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Toyota Yaris

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  • jragnajragna Posts: 2
    We can only hope that people do so.
    I traded in my 4Runner and am pleasantly surprised. Thank you for your message it makes the most sense for the general public. The other two comments were very helpful as well.
    I do love my new car :)
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    What is it with Consumer Reports and their bad mouthing of the Yaris? Does anyone here (even Backy) believe, in the Subcompact Class, that a Honda Fit Sport MT rates a 75 on a 100 point scale and the Toyota Yaris hatchback MT rates a 36, tied for last with a Chevrolet Aveo LT? It is noted that the Edmunds consumer ratings on a 10 point scale has the Yaris at 9.4 and the Aveo at 8.9 which might be slightly biased on the high side because no one wants to admit that they have made a poor choice for their car.
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    Consumer Reports is such a joke. The Yaris Hatchback is 2 seconds quicker to 60 than the Fit. The Yaris gets better gas mileage, is more comfortable, and stops better. The Fit goes around corners better because the springs are stiffer. I bet they took 50 points off for the center speedo. I saw a Fit going down the road again and am glad I didn't get one. It looks like a tiny Honda minivan.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Who really cares? The important thing is that YOU like your car and it's the right car for you. Every reviewer will apply their own criteria. For the criteria CR used to rate the Yaris, I don't have a problem with how they scored it. CR never rated any of my current cars very high, but I like them. If you want to know why CR rated the Yaris so low, just read the review--they are pretty clear on what they think its shortcomings are.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    I guess you are right. Crash ratings are number 1 with you. Low Price, high MPG, and dependibility are number 1 with me. Therefore, Yaris is a better fit for me.
  • jgasjgas Posts: 2
    Your car should have come with the regular thicker Owner's Manual. I lost my copy the day after I bought the car last week. It can be replaced by calling a Toyota dealer parts dept. The problem is that it sounds like they may be on back order. The Prius and Yaris books are both on back order according to the person I talked to. He sounded so negative about it he didn't even take my order. Other dealers I talked to may not have been ordering them recently because they both were happy to place the order if I wanted one. It costs about $20 and comes from the east coast somewhere. Maybe the original parts guy just didn't want to be bothered. I don't know yet. I'm going to look around one more time before I order one.

    On toyotaowners.com you can download part of it. You have to register first. It is painless and free.
  • jgasjgas Posts: 2
    I just got the answer on how to get an owner's manual for your 2008 Yaris. The main Toyota publications number is: 1-800-622-2033. The book is $15.95 plus tax and shipping. I'm still going to look around my house one more time before I order it.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Actually all those attributes you mentioned are important to me. But there are others as well. Also, I wonder if CR's test scores on the Yaris would have been different had they tested a loaded Yaris hatch with ABS and other options. I think they tested a pretty basic car. They don't take price into account in their rankings, except to group cars into general classes.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    If my memory serves me right, CR tested a plain 3-door Liftback without ABS and also an ABS-equipped sedan. The price-wise, the tested Liftback was in the $12,000 range, and the sedan was in the mid-15K.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    According to the article, they would have most liked a Yaris Sedan with Auto, ABS, Airbags, and Power Package. They thought the hatch was more spartan with far less utility than a Fit, and they didn't like the manual transmission in the sedan. Although the manual is not as slick as the Fit's, it is far better than the automatic. Nothing wrong specifically with the Yaris auto, but no small car with a small engine is ever very compatible with an auto for my liking. Even CR admitted the manual sedan went like 2 seconds quicker to 60. An auto on a subcompact is like throwing a saddle on a chihuahua. They thought the manual was stiff, but I haven't experienced any problem in 25,000 miles.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Well, I turned in my Yaris sedan rental car on Monday afternoon. I have to say that it was very enjoyable for the most part. It's very solidly built, doors close with a satisfying thud, the turn signal stick was sturdy and solid-feeling. The plastic steering wheel is little disconcerting, but it is, at least, a quality plastic that doesn't have that cheap Chevrolet feeling to it. This goes for the cloth seats, as well; they have a nice, sturdy weave to them and aren't bedsheet-thin, again like a Chevrolet. (My '98 Corolla has spoiled me, I suppose - too used to foam-padded wheel and velour cloth seats!) For it to be the smallest Toyota, it really is about the same size as my '98 Corolla in length, and even bigger than mine in interior room. The one I rented was a beautiful medium blue color. And, it's actually very handsome and well-proportioned, not at all like the hideous 3-door model which looks as if it weren't finished yet. I like that it has height adjusters for the seat - perfect for me who, although I'm tall, I don't like to sit too low. Unfortunately, I never reset the trip meter, thinking they'd need that to record how many miles I put on the car while I had it, so I never got to actually see what kind of gas mileage. But I drove all over town and topped it up whenever it dropped a bar. I think the mileage is perfectly acceptable, although probably not as high as some may claim.

