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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    ... or like "Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna". The discussion about who said what is now over. Let's get back to the topic at hand before posts have to be removed.

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  • Does anyone know if the 2007 Sienna with the DVD player has an aux input that will allow the kids to play video games like the Odyssey does? I actually can't believe I care as the kids play too much video games already, but it does keep them quiet on long trips.
  • The 2006 has the aux video/audio input... plus AC power to boot! I would expect the 2007 to have the same.
  • aa0526aa0526 Posts: 27
    I don't know much about the passenger side airbags on either vans but on either Ody or Sienna - will installing after-market leather affect the passenger side airbags performance?

    How about folding the 3rd row? How do after-market leather affect the folding of the 3rd row seats?

    Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For MY2007, the LE with Package 3 actually gets power sliding doors on both sides. That makes it closer to the Honda EX package, sort of.

    It also makes up the HP difference, FWIW.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is this just a bad time to buy a van, or what?

    I ask because I'm looking at prices for both and they're significantly higher than they were in the fall.

    The Ody LX was $22810 at the local no-haggle place, now it's $23605. EX went from $25552 to $26246.

    Sienna got more upgrades for 07, but the price hit was a lot bigger. I saw LE models from $22900 to $23228 (the latter with 8 seats and pkg 3), and now they're running $25276 to $26698!

    Yikes.

    Is my timing bad for shopping? Maybe wait until spring and incentives will re-appear?

    Even left over 06 Sienna models cost more than they did in the fall. Sheesh. :mad:

    -juice
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    There seems to be a reduction in the holdback for Odyssey's shipped after Jan 4, and that may be affecting the market a bit.

    Right now, the good pricing is for 06 Sedonas (currently running around $17k for an LX w/o options).

    More Odyssey deals should come a bit later - there is a minor model change due this fall.
  • labagitlabagit Posts: 19
    Excuse me for being ignorant, but I don't understand what is meant by a reduction in the holdback for Odyssey's.

    What have you heard about model changes for the fall?
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    Holdback is money that a manufacturer rebates to dealers and is calculated as a percentage of MSRP. The holdback on Odysseys had been 3%. So, on a Touring R&N with an MSRP very close to 40K, the holdback was almost $1200. On an LX, the figure would be about $780. This is (in part) why dealers can sell them for less than invoice and still make money.

    It is anticipated that Honda will refresh the Odyssey for '08 with minor styling changes, etc. They hold things close to the vest and hard details will be a long while coming.
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    My thought is that Odyssey pricing right now has been driven higher by the current Honda financing offer. Just a guess but Toyota's incentives on the '06 models may have been reduced since the December promotion.
  • sjmomsjmom Posts: 2
    When using all 8 seats including up to three child booster/ car seats, which vehicle provides greater flexibility?
    I was leaning toward the Honda, because of the leg room in the third row and the fact that you don't have to fold down the seat to get into the third row. I'm just wondering if I'm going to have problems fitting the car seats in, whereas the Sienna can take car seats all across the 2nd row.
  • We got a great price on an '06 Sienna - bought it last night. My mind is still a little frazzled, but they gave us $6,000 off MSRP of a Sienna XLE lmtd with aftermarket DVD, which put it more than $2,000 below invoce - and we didn't elect the $2,000 cash-back; we went with the financing deal (5 yrs at 1.9%).

    I bet the holdback orsome other incentive Toyota offers to dealers to move '06s is what allowed them to do this and still make money.

    PS - The salesman insisted on giving us the deal by overpaying on our trade, rather than reducing the purchase price. I assume it's so he'd get a higher commission. Do you agree? I think doing it this way caused us to pay higher taxes b/c the car we bought was more $$$$ than otherwise. Do you agree?
  • My husband said the same thing about the 3rd row on our Sienna that it's a little tight back there..but I was thinking since if it's just children you'll be seating in the 2nd row, do you think that the seats can be moved up alittle so you'll have more leg room in the 3rd row. That might solve the problem for the 3rd row.
  • sjmomsjmom Posts: 2
    How about car seats? Do you ever need to put a few in at a time? When I drive carpool, I need to fit in four. Any experience with this?
  • desi0desi0 Posts: 3
    Those prices for honda quite good. Can I ask where the dealer is located?
  • Just curious, where did you buy the Sienna?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like a deal but maybe they more wiggle room on high-end models like that.

