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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Reason I asked was that when we spent a week in Tucson with friends I had to ride in the back of their Ody, over the rear wheels, and I felt that way.

    Generally it helps to look outside and view the horizon, to get your bearings.
  • tylerwkutylerwku Posts: 13
    I wanted to let everyone that I tested both yesterday (Sienna LE and Odyssey EX) and the new Sienna is an easy winner. The Sienna drove so much better than the Odyssey. There was much less road noise, it was a much smoother ride, less engine noise, and better acceleration and more responsive breaks. They both have equal marks with their suspension and turning radius now, which the Odyssey use to be the clear winner in that area. I also liked the looks of the the Sienna much more than the outdated Odyssey. The interior of the Sienna was much more comfortable and attractive as well. (except for the plastic looking dash of the Sienna!) I did like the second row configuration of the Odyssey better as you can move the captain chairs together to the center of the van and the center seat could be used as a arm rest with cup holders. The 8th seat in the Sienna is pretty much useless if you ask me. The Sienna also has more cargo space, but slightly less third row seating space. For now the Sienna is the King or Queen of the mini van market, but Honda could take it back over this fall with the introduction of the 2011 Odyssey. Stay tuned!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You buyin'? :shades:
  • tylerwkutylerwku Posts: 13
    I am trying to decide wether to go ahead and buy now while their sales are down or wait for better cash back/financing later in the year. What do you think?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you qualify for the 0% financing I'd say go for it. That is a big incentive, even if the model weren't brand new.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    Just don't expect to walk thru from the front to the back, and watch that you don't trip on the goofy plastic cupholders that are permanently attached to the floor between the 2nd row seats.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Do the 2nd row seats still fold+tumble forward?

    The Ody's don't, IIRC. Maybe they took that away since there is the gap between the seats.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    In new Sienna, no. They slide on tracks so they have more fore/aft travel than Honda. In the foremost position they sort of fold upwards a little to snug closer to the driver/pax seats. For me, this is a useless feature as I will have 2 carseats in those seats, so folding them isnt possible.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess they rely on the pass-through.
  • I really did like the 2011 Sienna over the 2010 Odyssey in driving. But they are still penetrating lots, and the configuration I want (XLE with RSE but NOT entire Premium Package) is rare. Could get a 2010 Ody for about $2400 under INVOICE right now but really feel that the 2011 Ody will make me regret a purchase.

    Oh well, I guess I shouldn't accelerate into a decision.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wait it out if you can.

    Who knows? You may love the '11 Ody. Early mileage reports are promising.

    You may not like it, though. Some 2011 Sienna shoppers are getting 2010s for one reason or another, mostly the death of the big 8th seat, some because pricing is higher.

    The 2011 Honda may arrive with higher prices, too, and we haven't even seen the real interior. Plus who knows how they will package it.
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 221
    Even though I was planning to keep my 2002 Odyssey for 600,000 miles, if possible I was admiring the Siennna because it had no transmission problems. NOW, the Sieena has caused deaths with the accelerator (probably drive my wire) problems. It's back to the Odyssey. A fellow on ODYCLUB.com has just bought a 2006 Odyssey even though his 2002 had transmission problems because he liked many other things about it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I haven't seen any deaths from sudden acceleration in Siennas. Source?
  • I figure there will definitely be a window in which I'll know more about the 2011 but still be able to get a 2010 on the cheap. In fact dealer incentives will probably only increase as it gets closer and closer to the release date on the new ones. So, I think your advice to wait is very sound.

    The good news is that while my 2004 Mitsu Endeavor has 90,000+ miles on it, I have never had any serious problems at all and actually like driving it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, just be flexible on the color, perhaps. Selection may be an issue if you wait too long.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not much to that story, at least not yet.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited March 2010
    FWIW, search the NHTSA ODI and you'll find the same complaints for the Ody.

