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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • bobber1bobber1 Posts: 217
    We bought the Odyssey because we thought it handled better than the Toyota and was more responsive. Because of that you tend to feel more of the bumps too. The Toyota has a softer ride.

    I heard one guy compare the Toyota van to a Cadillac as it has a relatively soft ride, while the Honda could be compared to a BMW with a more sport tuned ride.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yeah, that was me. Unfortunately, a Toyota driver got offended with the Cadillac/Lincoln reference. I didn't mean the whole vehicle resembled Lincoln/Caddy, just the ride characteristics (plush).
  • bobber1bobber1 Posts: 217
    Oh yeah I remember that exchange. That was silly. It was intended as a compliment. You were comparing apples to oranges and really wasn't saying one was better than the other, just different.
  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    The Odyssey rides notably firmer than the Sienna. When I'm alone, my Touring is almost too stiff for my taste. When fully loaded, it is just right.

    The Sienna is much softer, at least with only a driver aboard. Haven't been in one loaded up.

    Don't know about the current Chryslers.


    I would put our T&C in between the Toyota and Honda vans as far as ride goes. The Honda isn't bad, but it definately carries the bumps into the cabin, which the others don't. I drive a Maxima so I don't mind this, but I can see how this wouldn't be a favorable trait to a lot of minivan buyers.

    Actually, I think the Toyota -> Lincoln analogy works very well, although I'd be more inclined to say Toyota -> Buick. It's a very soft, wallowy ride. I personally like this kind of ride in a minivan, I'm more interested in comfort than cutting curves.

    IMO the Chrysler's ride and handling are more similar to the Toyota, but it's not quite as numb and isolated and therefore has a touch of the Honda.

    Better yet, cmh should go test drive all 3 and get back to us. :shades:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Your post sounds about right to me.

    The Odyssey, in my opinion, is the minivan for people who really don't want one, therefore they have made it as carlike as possible (sportier handling, lower seating position). The other two fully embrace their mini-van-ness with a soft ride for its passengers, and no fun whatsoever behind the wheel as a result. The Odyssey tries to compromise, the others do not. As a result, you end up with very different driving experiences.
  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    Just of the sake of being complete, the Nissan Quest is quite a bit like the Honda. It drives a lot like a giant Maxima, actually. :shades:

    Too bad the driver's seat only goes like 13 inches back from the brake pedal. It is seriously built for dwarves and hobbits.
  • benchbench Posts: 14
    I need a minivan to aid in lifting an oxygen generator. Our present vehicles are the Ford Five Hundred and Toyota Avalon. We already have an arm lift in the Avalon but have difficulty easily putting it in or taking it out of the trunk, especially on vacation with frequent moves. With a minivan we thought we could eliminate the 3rd row of seats to install the lift but not certain if the flooring would allow installation and space. If we left the seating as designed I believe we'd ruin the last row by installing and placing 50 lbs. of equipment on the collapsed seat. Any suggestions?
  • hondalovahondalova Posts: 189
    Maybe so but, unlike the Toyota and Honda, which have Average or Above-Average reliability ratings in CR, the Quest is a solid black dot (worst possible rating).

    I found that surprising (both the Quest and the Titan) - coming from a Japanese carmaker that is probably making the next Accord fighter in the new Altima and whose models otherwise have fairly good reliability (I used to own a Maxima - great car).

    -FS
  • crestonavecrestonave Posts: 219
    I don't think 50 lbs is a whole lot of weight. Several bags of groceries might add up to close to that.

    In any case what I would do would be to first lay down a sheet of plywood, cut to cover the rear seating area over the top of the folded down seats, and place the oxygen generator on top of the plywood. The plywood should help disperse the weight of the equipment.
  • caravan2caravan2 Posts: 198
    I don't know what to make of CR ratings. How could rate a 2007 models so soon? Specially, Sienna just came out.

    I probably would not put a lot of weight to their ratings. Historically, ODY and Sienna have been Nos. 1 & or 2&1... with new engine in Sienna, I suppose it also had a new transmission... who knows what problems it will have....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They forecast reliability unless a model is brand new.

    While the engine is new, they have data on that engine from other Toyotas.

