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The Future of Saab?

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    If there ever was a car wreck in slow motion...

    Saab Production Stalls Again (AutoObserver)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    So what happened? Has Saab ceased to exist? They are bringing out this 9-4X which doesn't look to be substantially better than its competition in any sort of standout way, and is heavy and expensive by class standards. The new 9-3 isn't ready for production yet. How can this company possibly survive short of wholesale to the Chinese for pennies on the dollar?

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    edited June 2011
    There's still a pending deal with the Chinese; meanwhile the Russian has pulled out.

    Saab Travails Now Include Antonov Pullout

    The Chinese sale will take 3 months to clear the regulators. Meanwhile production in Trollheattan has been suspended again since suppliers aren't getting paid. (WSJ)
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    Another casualty run into the ground by the former General...

    The End Is Near: Saab Can’t Meet Payroll

    I was hoping they would make it (not expecting much from Spyker) but the damage was done long before there was ever a chance. :sick:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,887
    edited June 2011
    Damage was done before GM came around. Too long been a brand of many claimed fans, but few who will walk the walk they talk when it comes to opening their wallets.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,596
    Even tha Sabbophiles aren't willing to pony up for a new one - they know it's a car best bought used.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    edited June 2011
    True to some degree. Saab went through the 90's and 2000's under their umbrella and never made a profit. However , I think there is plenty of blame for the former General Motors Company as well...

    There was a lot of parts sharing, such as the 9-3, which was transferred to the same platform as the Rentabu, Saturn Aura and Pontiac G6 in 2003. Also that short stint where the former General had stake in Subaru and thought it was a good idea to rebadge a Subaru Impreza as the 9-2. I love my Subie and all but it's not a luxury car... Or the most un-Saab like vehicle you could ask for, a rebadge trailblazer clone, complete with the optional pushrod V8. Really? :sick: Meanwhile the 9-5 soldered on since 1998 (12 years!) without any revision, the current 9-3 has been around 8 years with the same neglect, other than a few trim packages like the "Black" or the Aero/Arc. Sure, no more Trailblazer trucks, but there is a Cadillac SRX clone that I don;t know if it even hit the lots or is permanently stillborn.

    Lastly, under their umbrella, Saab abandoned one of their true calling cards, the hatchback. I know the Saab fans I know miss that feature and were completely angered by the elimination of even having the option of a hatch...

    Even more sad to me is that for all the trauma and drudging thru the mud that Saab had endured over the years, GM managed to pillage what would become the Ecotec 4-cylinder that was later used everything from the Rentabu to the T/C unit in the Cobalt SS. Similar to what they did with the Duramax Diesel, designed by Isuzu before they were blown off the US map as well.

    And without a doubt, I believe Saabs' safety engineers played a big part in the improvements at the former General when it comes to their recent IIHS crash test scores.

    I have never been a hard core Saab fan, or even a mild one. And based on a pair of rentals that I had for over a month a bout 5 years ago, I can say they were pretty poorly built and had a lot of problems to go with their quirks, but I am still saddened by the death of a once great carmaker that was IMO, left to rot on the vine for the later majority of it's life.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,887
    GM certainly didn't help things...but IMO the ship was sinking when they bought in. It is sad a historic brand is dying, the corporate world can be cruel. The 9-7 was the pinnacle of badness, a crime.

    At least Ford had the sense to maintain Volvo.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,887
    Depreciation that makes new Germans look like a good buy.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,596
    Exactly. Saab would've been gone in the early 90's if GM hadn't bought them.
  • martianmartian Posts: 220
    The SAAB plant has closed (no money to meet payroll).
    Looks like this is it..unless Russian banker/conman Antonov has some cash.
    Doesn't look good. :sick:
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    Had things gone differently and Ford bought Saab and GM bought Volvo we'd be talking about Volvo now.

    Ford made a point of learning from Volvo. GM never did with Saab.

    Yeah, both makes would have died without help back a decade ago. Looks like Saab really will now.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    edited June 2011
    If Saab does go banko, then it will be interesting to compare the effect on the Swedish economy vs. what the US did with GM and Chrysler. The Swedish government declined to bail out Saab long ago. Big difference in size and jobs, but we'll see.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    New week, same story.

    Saab Gets More Chinese Life Support (AutoObserver)
  • gkg680gkg680 Posts: 25
    I would agree strongly with the commentary about the demise of the hatchback. I bought a new 900 Turbo coupe in 1983 and never thought that a car so much fun to drive could be so inexpensive. In 1996 I bought a new 900S and loved it. Both cars had a 5-speed, lasted 13 years, and might've lasted longer with better care. Tremendous value at $16K and $21.5K, before tax, respectively.
    The hatchback/trunk of those cars were enormous, and if you folded down the back seat, you could transport kitchen appliances. They were distinctive, not everyone drove one, and they certainly had character, despite lacking room in the back seat.
    It would be illuminating to learn why Saab discontinued those, although one could get essentially the same car in convertible form, if one wanted a convertible. As other gentlemen have stated, survival seems unlikely for Saab now, and it's a shame, and a loss for driving enthusiasts. Saab 4-door sedans, the remaining product lines, seem bland, overpriced, and ill-equipped to compete in the marketplace.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    Will lease it back to have a place to build cars.

    Saab Reaches Conditional Deal For Property Sale (Straightline)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Desperate??.................

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited July 2011
    the sob (saab) story is done...
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,914
    edited July 2011
    Maybe you should change that to "stick a chopstick in it"?

    "The checkered history of Saab Automobile is about to add a few more wrinkles, with the long-troubled Swedish automaker saying Monday that it now plans not to fold the tent, but to expand its product portfolio with the addition of three new vehicles — an entry-level 9-1 compact for global markets and premium 9-6 and 9-7 models aimed more at the Chinese and U.S. markets."

    Saab Plans Three New Models With Chinese Partner (Inside Line)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    I spoke too soon! Take the fork out!
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