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Ford Mustang Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Thanks for the info about the priority code. I haven't been able to get a straight answer from the dealer. I ordered my GT in early January, and they still don't have a build date for it. They assigned a priority of 40. They said they assign priority by the sequence of the orders. I'm guessing that with a number of 40 the car will never be built. It is still "C&U". And if Ford is not filling orders because a dealers allotment is used up, That Bites. If they have an order, they need to fill it.

    I recently received an x-plan pin. Is there a dealer in the DC/Northern VA / MD area accepting them? I could start all over.
  • purplegtpurplegt Posts: 22
    Hey, thanks much for that article, it helped confirm my dilemma...I ordered my Premium Mustang GT in November 2004....6 months ago! My phone call to Ford customer service last week gave me news that they are short on the V8 engine, and one of the questions I was asked was did I order the "My Color" option? Which yes, of course I did. They told me that Ford never expected to have such a demand for this option, they way under estimated for it, and of course can't fill the orders for it. Plus I ordered from a smaller dealership in Wisconsin who most likely are not getting a big allocation of Mustangs....do they think us northern people don't enjoy our pony cars? Heck, I have driven the 1996 I have now for the last 9 winters, all winter long. Have to drive like a gramma, but hey, I get around unless the snow gets too deep. The thing I don't understand is, I ordered this vehicle way back in November, I would have thought I'd have been ahead of the game and it would have been here long ago. Anyway, thought I'd give all of you who just ordered yours a good look at the wait you have. My dealer told me that if they start producing the 2006 models and I don't have my 2005, I get my 2006 at the price I ordered last November. At least one consolation, I guess, I'm not paying way over sticker price.......good luck to all who are waiting, waiting, waiting.....just like me...! :cry:
  • stangmanstangman Posts: 2
    Why! :surprise: I'm soooo shock to hear about this many problems in getting a GT around the nation. I sell Ford and do the orders for my dealership. I have ship many stangs to other states. I have many brokers taking orders from me. In the past few weeks I had over 5 GT coups and 4 GT conv on the ground for sell. Don't let your dealership give you a bunch of "bull" and don't pay over sticker.
  • stangmanstangman Posts: 2
    They have the information. They just want to give it. I do the orders for my Ford dealership and they know what's up.
  • esbrockesbrock Posts: 88
    I placed my order for a '05 GT Premium about two weeks ago. I talked to my salesguy yesterday, and he told me he hasn't heard back on it yet. He doesn't expect to get a build date sent to him until late May with the car getting to me around July. He didn't mention any delays regarding the IUP option. I think I am going to be resolved to the fact that I may have to wait for the '06 model before I get it. If it comes in sooner that I can be surprised. With all these people waiting for even a build date, I may be way back in line.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,537
    I'm not a dealer, nor do I have all the answers. But, I did a lot of research on the Mustang before I ordered.

    So, here's where we're at.

    At the beginning of the year, there were "holds" on the IUP package. Some have said it's because of a pending lawsuit Ford had to deal with rewgarding the MY COLOR feature of the IUP. Don't know how true that is, but the lawsuit has been long since settled. Add to that, Ford did not expect the popularity of the IUP package and thus, the orders that included the package may have been subject to delays.

    The Mustang, overall, has been a huge success for Ford....all models, but particularly the GTs and convertibles. Shortages of V8 engines have arisen. That only adds to the already heavy backlog.

    Ford has hit it's limit in the amount of GTs it will produce....to the point where some '05 GTs can't be produced by the end of the '05 model year. That's given that Ford upped production of the Mustang about a month ago. They still can't keep up with demand.

    Dealer allocation and priority assessment has entered into the picture as Ford is trying to get Mustangs out to the dealerships based on their allotment system (based on previous year's Mustang sales). Many dealers don't have any more allotments for GTs or convertibles. They will get no more '05 GTs or convertibles. You are at the mercy of your dealer to tell you this when you order.

    As far as priority assessment, that's strictly a dealer call what priority you get. But, even if they placed an order with a priority 10 (which is the best you can get from the dealer), if they don't have allotment left, it still won't get built for '05. Dealer priority goes from 10 (best) to 99 (will never get built).

    Add to that, dealers know they can get MSRP or above for their stock units. So, they are reluctant to place orders for folks that may have one of the Ford special pricing plans (like X, A, D ,etc), or to give them a high priority.

    Where does this leave those who want their '05 Mustang GT or convertible? Well, my best guess is to forget about that order you placed (unless your dealer is assuring you that they will indeed get yours in based on their "incoming" sheets.