    I think they only publish the details if they get a sample size of 1000 or greater, so we won't know those until next year's auto issue.

    -juice
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    Suggest your best course here is to consult with a company that does vehicle modifications for lifts, etc. They should be able to offer some very practical ideas for how best to go about what you wish to accomplish.
  • benchbench Posts: 14
    :confuse: My husband and I have been researching minivans until I'm blue in the face, hence my icon is a correct expression. We took your advice, located Advanced Mobility and learned they'd be able to install a lift in a minivan without problems. Due to back problems a passenger power seat seems to lead us to the Sienna XLE or XLE Limited, so now it's a matter of making a decision and taking a loss on the Ford with only 1000 miles on it. I don't like the AWD feel of our Ford Five Hundred but is it wise to have a minivan with it?

    I appreciated the posting comparing the Odyssey to a BMW and the Sienna with a Cadillac, regardless of offence taken by some. With a bad back I'd rather have a soft ride than a hard one that drives the seatback into your spine. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
  • :surprise: what region of the country do you live in? I live in a snow prone area and am a huge advocate of AWD. My experience in a Grand Caravan AWD leads me to believe it is the safest drive system for getting power/torque to the road with the least amount of drama. Never do I experience wheel spin or a pull to the steering from sand or slippage. Plus the weight and power distribution ensures better breaking and steering.
    What was it about the Five Hundred that you didn't like?
  • My understanding (layman) of most FWD transmission problems has to do with the shock to the drivetrain (and a small pin) when the wheel spins jerks and grabs on loose gravel sand etc. Funny thing is the AWD (Caravan) has an excellent reliability history possibly due to the distribution of power to 4 wheels..
  • benchbench Posts: 14
    We're at 275 ft. elevation in So.CA but family lives at 4500 ft. where they have winter snow. Also, it's our desire to travel again to the Sierras at 7-11,000 ft. elevation as well as seeing the Grand Canyon and other sights east of us. All these are also too high for my husband without access to a refillable portable oxygen tank which we haven't had the opportunity to try yet since we were told it couldn't be put in the Five Hundred on its side and putting it manually in the back seat means a lift and twist. My husband likes his Five Hundred, I like my Avalon but neither trunk is high enough for the oxygen generator to stand upright. Oxygen isn't necessary where we live but going to the mountains is a problem. Maybe we're just two stubborn people who refuse to give up to age?
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    I'm a long time awd Dodge driver and have 7K miles on an awd 2006 sienna le. Love the Toyota, and LOVE AWD. You will like the vehicle. Gas mileage has been pretty poor for the first 6K miles, just rounding out now to about 21-22 on the highway and 18-20 in town. The Dodges I owned did a little better with the gas but did not ride as well nor were they as quiet... Good Luck and stay stubborn :shades:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    BENCH SAID:....I appreciated the posting comparing the Odyssey to a BMW and the Sienna with a Cadillac, regardless of offence taken by some. With a bad back I'd rather have a soft ride than a hard one that drives the seatback into your spine. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated....
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    You are quite welcome. I do want to clarify that the Odyssey does not ride harshly. It is the firmest minivan on the market (with the best handling), but it also rides much softer than my Accord, which rides quite well as it is. I recently took a trip with my great aunt and grandmother from Birmingham to Oklahoma City to visit my parents. It is a 750 mile trip that my aunt's 2005 Odyssey made very comfortable. The seats fit me very well (that doesn't mean they will fit you well, it is best to try them out), and the ride is so much softer than my Accord it was creamy in comparison. A Sienna will ride softer than an Odyssey, with a loss of handling capability, but to be honest, it sounds like the Sienna is a better fit for you.

    Not trying to sound like a know-it-all here, just trying to help. Make sure you test drive them both to get an idea of which you prefer more.

