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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
We're starting up a new comparision topic since the Odyssey just had a redesign for 2005 and the Sienna is still very fresh, so if you're comparing the newest model Honda and Toyota minivans, join in here.

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Any word on when Honda will release official pricing on all trim levels of the new Ody? Cars are sheduled to hit the lots middle of next week; official pricing ought to be out any day now.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,640
    knowing Honda, you might not see the pricing until the 22nd when the cars show up. I believe that's what happened with the TSX. There were rumors, but even dealers didn't know for sure until the first one rolled off the truck and they way the window sticker.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    The 05 Ody is so good that:
    Members of the press have named the 2005 Honda Odyssey as a semi-finalist for "Car of the Year" to be named at the Detroit Auto Show in January.
  • Compared to everything out there, I think the new Odyssey is the best.
    The only way Toyota can beat it is to turn the Sienna over to Lexus.
  • So??? What do the stickers say?! How much is the Touring's MSRP?
  • HYPE...
    Car of the year doesn't mean better than Bmmer, Lexus, Merc.
    Car of the year can be a Civic, a Focus, can be a Kia...As long as it's creative enough for that model year.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    Members of the press have named the 2005 Honda Odyssey as a semi-finalist for "Car of the Year" to be named at the Detroit Auto Show in January.

    While I don't know how the auto show classifies a truck from a car, it is more likely that the Odyssey is a candidate for 'Truck of the Year'.

    Past winners of "Car of the Year"
    2004, Toyota Prius
    2003, BMW Mini Cooper
    2002, Nissan Altima
    2001, Chrysler PT Cruiser
    2000, Ford Focus
    1999, Chevy Corvette
  • BTW, Ivan did not veer away...
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    "Car of the year doesn't mean better than Bmmer, Lexus, Merc."
    Looks like you don't know the criteria or meaning to be car/truck of the year. Find out before you make yourself a fool here among those who know.
  • What's the criteria? I know for sure Car of the Year doesn't mean it's better than all other cars that come out in the year. It may be the most innovative or interesting or whatever.
  • NAME - The awards are the "North American Car of the Year" and "North American Truck of the Year," not "Car of the Year."

        WHO GIVES THE AWARDS? - This year the awards were given by a group of 49 full-time automotive journalists from Canada and the United States. While the awards are announced at the North American International Auto Show, the show
    does not give the awards.

        HOW ARE THE AWARDS CHOSEN? - The awards are designed to recognize the most outstanding vehicles of the year based on factors including innovation, design, safety, handling, driver satisfaction and value for the dollar.

        ELIGIBILITY - Vehicles must be new "substantially changed" from the previous model.

        HOW DO THE JURORS VOTE? - Jurors are given 25 points to divide among cars and trucks. However, no more than 10 points may be given to a single vehicle. The ballots are counted by Deloitte. The three finalists in each category are released in mid-December but until the news conference in January only Richard Gabrys, the vice chairman of Deloitte, knows the winners.

        HISTORY - The awards were started in 1993, were first given in January 1994, and were modeled after the Car of the Year in Europe. They are administered by a seven-person organizing committee and funded by dues paid by
    the jurors.

    As the Sienna was a 2004 canidate, I would imagine the Ody would fall to the car category.
  • Looks like pricing is similar to Sienna. Touring Base MSRP is around $35K which is basically the same as XLE Limited Base which is also around that $35K. But XLE LTD Base sports a power passenger seat, Laser Cruise Control, & HID Lights. But Odyssey Base has memory seats, pedals, and is that it?
  • Ody touring also has 6 cd changer wiht the Nav and Res. Sienna XLE Ltd gets a single cd player if you want Nav.
  • ....there is a reason I said BASE Ody & Sienna. Never mentioned a Odyssey Touring Nav/Res and Sienna HO Pkg, now did I?

    Also, Sienna XLE LTD has power lumbar support (Driver), and 3rd row sunshades as standard equipment. Minor things like faux wood and gated is also in the Sienna.

    Now, Odyssey have faux Aluminum, and Cylinder Deactivation and noise cancellation technology (which, mind you, is just covering up noise & fooling our ears.) And 3rd Row sunshades as optional.

    Now, I hate Honda for putting important buttons on the dash to the left of steering wheel. Moonroof on the dash. Why can't they just get it right and put it on the overhead console? But all this is just personal preference.
  • The big bad Ody monster is out and not such a super deal after all! Features and pricing are virtually head to head with Sienna. Looks like a draw.... each having advantages and drawbacks. Honda is not a religion... but there must be faint hearts and wallets in the temple of Vtec tonight.
  • jimxojimxo Posts: 423
    Which van has better resale value 2005 Honda or Toyota?

    Your best guess is fine
  • The difference in re-sale is negligible between these two vans, and shouldn't be the reason you choose one over the other.
  • Always Honda. Best place to check is "resale values" on edmunds.

    Does that mean you should always buy a Honda - NO! Even if you get a good deal on either brand, make sure you REALLY like it before you buy. Do not buy just for resale, you will not be HAPPY.

