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Toyota Yaris



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    But this is coming from someone who says the Accent handles good!!!! Now thats funny!!

    What did you think of the handling of the 2007 Accent SE when you drove it? How did it compare to the Yaris?
  • In the December 4th sales database from Automotive News, the Toyota Yaris has greatly outsold the Honda Fit. The total sales numbers for the first 11 months of 2006 are:

    Honda Fit: 25,702 sold (all trims) :confuse:

    Toyota Yaris: 64,082 sold (all trims) :P

    For every 1 Honda Fit that has sold this year, 2.5 Toyota Yaris sold. If you want to check out the sales database at Automotive news, it will cost you $15 for a weeks online subscription. :mad:
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Guess what Honda has limited imports of the Fit to 3000 for the year. You can't sell what you don't have. No supply means no sale. Many people want Fits and can't get them; they are having to settle for other brands and models. Not a surprise.

    Sales numbers are free at aicaautosite.
  • 1) Thanks for the information on where I can get free car sales numbers. :)

    2) The entry level economy car market is extremely competitive right now, and for Honda to act like it is Microsoft (Monopoly) is just stupid in terms of economics. The entry level economy car market is an Oligopoly, not a Monopoly. The competition is too good to limit the supply of a quality product in this market. Honda could be cashing in big right now, but they missed out because they missed diagnosed the entry level economy car market. :cry:

    3) I graduated with a degree in economics, so I have full understanding of its concepts and principals. :)
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Honda is a much smaller company than Toyota and they don't have the capacity to adjust production immediately. When the new Fit plant in Indiana opens for the 2008 Fit model, production won't be a problem. I wonder if Toyota will move Yaris production to North America if sales hold up.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    I hope not. One of the great attractions of the ECHO/Yaris is its built in Japan. My wifes American built Camry is noticeably less good than my ECHO.
  • "You can't sell what you don't have."

    This is very true. At one point early in the process (late summer) I got kind of ticked at the dealer I was going to buy from and was seriously considering changing my mind toward a Fit. I called a nearby Honda dealer to see if they had one on the lot and he told he didn't expect any more for the rest of the year. I had left my name with a Honda salesman at a dealer next door to the Toyota dealer I was dealing with. One afternoon I got a call that they had just received a Fit and I could have bought it. But, it was red and all pimped out with some kind of sport package. Probably real sharp, but too expensive and not my style. I would loved to have at least taken a test drive, so I called him the following morning to see if I could run over. But, he said someone had already put a deposit on it.

    We like our Yaris, but had Fits been available I just might be driving one--especially if that CR article had come out last summer rather than last month. Very glad to see the Yaris right in there as most reliable. The combination of reliability and great mpg is precisely why I was looking at the Echo and Yaris.

    Thanks to everyone who posted the info.
  • I find it hard to believe that Honda did not have the ability to produce larger quantities of the Fit. Honda has been a major mass producer of cars in the USA for the last 20 years. Nissan was able to sell over 60,000 cars for 3 different style cars (In 2006). To sell that many cars you have to produce that many cars or more. Honda is right up there with Nissan in terms of yearly profit. In my opinion Honda executives by choice, not financial/production restraints, decided to limit the quantity of the Fit.

    The Honda Fit is a top of the line car for this market, but bad business decisions by Honda executives have left potential Honda Fit consumers looking for alternatives. :cry:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    you make yourself appear foolish with such a strident tone. Furthermore, I will bet dollars to donuts you have never set foot on a Hyundai lot, much less driven the '07 Accent SE, which is the exact model and trim I was referring to. So I understand you sell Toyotas and all, but if you are going to speak so definitively, you probably should at least drive the cars you refer to.

    And backy, the Accent is a very good, moderately sporty econoride let down by a shifter which is mediocre at best. It is not a question of the notchiness or lack thereof, it is a question of wanting precision in the gates and NOT a ton of slop in or out of gear. A short shifter won't fix either of those problems. The shifter in the Yaris, while not exceptional, is very decent. The shifter in the Fit is true to Honda tradition, far and away the best of the bunch IMHO.