    Here's one, ODI ID Number 10303067:

    TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 HONDA ODYSSEY. WHILE STOPPED AT A RED LIGHT SHE ATTEMPTED TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY TO ALLOW A POLICE VEHICLE TO PASS, THE ENGINE BEGAN TO IDLE ROUGHLY AND THE VEHICLE PROCEEDED TO ACCELERATE. SHE THEN ATTEMPTED TO DEPRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL VERY HARD BEFORE STOPPING THE VEHICLE. ON A SEPARATE OCCASION, WHILE EXITING THE HIGHWAY, SHE BEGAN DEPRESSING THE BRAKE TO MERGE OUT OF TRAFFIC AT SPEEDS OF LESS THAN 15 MPH, THE VEHICLE BEGAN TO ACCELERATE AT FULL SPEED. THE CONTACT CONTINUED TO APPLY EXTREME PRESSURE TO THE BRAKES AND THE VEHICLE PROCEEDED OVER THE MEDIAN ONTO THE GRASS. SHE WAS ABLE TO STOP THE VEHICLE AND AVOID A COLLISION. THE DEALER REPROGRAMMED THE TRANSMISSION SENSOR AND ADVISED THE FAILURE SHOULD NOT OCCUR AGAIN. THERE WERE NO FURTHER INCIDENTS THEREAFTER. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGES WERE UNDER 30,000.

    Sorry for the CAPS, that's copied from their site.

    That's 2 seperate occasions on the same van. This was for a 2007 model year (my Sienna is also an 07).

    From ODI ID Number : 10237557:

    ON 12/26/07, I HAD A VERY BAD ACCIDENT HITTING 2 CARS AND ALL OF THE AIR BAGS IN OUR NEW 07 HONDA ODYSSEY DEPLOYED. MY WIFE WAS IN THE CAR, I WAS DRIVING AND WE WERE EXITING THE HIGHWAY WITH THE CRUISE CONTROL ON AND TURNED ONTO THE OFF RAMP WHEN THE BRAKES COMPLETELY FAILED; I STEPPED ON THE BRAKES REPEATEDLY AND THEY WERE SO SOFT THEY WENT COMPLETELY TO THE FLOOR BOARD AND THE CAR WOULD NOT STOP AND THE CRUISE CONTROL WOULD NOT TURN OFF. THE RAMP WAS ABOUT 100 YARDS LONG, SO WE WOULD HAVE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO STOP IF THE BRAKES WORKED. THE RAMP WAS UPHILL AND BECAUSE THE CRUISE CONTROL DID NOT GO OFF, THE CAR STARTED TO ACCELERATE AND WE WERE GOING FASTER AND FASTER UP THE OFF RAMP. ...

    I stopped searching, it was too depressing. I bet there are more.

    So, does this mean Odyssey throttles are also all bad?

    Or, more likely, are not-so-common complaints like this likely operator error?

    Whatever you believe, keep in mind the 2011 Sienna now has the brake-throttle override, so it won't happen to new Sienna.

    Does the Ody have that as well? If not we may continue to see more of these from Honda, but not from 2011+ Siennas.

    By the way, I realize Honda sells more Odys, but overall NHTSA has 206 complaints for 2007 Odys and only 62 for 2007 Siennas. In the Ody the recurring theme seemed to be failing brakes, yikes.

    Go here and click Search Complaints:

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallsearch.cfm
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited March 2010
    Early on I said it: let's wait for the investigation before jumping to conclusions.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589090,00.html

    http://jalopnik.com/5491101/did-bankrupt-runaway-prius-driver-fake-unintended-ac- celeration

    Shame on anyone who believed this story, including a few people here.

    Read the 2nd article, especially the updates:

    * his Prius does have brakes that override the throttle
    * the guy is 3/4rs of a million dollars in debt
    * he still owes $19,000 to Toyota
    * Sikes has a history of items in his possession being stolen and him filing for insurance claims
    * Sikes owned and operated a web site called AdultSwingLife.com.
    * There's also a report from KTLX with a neighbor stating he may have been involved in the porn industry.

    This is HILARIOUS!

    If you believed this guy, shame on you! LOL
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