    If you want an '05 GT or convertible now, the best thing to do is to go to the dealer you trust, see what they have coming in, and make a deal on it before it hits their lot.

    If not, wait for '06 ordering to begin (sometime in June/July time frame) and order one.

    You can also try to do a search on forddirect.com to see if any dealers within your geography have any in stock. If they do, high tale it to the dealer to buy it if it's relatively close to what you want.
  • Hello, Im a first time poster looking not to get screwed too much by my ignorance of car buying at the hands of the dealer, so i was wondering if 2005 V6 Deluxe Mustangs are being sold for under MSRP? Ive talked to 2 dealers and they gave me a quick quote of 22000 out the door, I feel as though I can get one for 20,000 out the door , is it reasonable to believe I can?
  • litt10litt10 Posts: 6
    Going to order a black GT on Friday. The salesman said expect the car in
    approx 6 to 8 weeks. I would like to know if this time frame is accurate
  • esbrockesbrock Posts: 88
    litt10:

    From what i've read in the posts and the advise given by several people here, there is no definite answer to your question. It seems to be dependant on several factors: the options you order, whether you are using one of Ford's special purchase plans, the dealer's product allotment. There are some who placed orders in November and December that are still waiting. I placed my order 2 weeks ago and haven't received a confirmation of build date yet, which was to be expected. The dealership I ordered from, told me that my GT wouldn't arrive until mid-July. My assumption then is that there is quite a backlog of orders and that the dealership was using a car from their July allotment for my order. Now we know what happens when we assume, but I will take them for their word because they have been fairly straight forward with me so far. Since I am not in a great need for a new car, I really don't mind the wait. I have even resigned to the fact that I may need to wait for an '06 model, but I sure would like to get my hands on this car so I can find out for myself what all the rave reviews are about. Good Luck, the sooner you order it the sooner you will get it.
  • racingjayracingjay Posts: 19
    Weighmaster:

    It is very possbile.

    I bought an 05 V6 Premium last week for invoice. Do you homework and pit the dealers against each other, and it will pay off. Dont know what kind of equipment you are after, but drove my stang out the door for $20,200. $1500 off MSRP.

    Good luck - stay away from the manual transmissions. They make finding exactly what you want impossible!!

    J
  • Forgot to mention that Im in the Bay Area, and Im just lookin for the base manual tranny (deluxe) with nothing extra (maybe the machined alum. rims if anything)... Im can live with half the colors they offer, and the basic sound and interior the deluxe has is fine enough for me... If you got a premium for 20200, I guess I can low ball a Deluxe at 18500
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  • mike53mike53 Posts: 2
    Sorry, but that is obviously an uneducated salesman. Realistically, expect a Ford Mustang GT (without interior upgrade) to be delivered in about 18 to 24 weeks after ordered. This is because Ford is having problems meeting demand and now becoming short on parts. We ordered a GT in December and are still awaiting an official build date. Fortunately, we purchased one for a dealer with a high allocation which means we will most likely get one as oppose to dealers with low allocation that may not be able to attain one at all. Include the interior upgrade package and can just forget about beating this model year.
  • litt10litt10 Posts: 6
    Went to order my Mustang GT on Friday was told by the salesman that it takes about 6 months. He said I would be better off ordering a 2006 so thats what I am going to do. He did say if he got his hands on a 2005 with the options and color I want I could have that one.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,537
    As everyone else has pointed out, '05 Mustang GTs are pretty much sold out. Matter of fact, last I heard a few weeks ago, Ford said that they had 13,000 ordered '05 GTs that would not get built. I'm sure that number is higher now.

    Orders for '06s will begin in May. Based on what I've heard, there's a waiting list for the first '06s is getting long, too.

    I do think there will be a trickle of '05 GTs coming into dealerships as they are probably orders that the dealership placed a while ago. But, you'll have to be diligent in finding them. They usually sell as soon as they hit the dealership's lot.

    Although, there are more '05 V6s Mustangs available, I wouldn't plan on getting them near invoice. Maybe try to offer $500 over invoice and see if that flies. My guess is, they'll bring $1,000 over invoice, however.
  • esbrockesbrock Posts: 88
    Can I assume then that if my order for an '05 GT does not get build, that the order will rollover to the '06 model year? Or am I going to have to go through the whole ordering process over again?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,537
    I don't believe that any unbuilt '05 Mustang automatically rolls over to an '06 model. You'd have to place the order for an '06, which you can do beginning in May.
  • I live about an hour North of NYC and purchased an '05 Premium V6 with the interior & exterior Sports Upgrade, alarm system, wheel locking kit, etc. After MANY headaches I finally got her for $500 under MSRP. Everywhere I went they were trying to get me for over MSRP, using the lack of GT's as the excuse. I never even considered a GT...the V6 has more than enough power for me and gas mileage wise - no need for the extra power. The biggest scam I found was a dealership that had all models without the exterior sports upgrade...so their gig was to charge you $699 for the "customer painted spoiler" and $299 for the "vinyl self-stick stripe". Yes - a GRAND for options that cost you only $299 total from FORD!! To boot the dealership wanted to sell me a bill of goods that FORD doesn't have these spoilers pre-painted in-stock and the $699 was to cover the "customer paint job". Uh - Huh!

