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Kia Rio



  • riomikeriomike Posts: 39
    Hey Todd, any news on when that cruise control will be available? Also wondering if they may come out with a steering wheel radio control accessory, I would like that even more then cruise because I get so distracted by my chanel surfing and that accessory would make my life a lot easier!
  • b3nutb3nut Posts: 83
    I'll post here as soon as I hear something from my dealer. I'm going to be doing all my maintenance there, so I'll be there fairly regularly (I do oil at 3K). In fact, I'll be over there this afternoon to do an oil change, I like to get my factory oil out at around 700-1000 miles, then go on a regular schedule at 3K. If on the off chance any residues or whatever are in the engine, this gets 'em out after a good run-in. A bit anal, but I think it'll help...last new cars I bought I did that to.

    I do know the Rio in some countries has steering-wheel controls for the radio and for a phone, not sure if the wiring is present in the US-market Rios to make it feasible to add the switch pods after the fact. It would be fun to be able to "pimp" our US Rios with some of the Asian/European market goodies! :D

    Todd in Beerbratistan
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    yeah, the 2006 Scion xA's have the audio controls on the steering wheeel...I kept pressing the wrong button to accompish what I wanted, though! :P

    I would eventually get used to it, but, you know, audio controls on the wheels are only a so-so item to me.

    It sounds like your new 2006 Kia Rio's are just fantastic little cruisers! I continue to be amazed at the intelligent design of my 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4. I have yet to blow a light bulb out yet, anywhere on the rig! I replaced the OEM Hankook SUV tires at 102,000 miles, and safety was really not an issue at tire-swap-out time!

    I did have my alternator go out at the 88,000-mile mark while driving to hospital clinical training in Missouri in late 2004. Including towing a local mechanic fixed me up for about $330. Kind of high and it was a stranding breakdown, but hey, what does anyone expect from a rig?

    This Sportage 4x4 handles the snow like it was built for the snow. Kia and Hyundai, I believe, have fully caught Toyota in quality and Kia and Hyundai resale values should now hold steady. Much like Matt Hasselback and the Seattle Seahawks will hold up in the 2006 season. Solid and strong and swift and sure. Now if the NFL will control the gambling aspect of the game (the Steelers were allowed to rob the Seahawks of the crown because of the nasty, awful pathetic bought-off refereeing). I've never, ever seen such one-sided calls in all my NFL viewing years. And I have watched all the Steeler's great teams, the Vikings of old, etc. Seattle was robbed of the Super Bowl title on February 5, 2006.

    It's not so easy to rob a car maker of their right to be deemed the best. Watch Kia and Hyundai soar like falcons. Don't think Atlanta Falcons here, either! :P

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • yeddoyeddo Posts: 20
    Todd....good idea. The dealer was Evergreen Kia in Evergreen Park, IL.

    I DID call Kia corporate in California and they told me that since their dealerships are individually owned, there wasn't alot they could do about it. I've already filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the States Attorney. In the meantime, I'm putting miles on the car.
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    I DID call Kia corporate in California and they told me that since their dealerships are individually owned

    Aren't ALL dealerships individually owned, but still have to answer to the manufacter the represent.
  • yeddoyeddo Posts: 20
    ..that's what I thought. The gentleman I spoke to did say they were going to call the dealership and the district manager but over a week has gone by with no response from anyone affiliated with Kia. It seems to me that good business ethics would dictate that the customer should at least be kept in the loop to know what is going on. Guess not!
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    That makes me a little nervous. I have 2 Rio Cincos (2002 and 2004). Although they have been trouble free, it makes me feel uneasy the manufacture doesn't stand by their product let alone thier dealers.
  • yeddoyeddo Posts: 20
    I just think this dealer thought I wasn't going to make a big deal out of it cause I liked the car so much, it was the end of the day, I had to get to work, etc., etc.. My thought is: if they did that to me, what are they doing to other people? Like I said, whatever recourse I want is out of principle and I hope Kia corporate realizes how much bad publicity they're getting from this.
  • b3nutb3nut Posts: 83
    are often able to get away with crap and the manufacturer can't do a whole lot other than possibly pulling their dealership contract if a dealer gets completely out of hand.

    Do keep calling them, though. And continue to file complaints against the dealer. I hate seeing a great up-and-coming carmaker saddled with bad dealers. I sure like my local dealer in Madison (Russ Darrow). Keep us posted on how you fare with it. Down with Evergreen! Boooo!