    I do agree that they gave you more on the trade to make the sale price seem higher.

    Prices I quoted are from fitzmall.com (Toyota) and http://www.brownscar.com/ for Honda Arlington. Both quote no-haggle prices on-line.

    I've used Fitz, they are for real. Just add $99 processing, and even that's up front. Prices even include freight (not sure if Browns does for the Honda).

    -juice
  • Stadium Toyota in Tampa, FL.
  • hondalovahondalova Posts: 189
    We paid $26,000 for an EX cloth without any additional upgrades in early December '06. Two different dealers quoted me the same price so I think I got a pretty fair deal. We haggled a little from the original quote, but I opted not to squeeze too much in order not to sour the service relationship I hope to have with their shop.

    Oh, and I should add that the purchase was made in Middletown, NY, about 60 miles north of NY City.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    We would be driving a 2006 Odyssey EX cloth if we could have purchased an Ocean Mist Metallic one for $ 26,000 at the time we got our 2006 Sienna LE. :shades:
  • ticzonticzon Posts: 3
    I also bought a 2006 Sienna XLE fully stock with leather seats and DVD player. The dealer took off $5000 of the MSR and gave me 5 years at 0% financing. I didn't even have to fight for the deal. Location: San Jose, CA (Capitol Toyota). I bought the Sienna on Jan 14, 2007.
  • labagitlabagit Posts: 19
    Just curious since I have no way of knowing MSRP, what was the price in relation to invoice? Thx.
  • hondalovahondalova Posts: 189
    That's the prettier color - we went for the light sage mist green metallic (that may not be what Honda calls it exactly, but that's what it looks like). We thought we were buying a color we liked that nobody else had - until we brought it home and started seeing it on Odysseys all over.
  • labagitlabagit Posts: 19
    Nevermind. I realized I do have that info. :blush:
  • ticzonticzon Posts: 3
    Here is the deal I got:
    2006 XLE Sienna. with option package deal #1.
    Has heated electric leather seat, moon roof, cruise control with the laser, run flat tires, AWD, carpet mats, wheel locks, etc. $35738 + Tax and Lic. I also got the 0% Financing for 60 months. I also put nothing down. I just signed the papers and drove the Sienna off the lot. Dealer said they lost $1100 on my deal. True? Seem to be a good deal, without having to fight for the deal. :confuse: (location: Capitol Toyota, San Jose, CA)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Lost $1100 maybe until they get their holdback and/or other incentives. They wouldn't sell it for a loss that big.

    -juice
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979

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  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Anybody drove the '07 Sienna? Felt any boost in acceleration in real life, or does it look good on paper only? Any other changes?
  • zakimanzakiman Posts: 71
    I would like to sell one of my two cars to buy a mninivan in a few months, but I am not sure which one will be more beneficial. car#1 is a 2003 Honda Accord with 120K miles(my commute car, hgwy miles), and car #2 is a 2006 Camry with 10k miles. I am debating on which car I should sell to buy the minivan, considering car#2 will be worth more and hence my down payment will be more. On the other hand car#1 has a lot of miles and I might sell it and make car#2 may commute car. What would you do? any suggestions are welcome.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We're in a similar situation, with a '98 Forester with 93k miles and an 02 Legacy with 44k miles.

    We'll probably keep the newer car. Long-term we'll probably keep it, so whatever more we'd get for it now on the trade would be lost by having to do a 2nd trade down the road.

    But...go with your gut. If the Accord feels solid and substantial, like it'll last forever, then keep it. As the owner you know it best. Perhaps also discuss with your mechanic, how long does it feel like it would last?

    -juice
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