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  • Two tanks now, one month old 08 Rio, I got 30.1 mpg city. I am disapointed tremendously. That is why I bought the cheapest car that advertises 44 hwy mpg. Sticker states 27-32 or 34, so why am I not getting at least 35 mpg? I can't drive any better, slower, more efficient. 5 sp manual, basic, no air, no power. Anyone getting the 44 mpg?
  • I drove on a little bit of snow. Good handling. How is your mpg?
  • EPA gas mileage figures are notoriously optimistic. We have an 03 Rio which we've been driving for 2.5 years. We average about 28 mpg around town, 37 in typical highway driving, and 42 for steady 55 mph. That's about as good as it gets short of going to a hybrid. Don't believe the advertisements.
  • We find winter driving in Anchorage, Alaska is pretty good, not as good as with four wheel drive, but as good as can be expected short of that. We have non-studded winter tires, which were a noticeable improvement over the all-season radials our 03 Rio came with.
  • Thanks for replying. I am in Ky. and the roads don't get too much snow, but did the mpg get any better after a year? I would think the 08 basic would have gotten better since the 03, and you have any trouble, or much troube owning it?
  • I have not done any year-to-year comparative calculations, but if there was any mpg improvement with age, it wasn't enough to draw my attention. However, we got our 03 Rio used, with 17,800 miles on it. We are now at 40,000 miles and haven't had any trouble with it. Our only expenses have been for scheduled routine maintenance and small things like light bulbs, an engine block heater, etc.
  • i purchased my kia brand new in 2001. at the time of purchase, my airbag light came on. i took it back and they replaced something in it, months later, it came back on. a few months ago i stopped at a stop sign and my car just died. would not turn over or nothing. now they are saying that i need to replace my engine already. anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
  • First off tsaunders, the car is 7 years old. How many miles are on it? It the warranty out? Did you not get the ten year warranty? If so, it should cover the drive trane, er, engine. I have owned one for one month now, lack a couple of days, so I don't know much about them, but the first thing I would check is to see if the warranty should pay for the replacement, and if not, why? I don't see it not starting and having to replace the engine. Try another Kia dealer shop. Sounds like they are not fooling with you, or fooling you. Cars stop for three reasons, gas, fire, and ignition, or something like that. I used to work on them alot, but they have changed tremendously. Good luck, and there ought to be someone out there with some insight.
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    Two tanks now, one month old 08 Rio, I got 30.1 mpg city. I am disapointed tremendously. That is why I bought the cheapest car that advertises 44 hwy mpg. Sticker states 27-32 or 34, so why am I not getting at least 35 mpg?

    The car is rated at 27 city/32 hwy. -- why would you think that you should get more than 35 mpg? And who told you it was rated at 44 mpg? That's higher than any car in it's class is rated, short of a hybrid.

    On a brand-new car that isn't broken in yet, getting 30 mpg in the city is quite good. You just had massively unrealistic expectations. People I know with older model manual-trans Rios average about 32 mpg with a good amount of highway miles in there.
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    a few months ago i stopped at a stop sign and my car just died. would not turn over or nothing. now they are saying that i need to replace my engine already.

    What did it do before dying (noises, warning lights, etc.) and how many miles do you have. If there are over 60K miles on the engine and the timing belt snapped, that won't be covered under warranty. Changing the belt religiously is a must, but there isn't enough information to make any opinion on what the dealer's telling you.
  • Hey Wave, (see my hand), just kidding. When I bought, or before actually, the salesmen there, a few of them told me that I would get better than the sticker. Which when I checked again was 27-32. For the time it took them to sell me the car, all I heard from them was it will get at least 35 on the road around the city. Fab. I am not a nutcase, but took them as they sell the damn car. Maybe it will get better, maybe it won't. On the lot, I saw what they, the car lot had put on the windshields of quite a few Rio's. 44MPG. I thought, if I get somewhere close to that, I will be set in getting the Rio paid for saving gasoline. So, in essence, it was the dealership, or maybe just the sales people that insisted that I get at least 35 or more per gallon. I have checked it a couple of times, but my wife is driving it and she doesn't do checks like I would do, but will let you know in a week or so.
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    It's dealers like this that give car salesmen their bad reputation. They were blowing some serious smoke!!

