I average ~48 mpg combined.
If you use the best features of the HSD system you will get about 40 mpg on the Camry. If you dont use it correctly you will get in the low 30's.. your choice.
CR didnt state how they did their test only that they drove it like any other vehicle, which is OK. As you stated on the city test on other vehicles they report City values ranging from 14 - 24 mpg. Thus the Prius is about 50% higher than a similar ICE vehicle.
Thus one can expect that the TCH should be about 50% more efficient than the 4c ICE Camry. Thats about all you can say. It will show about a 50% improvement.
After 4 Camry's I'm pretty sure of what the City numbers are.
I have already heard that their is a newly created power steering that is already being used in the toyota Yaris that works pretty well
what im most worried about this car is how much more the difference between the 06 and 07 model,if a LE starts around 21.5K I may start to look to others
Every night I go to sleep i pray for a replacement, cause the RX-8 is weak and the 350z is a whale...Forget Lexus, I dont want a luxury car to tool around and horseplay in, nor VDIM....
C'mon toyota, is a 6 spd, 300+hp sub 1300kg chassis supra for ~30k too much to ask for?
I remember the year the PT Cruiser was unveiled and Chrysler had 4 hand assembled vehicles that you could climb in and out of, except before the end of the show they had to lock the doors because the public had literally destroyed the interiors in them.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Mackabee
Mackabee
The SE may have only a pass-through, however. The web site says it is "V-braced" for torsional stiffness. The usual argument against a folding rear seat is that a car with a fixed seat can be made stiffer.
I use the folding seat in my Camry constantly for my bike, so a car without one is a deal-killer.
Now if they could only get rid of that annoying door pull on the driver's armrest.
By the way, is it me, or does the '07 look like it evolved directly from the '97 - '01 generation, as if the '02 - '06 generation had never existed?
Don't forget, besides the additional thousands in up front costs, you need to use premium fuel on the V6 to get the rated fuel economy and power. So it will cost you more for fuel than a 2 or 3 mpg difference indicates at first glance.
Also, in the real world, Avalon owners often get around 17 mpg in city driving with the same engine.
You may also have somewhat higher insurance premiums and maintenance costs, cramped engine compartment with more expensive parts and labor out of warranty etc..
Fuel economy ratings on the stickers of new models would drop an average of 10% to 20% in city driving for most 2008 models, and 5% to 15% in highway driving, under testing changes the Environmental Protection Agency proposed Tuesday.
Gas-electric hybrids will be more affected, with ratings for city driving decreasing an average of 20% to 30%. Those models are due to appear in showrooms in the fall of 2007."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2006-01-10-epa-fuel-economy-ratings_x.htm
Aha! The trip computer in my HL resets automatically when I fill up. Strange that they are not all the same. Wonder how it will be on the 2007?
http://www.autoextremist.com/2006%20NAIAS/cars/camry1.jpg
Heated mirror only on XLE!
Decrease on both passenger volume and trunk!
Same tranny(2005+) for 4 cyc model!
http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007Camry_s.pdf
Yet, if the doc is correct, it brings an interesting question. Since for 2005 the Avalon claimed 280 hp on premium, will the Camry be able to reach above stated 268 hp using the same fuel and/or, which is more important, same torque at lower RPM?
I think I know the answer. After all my current car, Mitsu Diamante '98 (3.5L V6), does not benefit at all from anything above 87 grade, so Camry could be the same. Yet, with stated rating 18/24 city/hwy it gives me ~20 mpg with mostly "city" style of driving and during pure hwy, can climb up to 26 mpg. If Camry V6 can get same or better numbers, it will be on my short list when time is right.
But this is interesting, both the RAV and the Camry do not recommend premium for better performance but the Avalon does. Different tweaks?
Mackabee
Then you could use the XM in the house when not driving. That way you only need one subscription.
Don't know if it was the same for Avalon but I believe it originally recommended premium also and now they say 87 octane. There's no mention of the SAE spec on the Toyota website, unlike Honda and Nissan which state that their rating are to the revised and older spec, respectively.
What's New for 2006
For 2006, the navigation system is now available as a stand-alone option on the SE V6. The Camry's stated power ratings are also a bit lower this year due to Toyota's implementation of a new SAE engine testing procedure.
It reduced the original rating from 161 hp when it was introduced back in 2002 to 154 in 2006. for 2007 it has been increased back up to 158 hp but in accordance with SAE testing procedures.
~alpha
VSC is an option on Every Camry, including the CE. Too bad they didn't make it standard across the board. I haven't seen anybody mention that ALL Camrys will have a "temp" spare tire - YUK! The V6 does state recommended fuel as regular unleaded as has been stated in a previous posting. The 4Cyl SE and XLE finally have alloy wheels as std. The rear spoiler is not listed as std equipment or an option, so it must be considered a dealer installed accessory as Honda does on the Accord.
Actually, the Sonata 2.4 makes more torque (and hp). All the 4's in this class are pretty much the same powerwise though.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Images?criteria=07camry
Interesting that the SEs lose the standard power moonroof, curb weight is up 120 lbs on the LE 5A (dont know why its not broken out for the 5M, which Im'm sure is lighter). EPA passenger space is down by .4 cubic foot on non-moonroof models (for whatever reason, the 06 specs didnt break-out the moonroof equipped versions, so that direct comparison is impossible).
~alpha
http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2006toyotakit/2006camry_s.pdf
2007 Camry Spec
http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007Camry_s.pdf
Just wonder where does it specify that the 5speed auto is all new? (the 6speed is definitely all new)
I apologize for everyone who misleading info on the 5-speed auto is a carry over! However, Gear ratio and final drive ratio on the 4 cylinder are exactly the same(2006 vs 2007). I simply just assumed it is carry over!
It still "could" be a new developed one when it was in late 2004!
All my info are based on the site (pressroom.toyota.com), i "assumed" the source is reliable.
2006 Camry Interior volume: 101.8 cubic feet
2007 Camry Interior volume: 101.4 (99.7 with moonroof) cu ft
2006 Camry cargo volume: 16.7 cubic feet
2007 Camry cargo volume: 14.5 cu ft(SE, XLE), 15 cu ft (CE, LE)
The Hyundai however, is mated to a 4 speed automatic whereas the Camry's is the 5 speed. As fan of Toyota's 4 cylinder powertrains, I need to point out the 5 speed auto in the Camry 4 is NOT the same as the 5 speed that was universally panned when paired with the 3.0L V6 in the 02-06 Lexus ES and Camry models. I must say, though in Hyundai's back to back roadshow of the redesigned Sonata vs. the Camry and Accord (both 05s), the 4 was definitely the Toyota in performance feel if not quite sound and refinement (which was really only noticeable at either idle or wide open throttle, but not under normal operation).
Both the Sonata and Camry 4s are somewhat heavier than the competition, at 3266 lbs and 3285, respectively...
carzzz- I withdrew my comments shortly after posting, re-read the message. Still, .4 is a barely noticeable difference, and likely at the cost of the signficantly enhanced structure due to side impact safety. Its disappointing that the trunk shrunk as it did, but thats not really something that a majority of buyers will care about. I'm much more disappointed that Toyota couldnt manage, or chose not to manage to add Dual VVTi to the 4 cylinder than anything else. This would have bumped HP and by a smaller margin, torque, while likely simultaneously bumping MPGs.
~alpha