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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • I BOUGHT A TOYOTA SIENNA 2005 LE MODEL 10 DAYS AGO THE DAY AFTER I BOUGHT IT IT WOULDN'T START THEY CAME OUT AND JUST AS THEY PULLED UP TO WHERE I WAS IT STARTED. THEY SAID DON'T WORRY IT WAS NOTHING I PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE IT IN PARK ALL THE WAY. 4 DAYS LATER IT DIED AGAIN AND HAS NOT STARTED SINCE THEY REPLACED THE FUEL PUMP BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK MY VAN HAS BEEN IN THE SHOP FOR6 DAYS AND THEY STILL DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS WRONG THEY SAID THEY WILL REPLACE IT
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    Try the Toyota Sienna Owners: Problems & Solutions (2004+) discussion.

     

    And please turn off the caps lock - shouting is hard to read.

     

    Steve, Host
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,587
    Well, it certainly sounds like a fluke problem, and you should feellucky that they will switch you to another new van.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • Maybe you should have bought the better of the 2 vans instead...........
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Maybe you should have bought the better of the 2 vans instead..........."

     

    The IS no purely objective better unless EVERYONE agrees on exactly what criteria will be used to judge. We all have different criteria, therefor, what may be 'better' for recio3 may not be 'better' for stickguy, or 'better' for rorr, or even 'better' for you, a Honda salesman.

     

    Are you stating, categorically, that Honda is incapable of producing a vehicle which would exibit the sort of problem which recio3 is having?
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    Odyssey is better, it does not "hesitate" like Sienna, Highlander, ES330, RX330, camry V6... and those toyota cars are definitely giving some safety conerns to the drivers as well as passengers!

     

    Here are two articles on hesitation problem!

     

    http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/04345/424551.stm

     

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04343/423383.stm
  • I just thought I would get things started, especially since Honda is again the best brand for retaining value for new cars and trucks. This was from Automotive Lease Guide and on CNN Money.

     

    Plus last year's Odyssey was #1 in NHTSA safety for vans; and Honda improved upon that this year with the new Industry Leading safety equipment.

     

    Let the bickering begin.
  • You write:

    "Plus last year's Odyssey was #1 in NHTSA safety for vans; and Honda improved upon that this year with the new Industry Leading safety equipment."

     

    What would be this *leading* safety equipment, if I may ask? Actually, Sienna is the best based on IIHS tests and IIRC, in NHSTA tests, Ody, Sienna, Freestar and Quest all got five stars all around.
  • You wrote*, "What would be this *leading* safety equipment, if I may ask? Actually, Sienna is the best based on IIHS tests and IIRC, in NHSTA tests, Ody, Sienna, Freestar and Quest all got five stars all around"

     

    THE ANSWER is simply, ACE Body Structure Honda/acura invented and added to the TL and the ODyssey 05'. I'm sure it will improve the driver and passengers saftey. If you need more info just visit the odyssey's site. By the way, how can you say Sienna did better than Honda in NHSTA tests 2005, when Honda Odyssey hasn't been tested yet. You trully are Sienna biase!!
  • Touring bought over Sienna because of one simple reason............... MORE RELIABLE. I've owned 3 odyssey's and have never had any problems. So far so good... My friend has owned 2 Sienna's and his brand new 2005, would not start. What's going ON? Sienna owner's on every Forum attack PAX PAX PAX, and don't realize that if PAX is as HORRIBLE as sienna owners say, "why would Rolls Royce use them? because their cheap? NO, because there stiff? NO, then why, SIMPLE, the tires have been tested enough and proved to be better than regular run flats. I own a MINI Cooper and a Chrysler 300 both 2005 with run flats(MINI) and (Chrysler)self sealing tires, and my odyssey has a much smoother ride, comparable to my friends lexus. I know honda screwed up with the first 12,000 new 05' ody's but this was a new model, in a new plant(ALABAMA), it could have been worse. Anyway my point is before you keep on making false accusations on cars you haven't owned or test driven, go to a dealer and test drive, AND MAKE SURE they are the NEW ones being made and not the first car that was produced!