    There were some things I didn't like about it, such as the stupidly-placed cupholders that block the A/C vents, the speedometer that makes 35, 45, 55, and 65 mph too hard to gauge, the digital fuel gauge that's too "all-or-nothing" with each bar to be exact, and the worst offense of all, no daytime running lights. Acceleration was weird sometimes.

    In concept, I love the car's basic simplicity; but if I were to buy one, I would insist on power windows and locks, and I would see if some kind of aftermarket DRL system could be installed. Daytimers have saved me more times than I can count, and besides that, I thought they were mandatory for all American cars built after 1997! For that matter, I'd want an aftermarket cupholder fix, too. I would want interior color something other than black, which shows all kinds of dirt and is miserable to sit on - and grip - in 108 degree heat. I'd also like analog gauges so that I could see "where I'm at, exactly" with regards to speed and fuel.

    The car I rented is basic as can be, definitely "entry-level". It's good, comfortable basic transportation that can be dressed up a little, but not much. I'd say upgrade to Corolla if you need sunroofs and 60/40 seats, but realize you'd be buying a bigger car and bigger engine. I personally am on the fence about Corolla. I hate how it's bigger now - the size of a '98 Camry - and more expensive. $20K for a Corolla is ridiculous to me. So I'd say Yaris is plenty of car for the money, either for yourself or for your kids. If something happened to my old-timer (which shouldn't happen for a while, what with all the work I had done to it) and I had to downgrade to something more basic, I could do worse than Yaris, as long as it was the SEDAN.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    I have had two bottom of the line Yarii, one automatic, one manual, both had Daytime Running Lights. My guess is that the drink holders are located in front of the AC vents to keep your drinks cold for a longer period of time. It really doesn't affect the overall ability to keep the car cool.
  • yoshi2yoshi2 Posts: 2
    my "hideous 3-door model" has DRL. Do you mean automatic lights (that come on after dark)?
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Yes, please read carefully, thanks. Yaris hatchbacks do come with DRL, Yaris sedans, like the one I rented, do not. I personally don't like that.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Thank you for your perspective, but I wonder if you had the hatchback or the sedan. If your sedan had DRL, then you had a rare car, indeed.

    If the drink is a hot coffee, then locating it in front of the A/C is a stupid idea, in my opinion, and I, for one, don't like the design. And when I've stepped into the car from 100 degree heat sometimes it's comforting to feel the air from the vent on my face, and not have it blocked by my drink.

    I hope you're not trying to suggest I shouldn't feel the way I do about this, because that's just ego. My experience is my experience, and someone could learn from it and make their own mind up about it.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    You are right, both of my bottom of the line Yarii with DRL are hatchbacks. I have never driven or even rode in the sedan version. I didn't realize that they did not have DRL. I rarely drink anything while I am driving, so the placement of the cup holders is of very little importance to me. However, if you must drink and drive (hot drinks in 100 degree heat and cold drinks in the winter), then I guess you need to look at something other than a Yaris or perhaps you could direct the air away from the cup holder vents.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Exactly. If the purpose of these forums is education and not just a fan club mouthpiece, this is the reason I input my week-long experience with the car. It's done in the spirit of, if you want a Yaris sedan, be aware (or beware, depending on perspective) that this is what I've noticed about it, this is what turns me off about it, this is what I like about it. Using this information, people can then decide FOR THEMSELVES how they will deal with the very real problem with the cupholders, and will decide FOR THEMSELVES if they can live without DRL. People may decide they can live with the Yaris even with the shortcomings - I'm not going to judge them either way. I'm just providing perspective and information.

    And if I like hot drinks in the summer and iced tea in winter, it's my business, just like your NOT drinking anything while driving is solely yours. I appreciate the suggestions on how I might deal with the problems should I decide to own a Yaris sedan, but it's my decision to make, not yours.

    Thanks again.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    You know what my Yaris sedan has? It has a little knobby thingie. If I want the lights on, I turn them "ON", if I want the lights off, I leave them "OFF". :D :D Sorry, but DRL's seem to be a waste. If they truly made a difference, they would be mandatory. The fact that they are not speaks volumes. Night? Raining? turn the lights on. Middle of the afternoon on a bright sunny day? nope.

    Though my one gripe about the headlights in general is the fact that my '87 Celica had automatic-off headlights. If you left the lights on after the car was shut off, the minute the door opened, the lights went off - it's a very simple switch. Why, twenty+ years later, has this apparently been relegated to the lofty heights of high-dollar vehicles? Anyhoo...

    Otherwise, it is a great car. The speedo hump could benefit from being turned ever so slightly towards the driving side, like the old Echo's was.

    It also has more front legroom than the Corolla (as does my Echo). I think they purposely limited the rearward travel of the seats to artificially increase rear legroom on the Corolla. I don't haul four people with any sort of regularity at all, so I like my seat to be able to slide back as far as possible most of the time.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Excuse me, but were you looking for some kind of argument from me? If so, about what? That I need DRLs, and you don't? Please don't waste my time with this. I get an e-mail every time. You have a solution that satisfies you, go make yourself a cake!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,687
    Why, twenty+ years later, has this apparently been relegated to the lofty heights of high-dollar vehicles? Anyhoo...

