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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Due to the lagging minivan market, don't expect huge changes this fall, at least in the Odyssey (which is a model-year newer than the Sienna design).
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    So glancing at the 2009 buying guide I was glancing at the minivans and not to change this topic towards any make other then "should not be discussed" it is nice to see that CR is still rating vans on data from Sept. 2006 Great job their guys...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you want more current data check out truedelta.com, they have some great ideas.

    When you register is asks for a part of your VIN, and you update the database quarterly, on an on-going basis. That means no hit-and-run trolls doing any ballot-stuffing, because they verify members and stay in touch with them.

    That also allows them to rate even some 2009 models, which is impressively fast.

    The Sienna ranks best among vans on that site, also. Newer Odys not far behind.
  • I decided to buy a sienna. I owned an odyssey 2000 EX and this car is only use for traveling 95% highway. I take care this car like a baby. Below are problem that I have to deal with:
    1. 60K SRS light
    2. 79K catelyltic converter (I was lucky under warrantee by honda)
    3. 100K replace timing belt waterpump belt tensioner routine maintenance ($500 labor and original parts)
    4. 101K transmission gasket leak. Have to drive until trans break down ($1500-$2000) quote
    5. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList

    Honda Pro:
    Look better. Good advertise from dealer. good engine.

    Sienna Pro:
    Sienna is timing chain. If slide door motor go bad you can always disengage automatic door and goes for manual. Much less road noise than Odyssey.
    Sienna Con:
    17" wheel is expensive 150 a pop. Don't look as good as honda.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Beware of routine maintenance?

    I don't understand why that's included.

    Also, a lot has changed since model year 2000.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but they aren't correct. The transmission in your old Odyssey was a 4-speed. Now, the transmission from the Ridgeline truck is in there, and has been a 5-speed since 2002.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That means the transmission has been changed twice.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Good job, juice! ;) :P

    Just messing with ya. But yes, the tranny has been changed/upgraded more than once over the last 10 years.
  • john2009john2009 Posts: 5
    Can someone provide me an explanation for the "poor" IIHS rear crash test rating for the Sienna (compared to a "good" rating for the Odyssey), shown in the current issue of Consumers Reports? Also, the "overall safety" rating and the "crash protection w/wo side air bags" for the Sienna are worse than for the Odyssey. Isn't this a clear and important advantage for the Odyssey, for us "family" car buyers? If this has been dealt with in earlier posts, I'm sorry to repeat an old topic (I scanned hundreds of posts and didn't find anything.) Thanks. - John
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It would appear that the Sienna doesn't use the advanced headrest design that is designed for whiplash protection, unlike the Honda's seats (which were revised in 2008 to include this).
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    Truedelta looks pretty good. It is a shame the sample sizes are rather small.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure if it's actually a crash test, though. Isn't it really just an evaluation of the head rest design? Do they actually wreck cars?

    Funny thing is Subarus do really well but consumers complain that the new headrests get in the way more often.
  • mkareshmkaresh Posts: 1
    Re: TrueDelta--we're working on the sample sizes : )

    One correction to a previous post: we don't ask for VINs, because few people are going to go through the trouble to provide them. And we've observed no need to do so.

    Results here:

    Car Reliability Survey results
  • All,
    After 8 years driving Sienna vans ( 2001 and 2004 LE model) I finally decided to have a change and go for a Honda Odyssey EX. Here are my comparisons.

    FIRST: What I like About my 2004 Sienna 8 seater LE that is missing from my new 2009 Odyssey EX.

    (1) The folding middle row seats that can tumble and secure in the up position in the Sienna.

    On the Ody, I need to fully remove the middle row seats and store them in the garage to gain maximum utilization for loading large items like furniture. Just like the earlier generation Sienna.

    The tumble forward action also makes it easier to load adult passengers in the third row in the Sienna. The Ody only slides forward and does not tumble forward for greater access to load goods from the side door.

    (2) I miss the power sliding door button on the middle door column that is on the Sienna. I have to train myself to use the handle to open the door which I find less access able closing the door after loading the kids...

    (3) I miss the temperature/compass/MPG readout by the rear view mirror on the Sienna.

    (4) When installing 3 child seats in the middle row the Sienna seat configuration is more usable than the Ody.

    On the Ody you cannot place a full size Child car seat (or even a booster seat) in the second row middle seat and expect to be able to adjust the forward and back position on the adjacent Window seats easily.

    We decided to forgo the 2 row middle seat on the Ody and store it in the garage.

    (5) I think the floor mats on the ODY is cumbersome with all the pieces and clips you have to contend with when time to clean. The Toyota is straight forward old school -- take it out and wash...

    To access the floor storage on the Ody is not easy because the floor mat is in the way...

