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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna



  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    "The 2011 Honda may arrive with higher prices, too, and we haven't even seen the real interior. Plus who knows how they will package it."

    Umm, I think "may" may be too soft a word. Chances that they reduce the price of the van on an apples to apples basis? Doubtful.

    Also don't forget that you can get 2500 BELOW INVOICE right now. Chances are pretty high that dealers will be trying to sell their awesome new 2011s at closer to sticker, but certainly OVER invoice. I'd say its pretty much assured you'll be paying MORE for a 2011 than a 2010 due to those 2 factors. Whether that premium is warranted depends on the features of the 2011 and is a personal decision for each buyer.
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 221
    I think the 2011 Odyssey will be the better choice. It will proabably have a choice of either a 4-cylinder or 6-cylinder and a six speed stardard.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If they didn't put the 2.4L in the Crosstour (which is notably lighter than the Odyssey), I wouldn't look for it in the next Van. Frankly, 160 lb-ft isn't enough for a 4,500lb van.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We can't know for sure.

    When Subaru launched the 2009 Forester, prices dropped $800-1200 or so.

    Sales went way up. They basically built-in discounts and incentives that they had in prior years.

    It boosted sales, and even boosted residuals, win-win.

    The minivan segment is having a hard time so who knows what Honda will do.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    Well, Toyota just boosted prices by about $2000 on the new Siennas......and that is a minivan too, and its not as if Toyota has no marketing hurdles right now......don't be fooled by the press release that says the new Sienna comes at a "cheaper price" than the 2010s - yes, if you compare a new 4 cylinder with a 6 cyl on the me that's not an apples to apples comparison :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True, a sneaky way to lower the base price in those ads and such. At the same time, though, they did add content. My LE has a backup camera standard now, for instance. That and the 6 speed automatic. But it's a couple grand more than I paid.

    They added 0% as of March 1, not sure if that includes the Sienna or not.

    They definitely built-in some price padding for discounts later, though.

    Honda stands to gain market share if they can keep a lid on pricing.
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    2007-08 Odys and Elements are now under recall to address "softness" in the brake pedal feel. For more, see:
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    Yes they simplified all the options packages and made more stuff "standard" but at a higher price. Not saying they are being jerks or underhanded or anything, but its just a fact that the price DID go up!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    After looking at the NHTSA complaints page (while searching for cases of UA), I'm not surprised at all. Most of the complaints were brake-related.

    It's good, though, it means those problems are being addressed. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True, but what you could do is step down one model.

    In other words, if you wanted an XLE before, you may get along just find with an LE now. Actually the LE gets a backup cam that required Navi on the old XLE, so you could even end up with a better package.

    3 zone climate control goes even on the base model now, before I think the XLE had dual? Anyone know?

    Depends on what you want, I suppose.
  • hogan773hogan773 Posts: 255
    Yeah but you're talking about little stuff. The major things like power doors, sunroof, etc are still generally grouped the same - now similar to the Odysseys. It was easy in the 2010 Sienna to just add the power doors thru an option package that wasn't prohibitively expensive.

    One reason I like Honda vs Sienna - Honda doesn't put all that FUGLY wood trim all over their upper models. I've got many other reasons after driving the 2011 Sienna and 2010 Odyssey. Odyssey ain't perfect but for me it checked more YES boxes and hardly any NO boxes, while the Sienna had quite a few NO boxes....
  • m3_petem3_pete Posts: 1
    I test drove an 07 Ody last month and noticed that the brake pedal traveled about 4 inches before the brakes began to catch. I even said something to the salesman about having to depress the brakes farther than in any car I've driven in recent memory.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not a fan of plood either, but the alternative is fake metal, pluminum?

    Doesn't bother me like it bothers you.
  • doggrandmadoggrandma Posts: 144
    Honda is recalling only 2007 and 08 models, correct? What about 2009 and 2010 models? Was something changed for the newer models, or have they just not been on the road long enough to develop the braking problem?

    In other words, how do people who buy a new one know that this won't happen to them in a year or two? :confuse:
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,735
    Perhaps they are using a modified stability control system that doesn't have the same issue??
  • doggrandmadoggrandma Posts: 144
    Out of curiosity, I checked for any recalls on 2009 or 2010 Odysseys and found there is a recall on a small number of 2009 models for brake problems. It states that a hose was installed incorrectly and should be replaced.

    All this stuff makes you want to buy a bicycle instead! ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Automobiles are so complex, there are so many things that can go wrong. It's amazing, really, how reliable they are in general.

    Keep in mind these problems are typically observed on a tiny percentage of cars and then they are addressed.

    Imagine if you owned the one and only, say, Bugatti Veyron. You would have to find any flaws yourself.

    Then again, being in a Bugatti wouldn't be so bad. :D
  • doggrandmadoggrandma Posts: 144
    Oh, I agree completely! I wonder about the mechanics who have to work on these complicated machines. People seem to think they should be able to wave a magic wand and make it all work perfectly.

    Now, about the Bugatti.... I think I will stick with something tamer. I'm much more of a minivan grandma than I am a sports car person. You should read some of P.J. O'Rourke's old pieces he wrote about cars. Funny stuff.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    How about a Renault F1 minivan, then? Remember that concept?

  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,950
    edited March 2010
    Cool, but the front half of the canoe rack fell off. :P

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