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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • This is a comment posted to another forum (Brand problems swept under the rug):

    Here is another website of unhappy Toyota owners about the techniques used, or not used, to keep owners informed about problems. It was started November 10, 2009.

    http://sites.google.com/site/toyotav6oillinescandal/
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    It's getting more and more difficult to find quality products anywhere. Everybody seems to be intent on cutting corners as much as possible.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Post that in a few more places.......
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Honda has had recent problems, too, like the 2-round airbag recall that was expanded. NHTSA is investigating why they limited the recall in a first round of recalls, suspecting cover-ups/foul play.

    Why don't we keep stuff like that in that thread, where it belongs?
  • yatesjoyatesjo Posts: 186
    I think a Toyota vs Honda thread is a perfect place to talk about the shortcomings of both vehicles- mechanical problems included.

    At least we aren't including the Chrysler twins in the discussion or else we'd not hear about anything but their mechanical problems. Both Toyota and Honda have well earned quality reputations and both, unfortunately, are willing to take some not quite ethical actions to keep those reputations from getting tarnished.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sienna is still the #1 van for reliability. If the problem were affecting these vans CR's data would show that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not a single minivan makes the list. :(

    Lots of room for improvement, from every single minivan:

    http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr111809.html
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    But then again, if you check the individual results for:
    Chrysler Town & Country
    Honda Odyssey
    Kia Sedona
    Toyota Sienna

    you will see the following:
    Roof strength test results
    No roof strength tests have been conducted for this vehicle.

    To get a Top Safety Pick, you must score Good on this (rollover). Since none have been tested, none can get a Top Safety Pick.
  • In some ways, these ratings are misleading. I would much rather take my chances in a large minivan than be in a wreck in a Nissan Cube!

    Until these tests get "real" about what happens in the real world, you have to take these ratings with a huge grain of salt! :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good catch.

    I guess they're different than Consumer Reports.

    CR will recommend a vehicle until/unless it fails a test.

    I guess IIHS will only name a Top pick after it passes all tests.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yes, a Cube is lighter and more narrow, so it's much more likely to roll in the first place.

    I still think it's important, though. A manufacturer can "cheat" and design a safety cage to perform well for a specific test, i.e. at a specific speed, or angle, or height.

    This test is new so noone cheated. Those 27 cars have solid pillars/roof structures even before they knew IIHS would be measuring that.
  • I am currently the owner of a 2000 Odyssey with 260K miles. We are planning on purshasing a new Sienna in the Spring of 2010...most likely the XLE. Has anyone purchased the "Vehicle Protection Plan"? Is it worth purshasing? Is it worth upgrading the stereo system...is it that much better? Also, I heard that the Sienna has gone up about $800...any truth to that? Appreciate any input.

    Oops, meant to say "Vehicle Shield Package".
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Just curious here as to what made you decide to switch from your Odyssey (which you apparently drove a LOT!) to a Sienna. We had a 2000 Odyssey which we liked a lot.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    By Spring 2010 the redesign should arrive, or be right around the corner. You may just have ideal timing to get the best price on the current model, so good luck, first off.

    Vehicle Shield Package is probably a dealer package with Scotchguard, paint sealant, VIN etching, etc. Those are cash cows for the dealer and IMHO unnecessary.

    Has the price gone up $800? I don't think so. In fact incentives are pretty good right now.
  • We sure have driven our Odyssey a lot (still are). We live in a rural area and are close to nothing, so we do put a lot of miles on our vehicles. I will say that we have been mostly happy with our Odyssey. It has been very good to us. Aside from replacing the usual items, we have only had to replace the radiator, water pump, and the ac hose. My two biggest complaints about our Odyssey is the road/wind noise and cup holders...they are to shallow ( we have many stains because our passengers "forgot" to hold onto their drinks while the driver made a turn). Anyhow, to answer your question, I believe the Odyssey and Sienna both have good reliabilty, of course that is most important to our family since we keep our vehicles for a long time. So after ten years with the Odyssey I decided to switch to the Sienna for something "different".
  • Do you know if the Lusterizing Sealant which is listed under the Vehicle Shield Package is the same thing as their Paint Protection Film which is listed on their accessories page? Sorry if I seem a little dense, but Toyota's different options, packages,etc. can drive a person a little nutty trying to figure it all out. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sorry, no idea. I don't generally shop for that type of stuff.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,315
    The paint sealant stuff isn't even recommended by the mfgr. Not only is it overpriced, car finishes today are so good all you need is a wax job once a year. Some dealers include the pro pac for free. Then they expect you to keep up with inspections and reapplications to preserve the "warranty ". Never ending expense and you don't need it.
  • Ok, thanks anyway.
  • "Once a year", glad to hear that. Waxing is not one of my favorite things to do.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We wash our van every time it rains. :D

    Whether it needs it or not! :P
  • i have a 2010 le and generally love the car but am very unhappy with the drivers seat.

    this is the most uncomfortable car seat i have ever sat in.

    i have tried every position i can and i constantly get a pain where my right leg meets my butt cheek.

    has anyone else had this experience ???? did anything work to fix your problem?

    thanks
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,315
    You can avoid it altogether -- every 2-3 years have it professionally detailed for $125. It will seem like a new car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not sure if my 2007 seat is the same, but mine's as comfy as my favorite couch.

    Have you played with the cushion angles? I raise the front of the seat to provide extra thigh support.

    Also, if you have power seats, check out the power lumbar support to make sure it's not intruding too much.
  • Do you have something like that done at the dealer?
  • There are many car detailing companies both national chains as well as local shops. Google auto detailers in your area and you will see a listing. Pick the ones closest to you and give them a call and get prices.

    I live near a large auto auction site and the car detailers just multiplied unbelievably since they support the auction. I was able to get a complete detail, shampooing the carpets, wax, engine steam clean, etc, for $95.00 about a year ago.

    just a little research on your part :shades:
  • yes i have the power seat and have tried lumber, seat and back up / down in many different positions... right now i have a towel that i am sitting on and moving around to see if a little extra support will make it better.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,315
    allavalons is right. One additional note. Don't go to the dealer. They outsource detailing to companies and will overcharge you. You could ask the dealer who details their cars and if they like their work. Contact the company directly for a quote.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Maybe try some seat covers. Taxi drivers in Brazil all seem to have those wooden ones, not sure why, but they're so abundant they must work.
  • On Toyota's site, it says that the 1.9% 60 mos. financing ends on 11/30. However, on Edmunds.com, it says it is scheduled to end on 1/4/10. Is it possible that Toyota has decided to keep the promotion going that long already but is just not indicating as such on their websites?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Possible and likely, but e-mail car_man from the car buying forums to verify that's accurate.

    If so, kudos to our hosts for having more recent information. :shades:
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