    Todd in Beerbratistan
  • yeddoyeddo Posts: 20
    The sad part is I don't want to judge the car by the dealer....but......

    thanks for your support!!
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    I sure like my local dealer in Madison (Russ Darrow).

    My local dealer here in Houston...Performance great also. Everytime I get service (which is not very often) they wash and do a light detailing of the interior!
  • yeddoyeddo Posts: 20
    ..oh yeah sure....rub it in. :P

    Seriously though...that's good to hear. It's nice to know that there are dealers with integrity out there.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,685
    In 2000 I bought a new car and the choice was between the Toyota ECHO and the Kia Rio. The ECHO won because it had a better interior design and I felt the build quality of the Rio was not up to snuff. Having said that it was $3000 less bottom line and I cant ignore that.
    I saw the new Rio at a light the other day. It looked different. So today I went down to the dealer to have a closer look. First the positive. The car is definately better than before. Progress has definately been made. Is it up to Toyota standards? No but its in the ballpark. I would go further than that. The Rio 5 is much more what I want in terms of utility than anything offered by Toyota. It looked better to me in that respect than the new Yaris. Definately.
    Now for the downside. This car is MORE than the Yaris. Granted Toyota has a nasty habit of making you buy a car with more options than you want. That was a downside when I bought the ECHO and I have never forgotten it. I didnt actually BUY the Yaris so I cant say I know the bottom line for certain. But the cars are basically the same price. The $3000 price advantage is GONE for the Kia. Hmm.
    I read the "superior" Kia warranty and found it not to be so superior. The "ten year/100,000" warranty has some gotchas in it. It is not transferable. Not good. It is also a LIMITED powertrain only warranty. That word LIMITED means a lot and it only covers the powertrain, something I would not expect to fail in ten years in any case. So buying this car for the warranty is NOT a selling point.
    I was disappointed to see the mileage, in spite of the new VVT engine, is not as good as the Yaris. It also is larger at 1.6 liters to the Yaris' 1.5. In addition to that, the car weights more at 2450 pounds. Manufacturers have a nasty habit of making cars heavier and heavier and with bigger and bigger engines. Just look at the Civic! (and I would be buying a Civic for sure if it was like the 1989 version) Thats not a trend I approve of.
    So if I were in the market for a new car, would I buy the Rio? Probably not. While I like the body style better than the Yaris (and thats not a little point) the car costs more. And I dont believe the quality of the Rio is as good as the Yaris. Its not something I would take a chance on. Well....maybe I would. Its a much closer call this time. Much closer. Toyota definately has better competition for my money now. They better take note if they want my dollar next time.
  • b3nutb3nut Posts: 83
    the hatchback is only available as a 3-door. The 5-door Yaris is kept away from American buyers, most likely to avoid cannibalizing sales from Toyota's Scion xA hatch. I wanted a 5-door hatch, and my wife hated the look of the xA, so the Rio5 got the nod. I don't think she'd have liked the Yaris or Fit either, for that matter, but it became moot since I needed to replace my ZX2 pronto week before last and the Yaris and Fit still aren't on the lot yet. The Yaris is a fine automobile, but whoever at Toyota started off on that center-mounted-speedometer silliness needs to be publicly flogged...they're infecting Nissan and Saturn with that aesthetic virus! :D In all seriousness, that is a turn-off, even though I would have put up with it for the overall cool-factor (I thought) of the xA.

    Yes, the 10/100,000 warranty is powertrain-only, but the Kia also has a 5/60,000 bumper-to-bumper warranty as well, plus 5/60,000 24-hour roadside assistance. Yes, they'll deny a claim if the maintenance schedule is not followed properly. So will Toyota, as some Scion owners have discovered. I'm maintaining my Rio5 by the book, severe service schedule (3K oil changes, which I believe in anyway) at my dealer.

    I do find it curious that small cars are getting heavier and more now takes a hybrid to nail the MPG that the old Civic hatches and CRX HF's used to get in the late 80's and early 90's! :surprise:

    Todd in Beerbratistan
  • riomikeriomike Posts: 39
    Friend of mine has a Yaris in Bristol, England. He likes the overall look but hates two things: he claims the car is sluggish, even more sluggish than his wifes 2000 Hyundai Accent, and he hates having the speedometer in the center. Well I told him to go for a Rio5 so he can't blame me!
  • chuck1959chuck1959 Posts: 654
    Yes, they'll deny a claim if the maintenance schedule is not followed properly

    Really? I have a 2002 Rio Cinco and have NEVER been denied. My dealership never inquired about the maintenace schedule.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    who haven't traded in yet. I may not for many months so following how the 2006 Kia Rio's are doing performance-wise is going to be most enlightening. I still think after reading about the new small cars that Kia has stepped up to the plate with these new Rio's.