    And there is no question in my mind that Honda's Fit would be giving the Yaris a hard run for its money in the sales race if in fact Honda could have devoted enough production to the Fit to bring over more than 30-40K of them per year.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Honda is at or near capacity for Civic, Accord, CRV, Pilot, Odyssey, and even the Acura MDX and TL all in North America. All of the mentioned models will sell over 60k this year with the Accord and Civic over 300k for this year. The Fit is not made in North America. They don't have the Japanese capacity that Toyota does. Until the Fit plant opens in Indiana, don't look for Fit production to change much.
  • I understand that the Honda Accord and Civic are near capacity in terms of production, both have always been top sellers for Honda. I do not understand the Pilot or the Odyssey near capacity for production. Who's buying an Odyssey???? :confuse:
  • wave54wave54 Posts: 209
    Who's buying an Odyssey????

    Believe it or not, more Odysseys are sold than the top 3 subcompacts combined. About 170K for the year.

    Not even close to Chrysler's 350K in minivan sales -- guess someone's still buying 'em.
  • "I just could not stand looking at the exterior body of the Honda Fit (not to mention it cost more)."

    I agree. To me it has the styling of a grocery cart. Style wise I like the Yaris best of all--especially the liftback.

    Next I like the looks of the Rio. Looks kind of european, although I wouldn't have bought one after speaking with a neighbor who has both an Echo and a Rio.

    The Versa looks like it was built from plans smuggled out of the Honda design department.

    The Accent looks like a Ford.

    I like the looks of the Yaris best, although I will concede that, based on the CR report, the Fit might be a better car overall. Doesn't matter if you can't buy one, though.
  • Wow! The soccer mom market for vans is greater than I thought (Really its a family van market). Where I live and drive I rarely see those on the road, leading me to make the statement "Who's buying an Odyssey?" Maybe if I drove around Disneyland or Chucky Cheese I would see more of those vans.
  • When not comparing the Yaris to any other car for the best in its auto class, the Toyota Yaris is still a good stand alone value entry level car. Its reliable, gets very good gas mileage for a non-hybrid car, low cost to purchase, and smooth handling in day to day driving (Not driving to its limits like CR reported).

    Often times, including myself, in these forms people want to get into a battle royal in terms of comparisons. The topic is "Toyota Yaris: Is it a Good Value." Not Toyota Yaris verses Honda Fit, or any other car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Value is always relative to what other use you could apply your money. Hence it's natural for other cars to enter into a discussion of value.

    I agree that if you are looking for an entry-level car (with few features) that is likely to be reliable and has excellent fuel economy and a smooth ride for the class, and those are your key criteria, then the Yaris is a good value. Unfortunately, there are compromises I see in the Yaris that do not make it a good choice for me, because my requirements go beyond those I listed. But for others it can be a great choice.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,683
    What did your neighbor who had both ECHO and rio have to say about the Rio?
  • And who really, in daily driving, drives these entry-level cars to their LIMITS (besides magazine staffers who have the luxury of playing around with all different kinds of cars)?

    The Yaris is to today's market as the original VW Beetle was to the 1960s: basic, reliable, durable, fuel-efficient, and fun to drive for what it is.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Driving a car to its limits is very possible in daily driving, in emergency situations. That's why CR among others does emergency-handling tests to see how a car performs "at the limits."

    I could make some other comparisons between the Yaris and '60s vintage Beetle... but I won't. ;)
  • I think you expect the Yaris to be a MINI Cooper.

    It isn't, and doesn't need to be.

    It IS a good value. The only other car in its class that is also a good value is the Fit.

    The Accent and Versa get poor MPG, as does Aveo (with poor quality to boot).

    MPG is the #1 consideration.
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