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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • Again you are ignoring the link, it is not from Motor Trend it is from the NHTSA and it is their own heading saying it is the Model year 2008, not Motor Trend. However if you think anyone buys your unfounded and unverified "proof" then go on, it really is in the link for anyone that wants to read for themselves. You have no proof, no verifiable source document, no listing to support your "proof". The link however goes directly to NHTSA.gov's own website and it is their study. All vehicle manufacturers must submit vehicle to the administration for testing, so if Toyota wanted to dispute the results they have every opportunity, so far you haven't produced that thread either. So NHTSA says model year 2008 on their web site, no Toyota dispute of facts found, your Proof" has no positive basis for providing proof other than your supposition of same results.

    I'm through with you and your suppositions. You have no proof and it makes not sense to talk to a one way street.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I got a fish-eye lens, basically a piece of thick plastic film you wet and apply to the rear window. A lot of shuttle vans have those. I think it works well and it cost me $20 or so. Got it from AutoZone.

    I didn't want to pay $2000 for a built-in GPS, my Garmin Nuvi 260w does just fine and was $149 with newer maps.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sorry, I can't see what you are referring to because your link is broken. :confuse:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Searched on my own, since your earlier link didn't work, here is NHTSA's 2006 results:

    http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/safercar/menuitem.db847bd57e3dc1f885dfc38c35- - a67789/?vgnextoid=c95df2905bf54110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD

    Those are exactly the same for 2005-2008, but they shouldn't be. 3MZ vs. 2GR engine block, plus the other differences I mentioned.

    For 2005 they even show a photo of the same exact red van. Also in 2006. And 2007. And 2008. I bet it still shows up for 2009 and 2010 models as well. NHTSA is just recycling old information.

    Think about this - you're saying they tested a 2008 model, yet the 2005 has the exact same results, exactly. Same color, even.

    Head Injury Criterion: 473 driver, 404 passenger
    Chest deceleration: 45 driver, 39 passenger
    Femur load: 829/774, 826/770

    Perhaps they got a time machine, tested a 2008 model, then want back in time and rated the 2005 model the same way.

    I'm kidding, of course. :D

    Don't say you don't have a sense of humor because a couple of posts ago you said you were "LMAO".
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not sure why you seem to have it out for me. Did I offend you in some way? :confuse:

    I think my point has been very valid all along. NHTSA tested an early Sienna, with those exact results first published in 2005, with a photo of the same red van, results they are still using today.

    You wrote:

    MODEL YEAR 2008 and it is the NHTSA website

    Yeah, same as MODEL YEAR 2005, so why shout about it?

    you will need to produce real proof not just a supposition

    Go to safecar.gov, click on Start Here. Search for 2005, then 2008. Identical. Copied. There was no new test.

    unless you can show it was not, then it is all conjecture on your part. Oh wait, it's a giant conspiracy to use old models but say they were current....LMAO...

    I showed they re-used 2005 results. Common sense is good enough for me.

    As for conspiracy, maybe it was me who snuck in on the assembly line and changed all of the engines to the 3.5l without Toyota noticing that the 3.3l had been replaced. After all, I really wanted that 266hp! :D

    you are ignoring the link

    As mentioned above, it was a broken link, there was nothing to see at the time.

    You have no proof, no verifiable source document, no listing to support your "proof". The link however goes directly to NHTSA.gov's own website

    The same site shows the 2005 results. safecar.gov is the link.

    I'm through with you and your suppositions

    Review all the things you said above, and that's probably a good thing, I've had enough of your Haterade.

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  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    These are actual quotes by the same guy!

    Nahhh... the name is spelled different. Post on toyotajunk.

    The top of the line Ody had the nicest looking interior of any minivan I've ever sat in. But, I went with the Mazda MPV, which is heads and tails better than both the Ody and Sienna put together. ZOOM ZOOM ZOOMING outta here!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Those had ingenious 2nd row seats that would slide together and apart. Perhaps the only seats you could move around with a child seat still secured.