    Heavy doesn't bother me. In fact, heavy can help in collisions. I have read proof of that in accounts on the net of accidents in which the Kia drivers fared well. Now, I know, accidents have all kinds of variables to them, so one must use their discretion with comments like this, but I happen to think there's something to them. One that comes to mind happened on a Chicago expressway in 2002. A lady in a Kia Optima was sandwiched between two semi's and lived to tell about it! The top of her Optima was sheered off completely by one of the truck's trailers! She ducked decisively, yes.

    Mileage is a concern in looking at the new Rio's, though. I think that it should be above 30mpg somewhere, averaged out. I get around 20 city, 24 highway in my Sportage 4x4 so getting into a new Rio would need to yield a gas savings to be a viable choice.

    As for the new Yaris, I like them and I'm actually researching the 4-door Yaris sedan a bit. Configured how I like it comes to $14,675, a reasonable price I think and I have even convinced myself that it looks differently enough than a new world order Corolla to warrant a closer look. But hearing sluggish tales is not good. One thing I would consider there is that sometimes automatic tranny's mull down the performance of the small engines. I will be getting a stick no matter what I trade for and whenever I trade in, that is a must.

    Keep the owner reports flowing in riomike and Wisconsin cheese. :D

    Oh, and the Long Haul is a great Warranty. I have never been denied a claim and most all have been for retrofits, TSB's and things that the service crew all know about and are proficient in. In both my '99 Sephia and my '01 Sportage all warranty items were done by the 20,000-mile mark and they all were handled quickly and done right the first time. Check engine light concerns seem to be an industry-wide concern and are irritating to a lot of folks but are not common only to Kia or Hyundai. They cross all brands.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • riomikeriomike Posts: 39
    In latest Car & Driver out of 7 hatchbacks/subcompacts under 15K that were tested Rio5 came in third place!
    #7 Suzuki reno
    #6 Dodge Caliber
    #5 Hyundai Accent
    #4 Toyota Yaris
    #3 Kia Rio5 (#1 in my book!)
    #2 Nissan Versa
    #1 Honda Fit

    This just confirms that Kia is on the verge of world dominance! Proves that I am not mentally ill for suggesting to everybody I know that Rio5 is the best darn little car ever!

    BTW average MPG for last two weeks (1100 miles), 28.6
    Thats with 2/3 highway driving and AC on at all times. Not too shabby!
  • b3nutb3nut Posts: 83
    Should be a good read. I think the Rio5 is better looking than the Versa, and the Fit for that matter. The Fit will lead the class in refinement, the Rio5 has a nice smooth engine but Honda has always made supremely silky powerplants. But at least Kia had the good sense to provide a coolant temp guage, something neither the Versa nor the Fit have. How are you going to know if your thermostat is going south (which after 100K at some point they all will) until you're overheating enough for the idiot light to come on? And the Kia's double-DIN dash opening can't be beat. The stock head unit is OK for now, but there's a Pioneer double-DIN deck I want to get eventually, plays CD's, MP3/WMA/AAC CD's, and has a cassette deck, too. :)

    I did have an issue with my Rio5, it would run rough if the engine got wet driving in rain. Took it in, they found a cracked coil so they replaced the coil pack and spark plugs. Now she's all good. They jumped right on it and got me taken care of. I chalked it up to a supplier fluke...having worked in an automotive supplier I've seen oopses reach the customer...we had a switch come back from an end-user's Toyota once, boy did that ever cause some lectures!

    Aside from a minor flukey niggle my Rio5's been superb, I'm really liking it.

    Todd in Beerbratistan
  • twojstwojs Posts: 1
    Need some advice. My 2004 Kia Rio died in an accident last month. I had 36,000 miles on it, and not a worry. Now, do I go for a new Rio, or does anyone have anything to say about the Spectra. I can get a NEW Rio and a slightly used Spectra for the same price... can't make up my mind!!! Any suggestions?
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