    I didn't buy the Sienna because of my friends problem, with the car not starting. Also when I test drove the sienna the engine over heated..... Toyota should fix these vans before they let us test drive them.... P.S. I still wish honda had added HID lights to the Ody, but if they do it won't be anytime soon, because they would have to redesign the front end in order to "make way for hid technology"
  • Oh I know 2005 Ody hasn't been tested yet. jsmath brought up 2004 Ody, so that's the result I wrote about.

     

    Now, other than Honda, no one knows how the so called ACE structure performs. 2004 Sienna was IIHS's best pick overall above the 04 Ody. While I don't expect 05 Ody to perform poorly in crash tests, those of you who buy in to Honda's marketing that it is better than other vans, don't have any objective evidence to support the assertion.

     

    Honda also told us all that the Ody will be the quietest van. However, as you can see from these forums, the general opinion is that Sienna and T&C are still quieter. But, it all comes down to personal preference in the end, doesn't it? If one likes more driver feel, Ody is the van to buy. If one wants a more isolated ride, go for the Sienna. My personal preference is that minivans should be comfortable, quiet and smooth as a kids mover and that's why I went with the Sienna and Hondas are generally uncomfortable for me.

     

    I don't put too much faith in to Consumer Reports' rating, but, the previous generation Sienna was the most reliable in its category and there is absolutely no endemic problems with the 3.3L engine.
  • "I was just at a Toyota dealer in NY and the saleswoman said that Lexus was working on a minivan."

     

    I hope that salesman is correct!

    Thanks for the info.
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    So many reason why. Let's begin with:

     

    1. Phantom owners probably have more than one vehicle. If PAX replacement becomes necessary, no biggie for an owner with a half a dozen other cars.

      

    2. Most Phantom owners won't be driving their $300,000 car in the snow. Lack of winter treads for PAX is a non-issue, as they'll just drive the Range Rover instead.

     

    3. PAX replacement or service must be done by the dealer (or a Michelin dealer who's bought the necessary equipment). You can't even begin to compare the dealer service experience of Rolls-Royce to that of Honda. Phantom owners in need of service have their cars picked up at their homes, and hauled (covered, of course) to the dealer for work. No hassle for THEM!

     

    4. Phantom owners probably won't be complaining about replacement cost-- that is, if they ever put enough miles on the car to require new tires in the first place.
  • Yeah, I'm still waiting for C&D magazine to report the actual interior noise level comparison.

     

    Claiming the Ody is the quietest minivan is an extremely bold statement.

     

    I like an extremely quiet and smooth ride--like Lexus LS sedan. And right now, the Sienna is probably still the quietest (unless C&D magazine reports otherwise IMO) and the smoothest.

     

    But at the same time, I want the best Navigation system plus 6 CD changer.

    Right now, the Ody wins in this category.
  • Do you think the Toyota's Run-Flat system is better?
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,978
    Hey Andrew, welcome back. I was beginning to think you had shipped out to the South African chrome mines or something :-)

     

    Steve, Host
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    I have no complaints. I was able to obtain run-flat winter tires without trouble, and my local tire shop was able to install them. If availability becomes a problem for summer or winter RFT's, my standard 17" rims allow me to use conventional non-run-flats. Can't do any of this with PAX.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I want to remind everyone that Rolls Royce used to spec Avon tires on all their models, so their use of the PAX system shouldn't automatically be considered a good thing.....
  • If Sienna was better in NHTSA, why are the actual figures/numbers higher on the Sienna than the Odyssey. The 2004 Odyssey was #1 in the Minivan class for safety, NHTSA gave that award to the Odyssey, CRV, Pilot, Accord, and Civic. All 5 were #1 in their respective classes. Toyota had 3 vehicles at the top of their classes, Mercury had 2, Ford had 2, and 10 other manufacturers had 1. All on the website. So to improve on a #1 rating for 05 would make it better that #1. Look at the numbers, lower numbers, better results. The Sienna numbers were higher than the Odyssey, higher numbers means more forces exerted on the person's body. So quote as you may about 5 stars, Honda Odyssey was #1 in the Minivan class for safety according to NHTSA.
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