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Porsche 911

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  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107
    Greetings:

    I often read posts which ask what they should expect to pay for a new or used 997. My take on this is that obviously you should do your homework and get what you feel is a good , fair and reasonable price with the understanding that " Buyer beware " is a practical issue to keep in your forebrain. The often missed issue is this: you are also buying history, racing experience, and ownership in the best built sportscar for the money in the world. Does the Corvette offer you history?? Given, the Porsche is a more expensive car, but check out the interior on the new Corvettes... no comparison, I wouldn't shell out $65,000 for a car that comes with blems on the leather and scuffs on the plastic.. My car was delivered in PERFECT condition.. not a single scratch or knick. I will never drive my 997 170 mph, but knowing I can is enough. Every time I turn that ignition key I get a smile on my face....I could care less about the depreciation... I'm keeping this car for a long time. It's comforting to know that a Porsche family member had input into the design of my car, not a board of 100 designers in Detroit who are employees rather than owners. The next time you question whether a Porsche 997 is the car for you, go take a really close look at the lines, design and build quality of the roof on a 997 coupe, flip those little built-in clips for the roof rack and see what you think. Porsche put more thought into those aerodynamic little gizmos than Chevy put into the entire interior on the Corvette... With a Porsche you are investing in a part of the dream that is Porsche..
    I've been dreaming that dream since I was 18..ya, the last 40 years
    Chromedome
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Chromedome, you and I are of the same generation. I knew a guy back in the 1st Cav with the same nickname. When he was in Pleiku he would tell the girls who worked in the "laundry" to call him Chromedome. Any connection?
  • markgc4smarkgc4s Posts: 23
    Oil change ran me about $200. Car running great! Noise gone, hope that it was a one timer thing.
  • spechtbachspechtbach Posts: 16
    I have a 2007 C2 and love the car but I would not be so critical of the Corvette. I think the car has wonderful engineering.I purchased a 911 but the Corvette is very close.Have you driven a Corvette?
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    i've driven a corvette C6 Z06 and was VERY impressed with the factory power output but that was about it. It's a great bang for the buck but its still got cheap looking plastic parts inside that resort back to its GM heritage.

    But to each their own.....there are some kids who grow up dreaming of a 911 and some that grow up dreaming of a vette. You'll never be able to change their dreams for better or worse so let 'em be ;)
  • ringleader6ringleader6 Posts: 43
    Really, I did not know there were any colors other than silver or black. Seriously though, I had a GT Silver 06 and just purchased a Black 07 although thought about white for a few seconds, to be different. Still think the Silver is the best looking car day in and day out. Black is so difficult. I think most Porsche buyers realize the popularity of the basic colors on a resale demand and I believe most Porsche owners tend to be relatively conservative people anyway. The price of the vehicle tends to limit the market to more conservative people.
  • thesnausagethesnausage Posts: 10
    I was considering adding the K&N air filter to my 2004 911 Carrera. The price is a bit steep ($291.95) with a posted 23 horsepower gains. Has anyone installed this and if so, have you dyno'd your car before and after. Did you notice a performance difference.

    Thanks
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Where in the heck are you getting your information?

    According to the K&N web site, the air filter for a 2004 911 runs $81, not $292. And the estimated increase in horsepower is 1 to 4 horsepower, not 23. I have heard positive things regarding K&N air filters, but wherever you are getting your information from is way off.

    The increase in going from a 997 to a 997S (3.6 liter to 3.8 liter) is "only" 30 horsepower, and that effectively costs about $6,000. Do you honestly think you could get 75% of that benefit from a $90 air filter? If so, I have some "wet" real estate to sell you. ;)

    K&N Homepage
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    No way I'd put that on a 2004 911. Porsche engineers do not leave much HP on the table and I doubt you'd gain anything whatsoever except more noise and more maintenance to do. Drop in "special" filters without modification of intake and exhaust is a waste of money and potentially troublesome IMO.