    35 mpg on a highway drive is probably achievable, but I wouldn't expect it in stop-and-go city driving. Ditto for 44 mpg under any conditions. The EPA estimate is reasonable for that model.

    Go to FuelEconomy.gov and click on "Your MPG" on the left side of the page to see what people in the real world are getting with any model.
  • That is a good website you sent me to. Very interesting. I haven't been back to the dealer where I bought the car, but will take my camera and take pics of the windshields that display 44mpg on them. What a waste. I could have bought a gm which had the power steering. I bought this car b/c of the mileage, and b/c it was so cheap, the base model. I don't mind it not having any extras anymore, as I used to adore driving something that got talked about, and could brag about. Not anymore. I could care less if it has a dps, or temp, or gas info on the overhead strip. I don't care about wheels, looks, anything that doesn't get you there safely and doesn't cost a million everytime you start it up. I have drove miata's for the past eleven years, but now it is hard to get in them at my age. My first miata was exciting. The last was a speed and man was it fast, and fun. The gas mileage was great, at around 31 city, but could not take anything on trips, unless you had a trailor built for it. And three times the cost of the rio. If I look like a dork driving a rio, then so be it. I have had american cars all my life and now you cannot buy one made entirely in the U S. So, buy american is almost impossible anymore. Try to find a pair of sneakers made here. Or a microwave. Even G E 14 miles from here don't sell their products here. Mexico is where americans get their appliances made. Getting off subject but buying an american car is out of the picture, and who cares what anyone drives anymore. Other countries trying to break the U S by selling outrageous priced oil is what is tearing this country apart, not to mention the war, and the crooks in government. Enough of that though. I am glad I bought the rio, only my gas mileage should be better according to the dealer that sells them. Thanks for the insight.
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    I don't know that it's worth it, but if they are posting figures of 44 mpg, there might be a legal case against them for false advertising.

    I'm sure that KIA headquarters would be interested in hearing from you along with a picture. They'd be down there pronto, since it's not in their best interests to deceive prospective buyers.

    I don't think any car is sold in the US is rated at 44 mpg, except maybe a Prius.
  • America that might list an avg.mpg of 44 is the Honda Civic Hybrid, but off the top of my head I think that's pushing it by about 4 miles per gallon average. Anyone know the real answer to that? T' would be good to know.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    Honda Civic Hybrid: 40 City, 45 Hwy -- 40 mpg combined for 2008 with automatic.

    Om fueleconomy.gov, owners are averaging between 40 and 51 mpg from 2003-2008 models. Pretty good!
  • I will plan on making a trip over there tomorrow just for that reason. I feel slighted in buying on advice of 44mpg hwy. They did tell me that the reason for the signs on such cars is b/c people call them and tell them they got that on the highway. I didn't believe that they would do that on a phone call/s. I may plan to take this just a bit further. Thanks for the advice. I still like the car, no problem, but it should get what they tell you and not only on the sticker. Or they should stop telling that to sell cars. Talk later. I don't know if I can post a picture on this sight or not. If I can, I will. bob
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    It's not impossible that some owners get 44 mpg on the highway, especially if it's flat, mild weather, the windows are rolled up and the gas has no ethanol blended in.

    That's probably the "best case scenario" and shouldn't be used to sell a car. The dealer overstepped their bounds using a figure so far above the EPA estimate.
  • I went to the car lot where I purchased my vehicle and got pictures of 44mpg on the windshield of many Kia Rio's, some with the name Kia in the background to show it is a Kia lot. Some are new 08's and some 07's. But, if they are going to advertise 44mpg, shouldn't all of them get this amount, without hit or miss? I don't know how to post a picture on here, but have them stored. If you would like to see one, let me know how to post it here. Thanks friend. bob
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    They shouldn't post that figure at all - on any car! It's unethical, if not downright illegal, to use the highest mileage figure anyone has ever gotten to insinuate that this is possible for any/all drivers.

    I still believe that KIA headquarters would have a fit if they knew one of their dealers was doing this. Your state's Attorney General would likely put a stop to it as well. Every state has laws regarding false and deceptive advertising. It depends how far you want to take this.

    All that dealer can legally post is the EPA estimates of 27/32 -- nothing more, either in writing or verbally.
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