    A bit small and low on power with no gains in fuel efficiency. Still, it's too bad Mazda didn't update it. We got the CX9 instead.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    A bit small and low on power with no gains in fuel efficiency. Still, it's too bad Mazda didn't update it

    Well, they updated it... but just didn't offer it for sale in the U.S. I think it is sold in Japan and Asia under a different name. Much stronger engine as it is turbocharged, or maybe supercharged, updated with latest electronics and safty features.. slightly bigger with reclining second row captain chairs.. I think it would sell well against the Ody and Sienna if mpg improved... not sure what it is now.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I test drove an MPV a while ago, also a CX9 when those came out.

    The CX9 gives up lots of space compared to vans, it's not even close. That plus gas mileage isn't nearly as good.

    Mazda lost a sale. I do love my Miata, though. :shades:
  • Check your own site, enter the 2006 and 2008 side by side...review the options and standard equipment listed in the information and you will see several updated items....in addition items like additional webbing are different, and then the items now standard in 2008 that were options in 2006 or vice versa are listed.

    Many sites reuse pictures but as stated on the NHTSA site these are 2008 model year tested vehicles, so again, even your supposed proof can be refuted because as mentioned the equipment lists are updated.

    So unless you can prove that those results are from the same test of the old model year you have nothing but a ridiculous supposition that "common sense" just doesn't cut it.

    Yeah I have an issue with people like you that make truly stupid remarks and then try to justify when called out. You are like an old woman...all talk... "common sense"...blah blah blah, but no proof and the crap you use to support also has no proof, yet the information you question is right there in black and white. If Toyota thought that was bogus they would be all over it....so now I am done with you. You have nothing to provide worth reading or responding to. reading all your posts I realize you are either lonely or a pumper, either way a waste of time. Harsh yeah, true definitely
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    ...any big changes coming soon?
  • toyojunktoyojunk Posts: 19
    Excellent summary in last sentence. It makes no sense to talk to a one way street typical of Sienna owners.
  • yatesjoyatesjo Posts: 186
    I've searched through the regulations.gov web site for the full vehicle crash reports (Painfully incompetent web programing BTW. Are these really the people we want running our healthcare system?). The most recent frontal impact report is 2005 MY and side impact report is 2006 MY.
    Those reports can be fount here and here.
    If there were any more recent tests done, I cannot find them.

    I would think that if there was a significant redesign of the engine mounting and firewall that a retest would be called for. On the other hand the folks at the NHTSA may have looked at the redesign and made a judgment call that the changes would not significantly change the impact test results. They do have a limited budget to work with and I'm sure cannot afford to test every model every year so they have to make judgment calls on what and when to test. I have to agree with ateixera that the data they are giving for 2007 and later are copied over from previous years and not specific to those MY.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    enter the 2006 and 2008 side by side...review the options and standard equipment list

    Now you are changing the subject, we were talking about crash test ratings, not equipment. If they updated that, great, but the fact is they have not updated the crash test results since they were posted for model year 2005.

    Here's proof again, in case you missed it:

    http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/safercar/menuitem.db847bd57e3dc1f885dfc38c35- a67789/?vgnextoid=c95df2905bf54110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD

    NHTSA shows the same van with the same crash test results, in 2005.

    Still believe the time machine conspiracy theory?

    All along, my one and only point has been that NHTSA is wrong. You seemed to take that personally, and have thrown all sorts of attacks at me, now you're calling me names.

    This isn't about you, or me, it's a government agency that has made an obvious mistake.

    Bottom line: the 2005 and 2008 models cannot have exactly the same results.

    This is true whether I'm a stupid, lonely, or an old woman, all that is irrelevant. NHTSA made a mistake.

    I stand by what I've been saying since the beginning.

    Let me ask you something - do you think it's possible for the 2008 and 2005 models to have the exact same crash test results? Exactly?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It makes no sense to talk to a one way street typical of Sienna owners

    Let me remind you that you are one of them.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Painfully incompetent web programing BTW

    Absolutely, agreed 100%.

    The most recent frontal impact report is 2005 MY and side impact report is 2006 MY.

    Thank you, thank you, for taking the time to fish through that awful web site.