    Actually a lot of inexpensive cars have this feature. Why more cars don't have it, I have no idea... as you said, it's a simple thing to do.
  • dakedake Posts: 131
    Heh heh, someone's sarcasm detector is on the fritz. The " :D " is a laughing car, it denotes a statement said with a smile - no need to get hot. On a side note, you can set the forum software to not send you an email every time a response is made should you so desire; you'll still be able to see what's new when you log in.

    Anyhoo, no, I don't really care about DRL's. I'm glad my car doesn't have them, but I wouldn't have not bought it if it did. I think you're pretty much spot on with your overall assessment. My only real gripe with Toyotas are the random little things they seem to not do that are standard on most other cars. I think Toyota knows they can get away with it, b/c they're great cars otherwise. My particular peccadillo is variable speed intermittent wipers - but I've beat that dead horse enough.

    The good news is, before I swapped out wiper controls, I also had a switch I could move whenever I needed to. :)
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    Speaking of wasting people's time, there are plenty of more important things that you can criticize the Yaris for than lack DRL's and cupholders. Lack of cruise control, lack of 60/40 fold flat rear seats, and lack of side impact airbags come to mind; but the bottom line is these cars are flying off the dealers lots so fast that they are not even advertised because they get the highest mpg's per dollar of any car on the market and they have the Toyota symbol on the front of the car. If you decide not to buy one, that just leaves someone else happy that they didn't have to wait as long to get theirs.

    P.S. Get the chip off your shoulder.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    I don't care how many have sold because the only sale that's important is the one to ME. I'll "criticize" the Yaris, or to use terms I prefer, point out design flaws that others might want to know about, if I darn well please. Furthermore, if you take the time to go to toyota.com, the things you mention are all available options, if you want to get up off the money to get them, and the 60/40 seats are standard. These things are options, not design flaws.

    P.S., Practice what you preach and mind your own business.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    I apologize. I suppose when it comes to sarcasm, my detector is always on the fritz. I just don't see the need for it, and I don't visit forums enough to know what all the symbols mean, although I have used a couple. I thought you were trying to discredit my experiences and observations with the car after I've lived with it for a week, and interpreted your response as needless rudeness. Sorry.

    To each their own about the DRLs, but I believe people should know, in case they buy a sedan thinking it'll be equipped the same as the hatchback, when it's not! I realize, too, that Yaris was designed to be a teenager or young adult's first car, and that's why it's so basic - they like to tear things apart and modify them anyway! But anyway, the information's there now, and if a grownup decides to buy it anyway, they can't say they weren't made aware!

    Speaking of mods, perhaps this cupholder/DRL debacle is an opportunity for somebody enterprising enough to come up with some aftermarket solutions to a real problem for an otherwise very good little car.

    By the way, I totally understand about the wipers - unfortunately, it didn't rain once the whole time I had the car, so I couldn't really judge those.
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    I sure wish that I had the benefit of your vast knowledge of the Toyota Yaris based on a one week rental before I threw my money away on my first Yaris in April of 2006. Do you think I can find some fool (after all, there's one born every minute) to take this poorly designed piece of junk off my hands?
  • What mileage? How much do you want for it?
    Just kidding. I am in Canada and I will buy a 2009 Yaris soon. (After 180 k with a 2001 Echo, average 41 MPG and ZERO problems).
  • ttaittai Posts: 114
    I have a hatch with 60/40 fold flat seats, cruise control, and crank windows. I haven't checked my mileage for a while, but I'm spending $20/week on gas (mostly city miles). I think the cup holders are brilliant. It keeps my drinks cold in the summer.
  • boris13boris13 Posts: 80
    Haven't posted here for awhile, but I, too, have a '07 hatchback, Mine is meteorite metallic, manual trans, with 60/40 fold-flat rear seat, power package, fog lights, DRLs, dealer-installed cruise control, ABS, side airbags, alloy wheels, and a Toyota accessory rear anti-sway bar. (Yes, the rare "loaded" Yaris!) I also love the cupholders. They don't unduly block air to the driver and passenger and do heat/cool drinks as needed. The AC and heat are both very effective in this small vehicle. With 23,000 miles and counting on the odometer, I'm getting 41-43 mpg in highway driving and about 32-34 mpg in the city. Mixed city/highway (read: typical suburban) driving yields about 35-36 mpg. The worst-ever mpg I've gotten was 30. NO problems whatsoever. Everything works the way it's supposed to. Nothing has fallen off, no plastic warpage, etc. It took me about 10 minutes to get used to the center-mounted speedo. It is simply a great, well designed, good riding little car. I took it from Michigan to Florida and back on a trip recently and was perfectly comfortable (I am 5'10" and 180 lbs.). It's all about low total cost of operation. I cannot believe what a value this cool car is! :shades:
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    I don't know - advertise and find out...
  • lhansonlhanson Posts: 268
    I was hoping you were going to say that you were going to take off my hands for me.
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