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Honda Civic Sedan 2006

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    No, I wasn't asking you... I was replying to disapoited. And my comment about poor driving position was regarding the Corolla, not the Civic.
  • Sorry, I got confused. No harm, no foul! :shades:
  • I was in Newburgh NY over the weekend and saw a navy Blue LX sedan sitting in a dealer lot. It was 17k, 5 speed. Seeing the car in person it reminded me of old style accord sedan (circa 95-96) "low and wide" The steering wheel seemed a lot smaller then the 05 civic (which I already thought was small). Very roomy looking interior and a nice shade of ivory too. You'll need a roomba to keep the dash clean.
  • yesrohyesroh Posts: 290
    The new Civics are wider but only marginally lower...I think it's less than half an inch, and still they are pretty tall. They're just a tiny bit shorter than the Accords. I'm glad they decided to widen them. I always wondered why Honda couldn't keep its same dimensions and just add three inches to the width to bring them up to the same width as the Accords. That elbow room really feels nice in the front seat and the wider track could give them better handling without stiffening the suspension so much. I think anyway...I used to design cars when I was a teenager. I thought about a lot of things.

    Anyone want to argue about something? We need another fight here. It's getting quiet again.
  • yesrohyesroh Posts: 290
    Hey...
    Maybe Honda thinks the people who buy the manual tranny are the ones who like more agressive driving, and therefore would like a more 'lively' engine. Therefore...the lower top gear.
    The folks who buy the automatic (like me) are tired and just want a nice car with good performance that they can relax in and not shoot in and out of traffic. We all want to die in peace. I can't wait for the rocking-chair option.
  • umm...could be...but then if mtx drivers are aggressive, then why not let us downshift a couple gears and keep the 5th tall for economy/noise.

    the EPA ratings prolly for 60mph, but once above that, esp 70mph where it's 3k rpm+, fuel econ will drop very quickly with mtx??!!!

    why, oh, why did Honda make 5th short...

    i like to drive aggressively and unwisely sometimes if i feel happy, but sometimes when i am really tired and sleepy i just want to sit in a car and have it move automatically to the destination. the auto, with 5 gears now, and my current car needing a 1k$ clutch change (plus auto EX are avail very soon in canada) is beginning to look real good. on the other hand...i sometimes like to abuse my car in the winter with rally techniques that a torque converter just won't allow. hmm...abuse or ease of mind...

    i know what you are saying about dieing in peace...i want to die in one piece, too.

    umm...hmm what am i posting about here, not much useful info...oh yeah, anyone know where a car gets serialized (assigned a VIN)...before assembly, during, or after? all canadian cars are either USA or Canada made :(
  • I also read that due to many complaints from manual tranny owners, Honda purposely made the top gear run at higher RPM's. It seems that, when in cruise control in top gear, previous Civics would not maintain speed when going uphill. Automatics of course will downshift into the next lowest gear to compensate, but manuals cannot do this without downshifting. Therefore changing the final drive ratio on '06 manuals was a conscious decision on Honda's part. Maybe one of the improvements in '07 will be to offer a 6 speed manual, with true overdrive, in lieu of the 5 speed.

    I wonder how 6th gear will compare in the Si's?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    on the assembly line, which is why the VIN designates build location.

    And so far, every single '06 Civic delivered to my local dealer has been Japan-built. Shows what dealers know.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • yeah, i read that too..

    hahaahaha that is so funny, ppl complain about lack of power and honda responds by decreasing fuel economy as a result...

    hhaha I wonder how many complainees would have guessed that this would be the fruits of their labours!! hehehe
  • i wish all dealers were that clueless...in alberta here, i phone them and they read the VIN off their delivery list thingy and they all do not start with a 'J' so i'm outta luck here in the north... :(
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    the sixth speed on the SI will be geared for performance, most likely. It will probably rev even higher on the highway than the rest of the line does in 5th.

    As for this earlier:
    "I don't think the fuel economy on the new Civics has dropped"

    Combined EPA on the '05 Civic EX was 35.85. On the '06? 34.4.

    For the auto: 35.5 on the '06, 34.85 on the '05. I call that a sidestep.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Man car sales are way down. This should be attainable anywhere. I found it true in OKC as 5 speeds are not in demand anywhere.
  • You're very smart - except you mis-spelled the name of the site you're on! HA!
  • Car sales aren't down in Atlanta, GA! We can't keep cars in stock. We sell tons of manual tranmissions - keyword is SELL. Order-takers don't sell cars. They take orders and sell at or below invoice.
  • Honda lost my interest when they dropped the hatchback. As for auto vs manual, I have owned two automatics out of out of about 15 cars I have owned. I hated both of the automatics. I don't understand why some drivers hate to shift. I have been in a car with someone who would lug the engine down before downshifting. Is it just being lazy or what?
  • ya laziness is good :blush: and also i never learned how to drive manual :blush:
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Some people think of driving as a "chore" and would like to do as little work as possible.

    That's how Toyota and Lexus make so much money. Toyota makes bland mass market automobiles, and Lexus makes bland, high end automobiles for those with more money, who are interested in driving a status symbol, but who think of driving as a chore.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I thought this Autoweek comment was in tune with my thinking:

    The ’06 model, though, departs from earlier generations in two significant ways. It de-emphasizes packaging efficiency (in favor of style) and simplicity (in favor of loading up with the latest gizmos).

    Overall they loved the new Civic though. I really want to see the Coupe, since losing interior space in there (in the back seat, mainly) doesn't bug me as much as with the Sedan. The Coupe doesn't have as long a wheel base as the new Sedan, but it is longer than the '05.

    A Coupe with a stick shift might be a hoot.