    Resale values are driven by a lot of factors, most important of them being reliability. I think the perception is that Hondas are more reliable - although, it does not come close to Toyota in comfort and luxury. And you know what's ironic - Honda is considered a cheap brand in Japan compared to Toyota.
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    GM is considered an expensive brand in Japan. Will you buy a GM?
  • I'd probably take any Cadillac product over any Honda product any day of the week.
  • ctsangctsang Posts: 237
    Go ahead and buy the olds minivan which is the cadillac minivan. Good luck.
  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    My best guess would be to use data from a residual value lease guide. Here’s a link
    http://www.alg.com/news-information.asp?page=news_depreciation_ra- - tings
  • It's been seen by some customers. Touring MSRP plus Destination charge is $35,010. That does not include DVD nor Navi. Just like the XLE Limited.
  • I test drove a 05 Ody EX-L w/ RES and a 04 Sienna Limited back to back today. (I wanted to test drive a XLE w/ pkg 15 but they don't have that. Here is my comparison:

    What I liked the most about the Ody over Sienna: The engine was really smooth, responsive, and powerfull, the handling was excellent for a van. The pickup of the Ody was very good. In comparison, the Sienna was a joke - weak engine and coushy handling. When I tried to gain some speed while merging to the freeway, the Sienna did not respond much. So I push the gas pedal a bit more down, this time, the Sienna's engine rev'd up too high and too soon, caused a big jerking feel - very unpleasant.

    I also liked the Ody power sliding doors better than the Sienna's. I felt they were more sensitive to pressure.

    The tailgate of the Ody was not as heavy as I thought originally. I thought it was a deal-breaker for us because the EX-L lacked the power tailgate. But it was very easy for my preganant wife to close it. Thus this "must have" item is off her list now.

    It was a breeze to fold down the 3rd row seats, easier than Sienna, and much easier than the 2nd gen Ody.

    What I liked the least of the Ody were the steering wheel - I can't believe it's not leather-wrapped for a $30k+ vehicle, just rediculous. I also felt the Ody was much smaller than the Sienna. I knew it was smaller in dimention just a bit, but I guess the interior color of the Ody, which was a dark gray, did help either. It made the van feel smaller than it actually should. But in any case, I like the Ivory interior better, just need to see one in person.

    Both me and my wife felt the Ody's driver side seat was not as comfy as the Sienna's. The lumber support wasn't that good.

    I also felt that the visibility to the left rear side was poor when changing lane to the left. The dealership put the window sticker on the 2rd row driver side window. So when I was merging to the freeway, I could not see anything when turned my head to the left. So I rolled down the 2nd row window, it was better, but still not as good as the Sienna's.
  • There hasn't been much mention on the '05 Sienna, so here are some details. Seems like the option packages have been simplified a little:

    Specs:
    http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2005toyotakit/2005_Sienna_s.- - pdf

    Features:
    http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2005toyotakit/2005_Sienna_f.- - pdf

    Options:
    http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2005toyotakit/2005_Sienna_o.- - pdf
  • pluto: Here's some advice, speaking from experience. Don't let your wife make a vehicle decision until she has the baby. I thought I wanted an automatic Accord when I found out I was pregnant so that's what I traded my 03 Accord coupe 5-speed for. I thought a minivan was unnecessary as well. 7 months later I bought an Odyssey and then traded my 04 Accord EXL automatic for a 2004 Accord EXL manual.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,640
    MY wife might actually consider the Sienna again, sinc eyou can now get the power drivers seat on the LE. Of course, now that the Ody EXL has the moonroof, that pretty much upped the ante to the XLE.

    It will be interesting to see what the resl-world Sienna pricing ends up being. If the LE package 6 (safety stuff + power seat) has TMV in the 26-27 range (like today), it might make it hard to justify the EX-L at 4-5K more.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • I have driven a Suburban for years, but I'm now ready to try a Minivan. I've finally convinced my husband that we are now middle-aged geezers with 3 kids and it's time to move on. The one feature of a minivan that is very important to me, is the 60/40 split in the 3rd seat. Since we need 5 seats, this would give us much more cargo space...the one thing I do hate giving up with the Suburban. So from what I've researched, this really limits my options to Chrysler, Toyota or 2005 Honda. Am I right on this? I drove a 2004 Toyota, and really liked it. I'm very used to driving my tank, so this was quite a change. Next I drove a Town and Country, and I just couldn't do it. I suffer from motion sickness very easily, and this thing had me queasy in 30 seconds on the road. I don't know if it was because I had no hood to look out onto (like in a Suburban) or if it was the curve of the windshield. A couple of people have said that different vehicles bothered them if the windshield curved too much. I am waiting to drive the new Honda to see if this creates a problem. I'm not sure why the Sienna didn't bother me. I probably need to drive it again to make sure. We live 50 miles from Honda and Toyota dealers though, so it's a little difficult to just hop over for a spin. Also they don't have the 2005 Hondas yet, so I'm waiting to make the trip. Has anybody ever experienced this with any minivans?
  • Use ALG.com for resale comparisom. Hondas are typically worth 5-8% more than a Toyota across the board. Honda just got #1 position for resale value on their entire model lineup from ALG.com. That was for last year, new results should be out soon. Toyota offers rebates on their vehicles, this hurts resale values. Look at Dodge's $6000 back, what are Dodge's worth a year later...nil!!! REBATES are not your friend.
  • Hey, Honda offers rebates, too-- they just disguise them in the form of cheap lease deals or factory-to-dealer incentives. Honda is famous for this. They're not fooling anyone.

    You don't think the factory-to-dealer incentive and cheap lease on the '04 Ody hurt resale values? Think again.
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