    **By the way, halfway through the trip, we hit a massive hailstorm which turned the road into a nearly solid coating of hail/ice. The VSA (Vehicle Stability Assist) light was blinking indicating it was working to keep us pointed straight around I-40s curves (even though we had slowed drastically at this point), and the system performed flawlessly. I felt it cut the power at one point, apparently keeping me on my intended path. After this experience, and the much better brake-pedal modulation and feel, I know I'd feel more confident in an Odyssey than in many vehicles. I didn't find AWD necessary at all. If you have a lot of snow for months out of the year however, you might want to give AWD a try.
  • benchbench Posts: 14
    Oops! There I go being offensive again. :blush: Sorry Odyssey owners. Who knows, the way we're going we could still end up with Honda. If it would fit the bill I'd have the Pilot I lusted after it's first year out.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    No No, You weren't being offensive. I was just trying to put things in perspective. No harm at all in what you're posting! :)
  • benchbench Posts: 14
    :sick: My thin skin is giving me a sunburn! I think it's time to regroup. A friend suggested we go with an SUV instead of a minivan. I'm not as sure, regardless of my interest in the Pilot, as I think the sliding doors and the tailgate would make our travels much easier. We'd still have the lift for an oxygen generator and the smaller piece of equipment that accompanies it but it would be just the two of us most of the time. They're forgetting a woman's luggage! Need I say more? OR does a minivan need the more equally distributed weight of additional people to ride/drive well? Thanks for the input...it's still welcome.
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Posts: 681
    A minivan is a lot of car for 2 people. If you've got a lot of stuff, it makes for a wise choices, especially with all the configurations. For us, on long trips, we have the 60% back seat up, which is where my son's car seat is; the 40% rear is folded flat for better storage; the front driver's side captain's chair sits my daughter and we totally removed the other captain's chair, which also allows for easy storage.

    Maybe you want to look at Mazda's minivan which is a lot smaller, but still a minivan?

    I'm not a fan of the SUV, so I'd probably go with a cross-over or station wagon if not a minivan...
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    They're forgetting a woman's luggage! Need I say more? OR does a minivan need the more equally distributed weight of additional people to ride/drive well? Thanks for the input...it's still welcome.

    The Pilot is based on the Odyssey minivan, so their suspensions will likely handle similarly. My aunt is single, and has driven minivans (odysseys) since 2000. We had a 2000 model ourselves, and rarely had 3 people or more in it. It handled and rode just as well as when it had more people in it.

    Trust me, I recently traveled with my grandmother and my great aunt in her Odyssey. Having the power doors and low load height of the minivan's cargo area made traveling much easier than being in an SUV.
  • practicalpractical Posts: 53
    When coming to AWD, Sienna is the only one, we all know.

    But, how bad, I mean $$$ for replacing RFT. They are the standard on ALL AWD.

    Sales not sure if ok to replace them w/o the rim.

    '06 AWD on TireRack.com don't show RFT. What's the point?
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    TireRack does indeed show the Bridgestone B 380 runflats for the 06 Sienna AWD. They will sell them to you for $155.00 a tire! I will probably opt for just the mini spare, and conventional tires when the Run Flats wear out / warranty doesn't cover their replacement...
  • loncrayloncray Posts: 301
    Can you put conventional tires on the Sienna RFT rims? The rims on the Ody Touring RFT's are an odd size - if you go to conventional tires you need to replace the rims as well. And $155 a tire is not bad from my point of view - I just bought new tires for my Ram 4x4 at $191 apiece from TireRack and they're the OEM Michelins - not even bigger than normal tires.
  • crestonavecrestonave Posts: 219
    Will changing either the tires and/or the rims cause issues with the TPS?
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    The Sienna Runflat tires and OEM rims will allow you to go to a conventional tire on the OEM rim.

    The Bridgestone tires have a very stiff sidewall, do not offer great traction and they will probably wear very quickly from the looks of their UTOQ numnber. The local tires plus in MN rotates the tires free with their semi synthetic oil change for $15.00 so I will rotate every 5K ;) and decide what to do at the time they are worn...
  • jm38jm38 Posts: 27
    Just picked up my new Limited yesterday. It replaced my 2004 Limited. I got the Limited Package #1 and noticed on the window sticker this package includes one pair of wireless headphones. But also on the list is one pair of wireless headphones for $82. Why does Toyota give you another pair and charge you for them? Who needs 4 sets of headphones?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, you've got 5 seats back there, right?

    Sounds to me like you're one short. :P

    If you only need 4 seats than a Yaris offers plenty of room. ;)
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