    I was doing power to weight calculations today, and came up with the following:

    '06 Mini Cooper (not S): 1 hp => 22 lbs
    '06 Scion xA: 1 hp => 22.7 lbs
    '06 New Beetle (5 cyl): 1 hp => 19 lbs
    '06 New Jetta (5 cyl): 1 hp => 21 lbs
    '05 Golf: 1 hp => 24 lbs
    '05 Focus ZX3 (PZEV): 1 hp => 20.1 lbs
    '06 Civic Sedan: 1 hp => 18.6 lbs

    Couple of things to note. My ZX3 isn't doing too shabby in the horsepower to weight ratings. My former Golf was among the worst, as was my former Scion xA (no wonder they felt slow!). The new Civic has the best ratio of horsepower to weight, but its torque is much lower than its hp (only 128 lb-ft of torque, but still that matches my ZX3 so round town driving should be fine), while the New Beetle has the best torque (its 5 cylinder engine is rated at a mid-pack 150 hp for that size engine, but it has 170 lb-ft of torque, pretty darn good for 'round town driving).

    I did test drive a new, New Beetle this weekend with the 5 cylinder plus 6 speed auto. It didn't feel quick...but maybe I was apprehensive about pushing a new car (the salesman sent me off in it by myself, so there was no weight penalty or inhibition in that regard).

    So, I've temporarily crossed the New Beetle off my short list and put a question mark by the Civic...I really want to see how sporty the Coupe suspension is, it's supposed to be set up with stiffer springs, which might make it a nice handler.
  • Do you know what is torque mean, I know really understand that. Is is good to have high torque or low torque.

    Thanks alot
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Zero torque would be best. That way you save tons of money you would have otherwise spend on gas :-)

    Seriously speaking though. 128ft-lbs of torque is the same as the '94-01 Integras that also came with a 1.8L motor. Maybe Honda felt they would embarass all the Integra owners if they gave the Civic a few more foot pounds of torque? Because you know the engines in 2005/06 are more advanced than the Integra's that came out in 1994. They could have easily got 130's out of it but it would probably require a more agressive exhaust, air intake, maybe intake manifold, or larger throttle body, most of which means worse gas mileage. It's all about the gas mileage..
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I don't know the new Civic sedan or coupe's weight (maybe someone can post it here?) but the '94-01 Integra RS/LS/GS with 140hp, 128ft-lbs torque and a 5-sp., did 0-60 anywhere from 8.3 to 8.6s. The RS weighed as little as 2420lbs, the LS a little over 2500 (sunroof, etc), and the GS just under 2600lbs.
    I would imagine the new Civic weighs between 2600 and 2700lbs, so we should expect mid-8's in 0-60 acceleration or faster if they have a good tranny and quick shifter.
    I have seen 2 roadtests of the '01 EX coupe 5sp. (2550lbs) and they were 8.1 and 8.3sec 0-60. They said it was the fastest non-Si Civic they had tested. I 'm hoping the '06 Civic will be in the low 8's as well but I 'm not holding my breath.
  • So torque just mean gas usage. Therefore, when I want to purchase a car, I should search for a vehicle with the lesser torque because it would consume lesser gas?

    Thank you
  • drexelnet, if you want to save gas, in general get the car that most people say will save the most gas. for example, even with engines of similar size, the civic has gotten the best economy in car mag tests. there really is no way to tell how efficient a certain car is based on specs. you need to look at tire size, aerodynamics, gearing, power accessory parasitic loss, and also, torque.

    the greater the torque at low rpm, the less gas you will use given all other factors are equal. when you accelerate your car, the engine will stay at the max torque rpm until you demand more, and when it runs faster, then you will in general burn more gas. low rpm torque cars of same displacement usually are more efficient.

    given that, engine size is prolly the biggest factor. since the civic is only 1.8L, it is near the smallest in class, but coupled with its many efficient 'features' such as ivtec, etc etc, i am betting it is the most efficient in its class.

    you will save money on lower depreciation, less maintenance (hopefully for 1st yr run), and gas if you get this civic (or older civics). i think...
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    No, they were pulling your leg. Torque basically means how much power is available at lower engine speeds. It's not quite as simple as that, because some cars develop their peak torque at lower rpm, but generally you want a car to have a lot of torque. Think of torque as "hidden horsepower" - a car with low torque but high horsepower probably has to be revved up pretty high to deliver performance, but a car with high torque but lower horsepower probably pulls fine "right off the line."
  • I always thought the EX has 170HP vs the DX and LX have lower power. Since when did Civic changed that?

    Does it make sense? How do they compete with Tc?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,432
    Why not add a tall sixth gear but label it E for economy and state in the owners manual that when using cruise control in the mountains it is best to use 5th gear.

    This way everybody can have their cake and eat it too. Good economy, quiet cruising, no downshifts needed in cruise.

    VW did this in the early 80's as did Volvo (it was 4 + E on these vehicles though)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    It changed for '06.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Because people would complain that when they try to accelerate in 6th gear, the car is too slow.
    They would need to have a cruise control lockout in 6th to protect people from themselves.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Well... The Civic EX Coupe is supposed to go up against the Scion tC. It has less power, but it weighs less and gets better mileage.

    And power levels are all the same this year. All Civics get iVTEC, whereas in the past the VTEC engines were reserved for EX models.

    And the EX has never had 170 horsepower! It was always in the 127 range, with the DX, Value Package, and LX coming in at around 115. The numbers sound little, but that's Honda for you. Not always the most powerful, but typically the most efficient.

    Personally, I would pick the Civic over the Scion tC because I can get a beige interior (won't get as hot in the steamy Southeastern summers) and because I'm a Honda person.
  • I'm on the waiting list for a 2006 Civic Hybrid and I am trying to shop for speakers. I know it uses the same 6-speaker system as the 2006 Civic Sedan EX. Does anyone know the speaker sizes for this model?
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