    So the bottom line is I was right - they have not tested any post 2007 model with the 2GR engine family. :shades:

    So much for me being stupid, lonely, and an old woman.

    Perhaps certain folks here can start showing some respect for others. Not that I expect an apology.... :blush:
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Ahh, Juice, you know that only stupid, lonely, old women drive Miatas ;)

    Wait, what does that make me? :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    :D

    My next door neighbor has both of these vans, one Ody and one Sienna, and I found out he just traded in the Ody and got a 2nd Sienna.

    He has 4 kids so the 8th seat appealed to him. They need all the seating they can get!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    He has 4 kids so the 8th seat appealed to him. They need all the seating they can get!

    Has someone explained to them how that happens? :shades:
  • yatesjoyatesjo Posts: 186
    As the father of 3 children within the first 5 years of my marriage, I've heard that comment made to me before. It is not original or funny, it's insulting.

    It may be a foreign concept to you, but some of us actually enjoy our children and want more than the culturally accepted two. The nice thing about our 8 passenger Sienna is that if we spread them out we can fit up to six before we have to go to a larger van.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Lucky for you my comment wasn't directed in your direction. It was at juice, who I've been posting alongside for years now. I think most people who've been around here awhile know I tend to be pretty PC, and objective. If I was intentionally insulting, and did that regularly, I don't think the hosts would've allowed my 9,200 posts around here.

    And, lighten up a little- that's what the " :shades: " is for. It wasn't a slam at anyone with multiple kids.

    Anyway, like I asked earlier (and this is directed to all)... when are some notable changes coming around?
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    I don't think the hosts would've allowed my 9,200 posts around here.

    I just checked... you've got 9,198 posts. Sorry, your credibility is now shot. :P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My cousin also has 4 kids. She has an 02 (I think?) Ody LX. She loves it, but they can only squeeze in one friend. Back then Odys were selling for MSRP, remember those days?

    Their LX cost them $25 grand. Today she could get an EX for less.

    We have two and my wife seemingly asks me every day if I want to have another. I think she'd be thrilled if I said Yes. I guess I'm happy with the status quo.

    We do have a full-time nanny so most of the time we're carrying 3 people in the 2nd row. The nanny sits in the middle so the kids don't fight, that seems to work well.

    If we had a 3rd I'm not sure how we'd do it. Maybe the big kids in the 3rd row, and the nanny and infant in the 2nd row, with that middle seat folded down as a table?

    Actually, it might be better to slide that middle seat forward and put the baby there, so mom could reach the child, too.

    Pretty cool to have 3 individual seats that slide fore/aft and recline. One nice thing about that position is the outboard passengers have extra shoulder room, since the middle seat is well forward of theirs.

    Plus the baby would be exactly in the middle of the car - the safest possible location, with plenty of crumple space on all sides.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I don't think I explained that well, let me share a pic of the Sienna's "front and center" location for the baby...

    It is too big, just click here:

    http://www.toyota.com/img/vehicles/2010/sienna/gallery/full/2009-Sienna-15.jpg
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yep! A liar and baby-hater. That's me.

    ;)

    I personally can't wait to be a parent; there's that whole "marriage" thing first though; at 21 (22 on Monday) I'd say I've got some time!
  • where can i get an ex for under 25K? Every dealer starts out over 30K, and look at me like I have five heads when I tell them that I cannot go over 27K.
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    Buy a pre-owned or a certified one. :shades:
  • saz_1saz_1 Posts: 30
    I've driven both the Sienna and the Odyssey. I live in the DC Metro area. I like the idea of AWD because of the extra safety it gives, but I've heard that because the engine is heavy at the front, it doesnt offer too much additional protection vs the non-AWD Ody. I prefer the Ody in most other respects. Any advice?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure, check the Ody prices paid thread, I guess. People brag about prices like that, though inventories are down so maybe not right now.

    In 2007, when I was shopping, my best e-Quote was $26,584 with fees and freight. I'm sure I've seen better than that since then, though.

    My cousin added a 6CD changer (dealer installed) plus a roof rack to her 02 LX so it's a wash. The EX comes with those IIRC.
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