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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • gmechocgmechoc Posts: 4
    I am a little lost here. What is the difference between the Sienna SE and the Xle and le models?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    LE, XLE, and Limited basically just add more equipment the higher you go in price. Like the outgoing Sienna the emphasis is on comfort.

    SE is a new model with a stiffer suspension, huge wheels, and quicker steering ratio, plus the side skirts and a few other unique touches.

    The 2.7l 4 banger from the Highlander/Venza is now available in base models.

    Once again this is Toyota trying to be all things to all people, with the broadest range of models you'll find anywhere. Price range is sort of crazy - low 20s to mid 40s, though I believe it is still the only minivan to offer AWD and dynamic laser cruise control.

    My guess is you'll find very, very few 4 cylinder models. It's more of a price leader for print ads.

    The LE is the most popular model by far, and my guess is it will remain that way. I'm not sure what'll be 2nd. Some people want a van with everything (Ltd), and I'm not sure if the SE will outsell the XLE. Let's see.
  • With expensive-to-replace 19-inch wheels and cloth+fake leather seats, I highly doubt the SE will outsell the XLEs.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    I think on the SE they stopped just short of putting neon under the car and adding those wheels that spin when you stop at the stoplight.....maybe they could also put on those fat exhaust tips that make the "blllaaaatttt" sound like guys do on their tricked out Honda Civics in Fast and Furious.

    Maybe Toyota can get Vin Diesel to do a TV commercial for the new SE.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, he did drive a Sienna in "The Pacifier." :blush:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Why would you need to replace the wheels? Did you mean tires?

    As long as they're not run-flats, it would not bother me. I'm not sure if they are, to be honest.
  • 1:49am UK, Saturday April 17, 2010

    Huw Borland, Sky News Online

    Toyota is recalling 870,000 Sienna minivans sold in America and Canada because their spare tyres could drop off into the road.
    The recalls cover 1998-2010 model year minivans sold in Canada and several US states which are known for their cold winters.

    The Japanese carmaker said potential rust from long term exposure to road salt, in the worst case, could cause cables holding spare tyres in place to fail.

    The firm needs to inspect some 600,000 two-wheel drive Sienna minivans sold or registered in America and 270,000 in Canada.

    The recalls are the latest in a string that has marred Toyota's reputation for quality.

    For the latest recalls announced on Friday, Toyota said the Sienna minivans should be inspected by dealers while Toyota develops a remedy.

    US owners outside the "cold weather states" will receive a separate notice and may have their vehicles inspected and repaired if necessary at no charge, Toyota said.

    The carmaker said it was unaware of any accidents or injuries caused by rusty spare tyre cables on Siennas.

    But the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it had received six complaints of spare tires falling off the minivans.

    The recalls in America covers the District of Columbia, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia, Vermont, Wisconsin and West Virginia.
  • chatmanrchatmanr Posts: 6
    I actually like the SE. My gripe is only on the clear tailights, the lack of DVD or NAV...how could they not offer that in a vehicle that is meant to transport people???
  • Yes, I meant tires. It would bother me, especially when they cost twice as much to replace as the normal tires.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    I also like the SE. I don't have a problem with the clear taillights. They are on Lexis and other models.

    Knowing how Toyota likes to make money, and the high prices they charge for options, I can't see how they will not put the NAV and DVD on the SE. As soon as this model hits the lots and dealers and customers become aware of this omission, you can bet there will be calls to Toyota to remedy this issue.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Were I to purchase a SE or any 2011 Toyota, I would seriously consider putting 22" black rims, some neon glow (possibly purple) and at least one fart can (maybe duals) on the vehicle. Anything to make it non Mommy or Daddy Like. Do I ever despise that ad campaign.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The ads are tongue-in-cheek, I find them funny from that angle.

    They think they're cool but they're not. I like self-depricating humor.
  • chatmanrchatmanr Posts: 6
    I hope so...the internet dealer told me they could install a NAV and DVD aftermarket version...but why would I do that when the OPTION should be available on ALL minivans IMHO...
  • mojdodyrmojdodyr Posts: 22
    Well, for starters - you can install much better aftermarket system for significantly less, than Toyota would charge you for that OPTION. Be happy and start looking - state of the art Pioneer 9100 would cost you roughly 1000$, plus nice 19" screen - another 200$, plus installation - 200-300$ and few wireless headphones at 20$ each - vs Toyota's Navi plus Rear Entertaining Package - invoice of above 4500.
    Say - THANK YOU, TOYOTA, FOR NOT INCLUDING NAV AND DVD.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree, but that doesn't mean it should not be offered. Those options are cash cows for the manufacturers.

    Also, that's not really an option for everyone who leases.

    I got a 12" aftermarket DVD installed for $900 plus it came with 2 wireless headphones.
  • chatmanrchatmanr Posts: 6
    Why can't I complain? This is a forum of thoughts and opinions, right? Besides, as ateixeira stated, it should be offered...what about those who don't want to risk voiding their warranty due to an aftermarket install?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The rear entertainment systems should be a stand-alone option.

    Even on the Honda you have to get leather first. Why? Make it $2000 and offer it on the LX. Bet it would sell.
  • jimbob1jimbob1 Posts: 70
    I thought on the 2010, you could get RES on the EX trim.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not according to my CR buyer's guide, which could be incorrect.

    Can anyone confirm?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,977
    According to Honda's website, one can get an EX with RES from the factory.
  • Yep, confirmed here: http://automobiles.honda.com/odyssey/price.aspx

    However, how many vehicles they actually produced in that configuration is probably a better question. My gut feeling is not very many.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Thanks, guys. They're not often wrong.

    Last time I found a discrepancy, turned out they were right and the manufacturer's own brochure was wrong! :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    think on the SE they stopped just short of putting neon under the car and adding those wheels that spin when you stop at the stoplight.....

    Just found out the side skirts are an option, so you can get an SE without those, FWIW.

    LE V6 is the best value and likely what most people will get.
  • what about those who don't want to risk voiding their warranty due to an aftermarket install?

    Does it really void the warranty? The full warranty or electrical or what? Does anyone have any idea about this with either Ody or Sienna?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Circuit City installed mine. They said power was already in place, so it was plug and play. There was no splicing of wires, so nothing that would void a warranty.

    They do have to cut the headliner but I haven't seen very many headliner warranty claims. :D
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Circuit City installed your DVD system in a 2011? Thought they went out of business a couple of years ago?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Juice (ateixeira) has an eight-passenger model that is a few years old, from the previous generation Sienna.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Ok, that makes sense.

    Certainly going to a CC or a Best Buy or a stereo shop is an option for entertainment systems. A problem is the newer the vehicle, the more complex is the existing electronic system. Sometimes there are issues when installing aftermarket electronics in the newer vehicles.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My van is a 2007 model, so that was a while ago.

    I'm glad I didn't buy the extended warranty! LOL! CC is long gone.

    No matter, the overhead console is pre-wired. They just tap in to it as a power source. That's it. No splicing.

    I don't see how that could affect any warranty. Might blow a fuse or drain your battery if it's not installed correctly, I suppose.

    Ours has been perfect. It even remembers where the DVD was if you stop in the middle of the movie.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,977
    Does it really void the warranty? The full warranty or electrical or what? Does anyone have any idea about this with either Ody or Sienna?

    The onus would be upon the dealer to prove that an aftermarket install damaged a component. For instance, installation of a nitrous system would have no effect if the radio died. But if you blow the engine and it can be linked directly to installation or use of NOS, then you're out of luck.
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