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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • Ody only need regular grade
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Agree that aftermarket items are NOT as satisfactory as those installed at the factory.
         Question: Do you get as much chrome with aftermarket items as with factory installed?
  • hawaii1hawaii1 Posts: 25
    I am looking at the 2005 Odyessy or Sienna. I leased a 2002 Odyessy and when lease ran out, we got a SUV. Do not like the big SUV for around town, kids, gas etc so now I am looking at new 2005 Odyessy. Really like it but am worried if there is enough back support in this van, this was a problem with other Odyssey. I had back pain with it though the new one seems better. Any advice would be appreciated!!
  • "Agree that aftermarket items are NOT as satisfactory as those installed at the factory.
         Question: Do you get as much chrome with aftermarket items as with factory installed?"

    Okay, now I know you're just kidding around!

    But the answer is, you usually get more chrome aftermarket.
  • If you have not test driven the new Ody, then test drive it.
    If your back hurts, don't buy the Ody and buy the Sienna instead.
    Gadgets are great, especially Ody NAV, but your back/health is number one priority.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,439
    IMO, the new seats in the '05 Ody are a big improvement. One of the reasons i didn't get one in '99 was the front seats didn't feel right to me. Not enough support and the shape wasn't comfy.

    The new ones (I think I have only tried leather) seem to be much improved. There is also an adjustable lumbar support.

    But, since you are so familiar with the old ones, go to the dealer, and take a test sit/drive and decide for yourself.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • ewtewt Posts: 127
    "Ody only need regular grade"

    Hey, just like the Sienna. Good news!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Odyssey is the BEST choice for a spacious, comfortable vehicle with decent fuel economy.
         Recently rode in a friend's Lincoln LS with V8 engine. Lots of luxury items such as separately controlled temp for driver and front passenger, heated AND COOLED driver and front passenger seat, NAV, etc.
         However at MSRP $48,000 + the Lincoln LS costs too much when a nice Ody EX-L-NAV costs just over $30,000. I can do without heated and cooled driver and front passenger seat of the Lincoln LS for all that extra money even if the Lincoln does have more chrome on the front than the more practical Ody EX-L-NAV. (I would actually get just the Ody EX and forget leather and NAV).
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,439
    But, you can get a slightly used LS for the 30K price of the Ody. You can probably get a brand new one for the cost of an Ody Touring.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • I currently own a 4x4 Tahoe and have recently been looking the the Toyota Sienna now that it has AWD, split 3rd row seats and more cargo space. I wasn't even considering the Honda because it does not come with AWD. However, some salesman told me that the traction control in FWD vans is just as good as the AWD. Is that true? I used to own a 4Runner when my husband and I did a lot of backcountry skiing and hiking, and found ourselves on steep dirt, gravel and snowy roads miles from any main road. But with three kids we don't do that kind of driving anymore. Mostly I engage the 4x4 for going over snowy mountain passes, up and down snowy/slushy roads and the occasional gravely, muddy, steep backroad. If the Honda was just as good as the AWD Toyota in these conditions, I may take a look at it. Any recommedations?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,438
    Check out the AWD vs FWD with VSC + Traction Control board too (not to mention Snow/Ice winter tires).

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,439
    to stay with a Minivan (after some dalliance with Cross over SUVs), becasue of the car-like driving experience, extra room, more comfort, better MPG, and it was cheaper. I figured we would end up there, but I made sure she looked at the options (to avoid me getting grief down the road for her not getting what she really wanted).

    Came down to the usual suspects, and wifee decided that she preferred the Ody, for a number of reasons. Nothing major, and she would probably be perfectly happy with the Sienna if she ended up with one, but overall she was just more comfortable with the Honda. I liked driving it better, and the seats were more comfortable to me, so I'm happy with her choice.

    Only my 8 YO daughter seems to be unhappy. She wants the Sienna (even though she can't remember how to pronounce it, and has had some interesting variations on the name). She liked the power door buttons in the second row (can't blame her), and the 2nd row climate control set-up better. But, since whe doesn't have to drive it, and sure isn't paying for it, she's Overruled!

    Now just have to see some of the colors in person (slate green and ocean mist), since of course the options that aren't around are ones she's interested in. So, if she can pick some color options, I get the joy of trying to find one and get some kind of deal. Hopefully she diddles areound for a while until the market factors tilt in our favor, but she would really like it before Christmas.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    It's obvious by the hyperlink that the Host is trying to nip any discussion of this here in the bud, but:

    It's also obvious that a salesman told you this because it's NOT true. Traction control is a great thing when mated with FWD, but it's even better when it mated to AWD. Traction control and AWD are not mutually exclusive. Certainly, there are trade-offs, as Honda lovers here will anxiously point out, because the Odyssey doesn't offer AWD: AWD has a (slight) fuel economy penalty and potentially higher maintenance and insurance costs (though no higher than those on the big honkin' SUV you're driving now).
  • Note the '05 Odyssey does come with a manual lumbar support adjustment. I'm told this is new for Honda? As the other member noted, it's worth driving both to see which is more comfortable for you.
  • You should also add runflats as an additional drawback for Sienna AWD. If you get AWD you will have runflats and no spare. Unlike Honda PAX you can replace tires with regular tires, but there is no dedicated space for the spare. And from what I can see you really do not want to keep runflats, they are just too hard to find.
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    Just a mouse-click away at the Tire Rack. Of course, they're not cheap--but neither is this van.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,438
    It's obvious by the hyperlink that the Host is trying to nip any discussion of this here in the bud, but:

    Nah, it's just that sometimes I repeat myself:

    steve_ Oct 2, 2004 10:34am

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  • hawaii1hawaii1 Posts: 25
    Drove the 'O5 Sienna, bottom seat does not come out far enough under the legs. NO SUPPORT!! Nice, smooth ride but no way spending that kind of money when it's that bad. I drove 'O5 EX-L Odyessy better than the Sienna and 2002 Odyessy but still not great. We are going to still look around and other cars but might have to just deal with an achy back at times. Have looked at many smaller SUV's that have 3rd back seat, very little leg room even for kids in some of them.
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    If seats are the tail that wags your dog, then I suggest you look at a Volvo (XC 70 wagon or XC 90 SUV). The seats in Volvo products are among the most comfortable in the world, IMO.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Don't buy a Volvo. Two acquaintances bought new Volvo's and each was in the Volvo dealership for repairs more often than any other 2 vehicles I have ever seen.
         Although my 1970 Dodge Van was THE worst vehicle I have ever owned, those 2 Volvo were much worse than my Dodge.
         All my Toyota vehicles have been very reliable. I have never owned a Honda but the Odyssey has more comfortable seats and is much more attractive inside and out than the Sienna (in my opinion).
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    I've owned two Volvo's (a '98 and a '00), and they've both been quite reliable. Certainly they are not cheap to repair, and I would definitely recommend purchasing the extended warranty. My dealer gives loaners, so dealer visits haven't been inconvenient. And hawaii1's priority seems to be seats, and--whatever the reliability/repair ratings--I believe Volvos have the best seats. Far better than Toyota or Honda.
  • It is really odd that the driver's seat "length" came up. We owned a '99 Ody that we traded in on an '02 Ody. I just traded it for an '05 Ody yesterday (taking delivery in about 4 weeks).

    I really looked at the Sienna doing all my research on the various packages. I had it down to an XLE with package 3 (all of the safety type items, that I still can't believe did not come "standard" on a vehicle line of this quality and price) and an Ody EX. I felt like it was going to a bit difficult to get a Sienna without ordering it special. The Toyota dealers were definitely in a dealing mood. Right off the bat, 3% over invoice and intimating that it could go lower. I still was checking and finally was able to sit in an XLE without any packages. I don't like testing a car that has more options or different seats ie., leather than what I am buying. I had counted on the Sienna having a larger area in the passenger seating area...it did. BUT the seat was much shorter than the Ody...at least to me. I walked next door the Honda dealership and sat in an '05 Ody Ex and made a deal on the spot. My '02 Ody Ex and $11,210 difference. I need to see an Ocean Mist Blue one this week and will then pick out the color. One other thing, with the way that Honda angled the dash area away from the front passenger there appears to actually be more usuable legroom.
  • After a couple months of research, looking at 2004's, waiting for 2005's (Odyssey), and general flip-flopping we decided to go w/ the Sienna.

    Each had features I liked, but it ultimately came down to 2 problems I had w/ the Odyssey:

     (1)I just can't deal w/ the door track and extra seams on the Odyssey's rear quarter panels. These really bother me and give the profile an unfinished look IMO. I was sure the 2005 would not have these as everyone has moved the track up to the windows, but I was wrong.

     (2)We wanted leather which on the Odyssey would require we get the i-VTEC w/ the Variable Cylinder Management system. This may be great technology that every V6 uses in the future, but I'm nervous about buying this system in its first year. (Just can't get the GM V8-6-4 debacle out of my head). The improved gas mileage was very appealing, however.

    We bought a 2005 Sienna XLE w/ Package 6 (everything except NAV and DVD) plus $1100 in port installed options (floor mats, pin stripe, mud guards, etc) for $2900 below MSRP ($32,920).

    KRC in W. Texas
  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    There is no substitute for AWD. I recommend it for your situation.
  • hawaii1hawaii1 Posts: 25
    I do like the Volvo XC90, very comfortable seats just have to decide if it will be a big enough vehicle to transport 3 kids around. Also going to look at 2005 Chrysler Town and Country, three years ago seats were horrible don't know if that has changed. Anyone like this van? Never thought buying a vehicle would be such pain, (no pun intended) obviously trying really hard probably too hard to get a van because realistically with running kids around it would be so much easier so we'll see what happens. More nervous this time because we don't want to make a mistake buying another car like we did this SUV.
  • The 2005 Odyssey is "THE Acura" of all vans. What I mean is simply this...if Acura, Mercedes, or any other extremely high-profile auto maker would build a mini-van, they'd have to use the 2005 Odyssey as their benchmark. WOW!!! I mean what an amazing vehicle!!! It's absolutely gorgeous as vans go, and the ride, handling, and class put this van so far ahead of whatever competition there is, everyone should experience this van ASAP wherever they can. I can't believe Honda improved something that was already far and away the best van on the road...Oh that's right, that's Honda for you...they keep making the best...BETTER>
  • Besides being the best van on the road, the Honda Odyssey holds its value better than any other van. That means owning a Honda Odyssey will give you the best value for your dollar and cost you less than any of the other vans. It's foolish to buy any van other than a Honda Odyssey van.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I hope you are really a badgerfan and not just disguising yourself as me!

    I have to disagree however, with your statement. DC makes very good vans with starting prices way under Odyssey, for those on limited budgets, and they are very good vans. And you can load them up luxuriously if you wish, as well.

    If you keep your van a long time, none of them hold their value, though the money you save up front holds its value.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I don't think it's quite that simple. Honda still doesn't offer AWD nor can you make the 2nd row seats disappear.

    When the 3rd row could disappear, Honda fans said that was the cat's pajamas, the only thing that mattered.

    Now Dodge has an innovation and it's discredited completely.

    So if you live in the snow belt and find yourself removing the 2nd row seats often, fact is there are better choices for you, plain and simple.

    -juice
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