    In the end I walked in the last dealership being rude. When he asked if he can help I told him No and then thought better by advising him I CHALLENGE him to help me & I'm tired of being lied to. The result? "What do you want"...so I told him. He asked for 3 minutes to try & locate me what I wanted....and low & behold...60 seconds later....my car was found with everything I wanted in NJ. I had her in my hot little hands a week later.

    All's well that ends well....love her & HIGHLY recommend her to anyone trying to talk themselves out of it!!! You deserve it!!!
  • I ordered my '05 Premium Black on Black Mustang GT back in Oct. '04 for MSRP and was driving it down the strip in San Diego a week later. I tried X Plan but I was unsuccessful in getting that price (which was approximately $2.5K off MSRP). I LOVE this car but I will be willing to depart with her if I can get my hands on a '07 Shelby GT500 (due out next summer).
  • Dealers are a huge hassle! Order on-line, if possible :P
  • I'm not the biggest fan of the newer mustang, although I still like it - i'm purchasing a 'new' 2004 mustang convertible (v6) that hasnt been sold yet. I was hoping to get a deal. The MSRP is somewhere around 27,800 - after cash backs and dumb incentives its down to around 24,900 or so - how much should i be able to bargain down to? I was hoping to get a good deal with the older model
  • purplegtpurplegt Posts: 22
    I posted awhile back regarding ordering a 2005 Mustang GT....I ordered in November 2004 and still have not seen my new stang! I've started to call Ford direct and bug them weekly, hoping to get them rolling on my 6 month and waiting order. I'm waiting to hear back from my dealer this next week about what happens if my 2005 isn't fulfilled, does it automatically roll to a 2006...he seemed to think it would, as if all of us who have ordered and haven't got them, all that would do is piss a whole bunch of people off having to basically get back in line and wait again.
    If they don't roll over, I will be there on May 1st doing my re-order at the 2005 price, which I have been promised by my dealer. I hear that those V8 engines they are so short on are in competition with the Ford F150 pick up trucks that carry the same engine. Lovely. I'm not giving up yet, and I'm not succumbing to a V6. I'll send through an update on the 2006 ordering when I hear. Let's hope a re-order is NOT going to have to happen!! :mad:
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,537
    Ford is not accepting any new orders for the '05 Mustang GTs. They have more than enough orders in the pipeline to keep the plant busy for the rest of the '05 build out through their '06 changeover shutdown in July. Matter of fact, at least 13,000 orders will go unfilled.

    '05 orders do not automatically roll over to '06 models. To get an '06, you'll have to reorder through your dealer.

    The single biggest reason that Ford has had problems fulfilling orders is that demand has far outstripped Ford's ability to fill them. Ford even upped production and still can't fulfill all '05 orders.

    You should be able to place an order for an '06 on May 15.
  • mike53mike53 Posts: 2
    How much longer do you think the wait for a Mustang GT (coupe) that just entered into production this week might take to be built and delivered to the dealer?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,537
    If they are producing it this week, it's reasonable to think that they will have it ready for shipment by the end of the week. Depending on where you live, it will either go on a truck carrier (if you live within 200-250 miles of Flat Rock) and/or a train carrier.

    If it's shipped via train, your Mustang will be delivered to a regional facility and then picked up via truck to be delivered to your dealer. I'd say another 10-14 days for delivery after it's built. If you're close and it's trucked to your dealer, I'd say 5-10 days for delivery after it's built.
  • I planned to order a 2005 GT in early April, but after reading that Ford’s production was way behind and orders may not be filled prior to year’s end, I decided to look for a comparable V6. After an internet dealer’s inventory search from Las Vegas, NV to Albuquerque, NM I found a V6 in Serria Vista, AZ with everything I wanted:

    V6 Coupe Premium, 5 speed manual, satin silver, dark charcoal leather, power driver’s seat, 16” bright machined wheels, interior and exterior sport package (I peeled off the door stripes, yuck), passive alarm, window tint, Shaker 500, anti-lock brakes and traction control.