    (6) PET PEEVE: Categorized this under illogical...
    I heard that this was standard Honda practise from long ago but why does Honda sell vans with roof rails but not include at least the cross bars to make them functional? They just add to wind resistance for owners who will not add the cross bars or other attachments to make them functional. You have to dish out an extra $200 for the bars ( $100 /a piece) to make the rails functional.

    Toyota doesn't fool around and adds full functionality of the roof rack when you buy an LE version....In my opinion well done Toyota.

    (7) Minor --
    I miss the ceiling radio console on the Sienna ( non DVD version). This allows me to add a aftermarket DVD system without having to cut the roof liner and route a DC power line. So after 3 years when I trade in the van I can remove the DVD player and put the car back the way it was.

    *******
    SECOND: Now what I ***LIKE*** about my new Honda Odyssey EX.

    (1) The overall drive and ride experience.
    When first drove a 2004 Sienna I thought the ride was superior to any van I have driven before and I thought this would be hard to beat.

    Now when I drive my new Ody EX I can tell that it surpasses my 2004 LE driving experience. The suspension is just tuned right for comfort and the load of my family of 2 adults and 4 kids. I have not tried a full load yet to make a valued comment...

    Engine even at 5 miles the Ody was very responsive and gear shifting is clean and smooth with no jerking movement. The 2004 Sienna I purchased had tranny issues since it was the first year of that new Sienna model and there was a noticeable accelleration lag and jerky shifting after a slowing down to come to a stop .

    (2) Turning radius on the Ody is incredible compared to my 2004 Sienna. I would turn the wheel on the Ody expecting it to stop after a number of revolutions but it kept on going and I made very tight truns with ease. I found this such a plus...

    (3) The stock sound system is superior on the Ody.

    (4) The ability to adjust the air conditioning temp for the driver and front/rear passenger separately is a plus... Just needs getting used to...

    (5) Not sure of the dimension difference but the Ody feels roomier inside. Even my 8 year old mentions that she can stand up straight in the Ody.

    My Conclusion?
    Honda should *pirate* the seating logic/design from Toyota Sienna . If they do so in my opinion Honda would be the hands down winner...
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,195
    Nice post family man. The roof rails serve as a support for after market racks and carriers that clamp on and off for easy removal. This way nothing contacts the roof.
  • We're in the middle of the Odyssey (EX-L) vs Sienna (low end XLE) buying dilemma and have recently test-driven both. One thing that surprised both my (5-ft) wife and (6-ft) me was the difference in the telescoping steering wheel. The Odyssey wheel just wouldn't come out far enough for me to find a comfortable driving position. The Sienna seemed to have a much larger range of adjustment, and I was able to get the wheel so I could drive with my hands in the 10 and 2 o'clock position. Had to grab the Odyssey wheel more toward the bottom even when fully extended. Has anyone else had this experience? Maybe I should try another one....
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Familyman,
    (4) There is a way to store the middle seat in the lazy susan compartment if you want to keep it in the van (or so I've heard). Check with your dealer to see how to do it.

    (6) As jayrider notes, a lot of people (myself included) have long-term crossbars from Thule or Yakima (I've had mine since 1989). The crossbars on the van then are unnecesary, so I'd prefer not having them at all. But, I know where you're coming from.

    On your Conclusion:
    The second row is an interesting design choice. For those families needing 3 across, the Sienna is the superior choice. However, imo, for those who would use the second row for 2, I prefer the business class feel of the Odyssey captain chairs.

    Btw, I have a Pilot, but looked at both of these extensively. As my kids get bigger, I may be moving up to one or the other.
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Seat angle and seat height are also important in getting proper steering wheel position. In these vehicles, I tend to raise the seat a bit, and have the seatback fairly straight up. By the way, I'm also 6'0", but 34" inseam.

    Personally, given the wide range of your heights, I would recommend looking at vans with memory seat positions (Touring on the Ody, not sure on the Sienna).
  • olavanmanolavanman Posts: 12
    Hi Familyman!
    Amazing post! Great job on the breakdown!
    We are in the market right now comparing 09 Sienna LE 8 with VP3 and the 09 Odyssey EX-L with DVD. What would you recommend?
    Our main highlight with Sienna is the 2nd row center seat and its convenience.
    Have you used the Odyssey 2nd row center seat much? Is it useful?
    Can an adult sit there pretty comfortable?
    thanks!
  • olavanmanolavanman Posts: 12
    Hello,
    Anyone out there in Denver shopping for a Sienna or Odyssey?
    Sienna Model: LE 8 Seater with Value Package 3.
    Odyssey Model: EX-L or EX-L with RES or EX-L with RES and NAVI.

    Can you please post the prices you have obtained from the dealers?
    Anyone purchased any one of the above recently also please post the dealership and best price.
    Cheers!
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