    The MSRP was $22,355 and the dealer had a $2,000 mark-up on the sticker. After downloading the invoice from Edmunds, I added $500 and it came to $21,500. That was to be my final offer. At the dealer, I test drove the V6 and was really impressed. My 1988 Ranger (bought new) has a 2.9 liter V6 with a 5 speed manual and always had enough power for me. This V6 Mustang had a great sound and a lot more power than I would have imagined. We then test drove a GT. This is the only dealer I’ve been to that even had a GT available for a test drive. The GT was awesome, but we passed a cop on the drive and I had to hit the brakes (way too fast a car for me). After the test drives, I told the salesman that if he gave me a smoking deal on the V6, I would write him a check today.

    He showed me a copy of their invoice and said he would sell it to me for $500 over or $21,585. I couldn’t believe it! I showed him my paperwork with $21,500 as my top offer and said if he would match my top we had a deal. Three minutes later he was back and we had a deal for $21,500. A few days later when I picked up the car, I hit the fleet manager up for a case of oil and two filters which he gave to me for wholesale. The whole experience was great, no pressure, very friendly and I think a great deal. If you’re looking for a Ford dealer in southern Arizona, I would recommend Lawley Team Ford in Sierra Vista.

    One week and 2,000 miles later, I’ve had no problems with the car. It’s a rocket from 65 to 90 and handles much better than I expected. The side window tint does scratch easily and the jack rabbit I nailed the other night at 40 mph didn’t help the front air deflector much, but other than that, what an awesome ride!
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,537
    Good deal on your V6. Those GTs are scarcer than a sober person in New Orleans during Mardi Gras.

    I keep hearing of tint scratching. I think that's a function of the tinter's expertise, not Ford. If a tinter can not do a decent enough prep job to keep their tint job from scratching, on any car, I think I'd either forgo tinting, or find someone who is more adept at doing a good job.

    While I've not driven a V6, I hear that they are speedy in thier own right.

    I can attest to the GT having "awsome" acceleration. Personally, all the cars I've owned probably have had more power than I'll ever need. But, that's why I buy them.
  • fidothedogfidothedog Posts: 2
    I walked into Ted Britt Ford in Chantilly VA (DC suburb) and they had a Mustang GT Convertible on the showroom floor with a....get this....$10,000 premium on it. Salesperson said this was the going price in the DC area for a Mustang GT Conv but I could have it with a $8,000 premium. I called around and the cheapest I could find was a $6,000 premium above MSRP. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out supply and demand but it also leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. I passed on the offer and will wait for a better deal on the 06s. I cannot imagine the depreciation hit a buyer would take if they actually bought a $31,000 car with a $10,000 premium (total of $41,000). I figure vehicle would only be worth around $25,000 in two years (40% depreciation hit). Also, I also think that at $41,000 I would be looking at BMW convertibles instead.
  • 1panky1panky Posts: 34
    fidothedog, I agree with you wholeheartedly. One can only talk to the first owners of the latest version of the Thunderbird. The first year premiums were 10K plus including money paid under the table to get on the delivery list. A year later major rebates were offered and now salesmen are begging you to look at one that has been accumulating dust on the lot. In addition, imagine the up-side-down financing problems these first owners must be facing today. One must remember that these vehicles are production models and presently in short supply caused by poor production planning of the manufacturer. These vehicles. although nostalgic to some degree, do not fall under the category of true limited production models such as a Roush or Bullet version that would trigger some level of a premium over msrp. A cool head and a patient attitude will reward you with big financial dividends in the end when production finally catches up to this initial demand backlog. Another added benefit of waiting are that the build glitches that are present on the current model should be corrected on your later model purchase. For me, having major surgery on a new car such as a fuel tank replacement or having to live with "popping" sounds would end my honeymoon period quickly.
  • danmandanman Posts: 16
    I was one of those people that ran out and paid above MSRP on the 2005 Mustang, Had to have it. $2k above to be one of the first which I think I was in my area, $30k for a $28k MSRP car. Awesome car, best Mustang I have ever driven, but had all the mentioned problems, fuel tank, shaker stereo and the final nail in the coffin was the squeaks and rattles that coudln't be fixed on 5+ tries. Even went to a second dealer. Pretty angry when I have people laughing at me and yelling at me while trying to fill my gas tank on a brand new $30k car! I know how to pump my own gas, never had anything likie that happen in my 20+ yrs of driving new cars. I Invoked my rights with the Lemon law and got my $$ back. Checking other alternatives in American muscle now. If I had those rattles now, who knows what it would be like 3+ yrs from now. I hope for 2006 Ford gets it's act together.
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