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  • thesnausagethesnausage Posts: 10
    http://www.automotion.com/productpage.aspx?pid=103664&name=K%26N+Intake+System

    K&N Intake System

    by K&N

    $291.95

    CARB Certification Pending Add 23hp to your 1999-’04 996 Porsche® With K&N’s® Aircharger Intake Kit
    It’s hard to believe that the Porsche® O.E. intake system is as restrictive as it is, but repeated dyno tests on several 996s have shown that the K&N Aircharger adds 23 horsepower. And the best news is that it uses the O.E. mass-air sensor and requires no custom programming. The installation is simple too – just remove the factory intake and replace it with the K&N Aircharger that fits in the same location. Made out of advanced composites, the HDPE intake tube provides a direct, unrestricted path to your engine for maximum airflow. The K&N high-flow air filter is a 360-degree conical design with carbon fiber lid that provides plenty of clean, cool air. Hot under-hood air is isolated from the filter by black powder-coated sheet metal baffles that incorporate the factory cold air duct. You can plan on the K&N Aircharger performing like new for years to come with its million-mile washable and re-useable air filter, and quality kit components like silicone connecting hoses. Finally, power you can feel from an intake kit! For normally aspirated 996 only and will not fit GT3.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Well that's advertising for you. I'd love to test it on my friend's dyno under close supervision. We did that to a similar system on an Audi and actually lost horsepower on one pull. Best result was about 2 HP which was statistically irrelevant. That was enough for me.

    Problem with dyno testing is that you can dial in any horsepower reading you want to see. Dynos are so easily to fudge. Here's how:

    http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0402tur_dyno_tricks_problems/

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  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    also - the ad you refer to is talking about replacing the intake "system", not just an air filter. i'm a pretty active enthusiast with plenty of mods on my porsches and have yet to hear of anybody owning up to utilizing this K&N air intake system. Who knows - maybe you could be the first? ;)

    Also, be weary of using the K&N air filter. Some have had great success, others...not. Problem is that the K&N has some oils in the filter(not uncommon) to help collect particles and prevent "drying out" which is theoretically good but Porsche's MAFs are very sensitive to any changes....so much so that oil residue from these K&N filters have led to mucking up the MAF and causing the car to go into limp mode. Some have intentionally dried out their K&Ns by letting them sit but then the filter loses part of its function and particles get through which again, mucj up the MAF

    The notion of being less restrictive, and increasing air flow is great EXCEPT for Porsche's MAF system. Thus many have chosen alternate routes in order to tack on extra HPs. The most popular and succesful ways have been so far with less restrictive cats and new mufflers ($2500-5,000+) and/or reprogramming the DME (flashing) which will run about $2000. These two methods have the most pronounced effect with turbo cars. It's difficult to do much with NA cars.

    Good luck and enjoy the modding....there is plenty more to do but this is just a start
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    At least that clarifies your previous post - it's the air intake system you are referring to, not the air filter.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Also, don't confuse "CARB pending" with CARB approved. CARB pending means they submitted an application.

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    You appear knowledgeable on the subject, so if I might ask a question.

    I have a 2005 C2S with the "Sport Chrono" and "Porsche Sport Exhaust" options. Neither of which are officially credited with any increase in power. But, when activated together, they sure seem to make the car feel quicker. In addition, the Sport Exhaust is, I believe, the same one that is included in the X51 package that does officially add 25+ horsepower.

    Do you think that either the Sport Chrono or Sport Exhaust add to the standard Carrera S output?

    At one point I had considered selling my 2005 and getting a 2007 in a different color. I would have ordered the sport chrono for $920, but may have foregone the sport exhaust for $2,400. Would I have noticed a difference in the performance?
  • tgenoyertgenoyer Posts: 4
    does anyone have any experience with the smartTOP-997 roof control unit?
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    all the sport mode does is just make the throttle repsonse quicker - doesn't increase the power at all. the sport exhaust doesn't add any power either, well maybe 1-2 HP by being barely less restrictive. of course there is an increase in the sound that makes you feel more robust and powerful but in the end it does not change any performance numbers unfortunately
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Well said.

    Something everyone should keep in mind, especially with any high performance car like a Porsche:

    From the air cleaner on one end, through the engine, and to the exhaust tips on the other end--- is basically one long tube...and if you don't address the entire length of the tube, then what you do on just one end or just the other end, isn't going to amount to very much in isolation of the entire system.

    So, more air needs more induction needs more fuel needs more cylinder breathing, needs more compression needs more fuel charge cooling needs more exhaust needs more $$$!!

    Mr. S
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  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107
    Greetings:

    No , sir, I am not that individual. I have been fortunate that the present style allows me to complete shave my head, baldness hidden! At 57 years old and 35 years of marrage, I am totally at easy with myself . All I can say is that at this time in my life I am completely enjoying myself and the Porsche is a big part of that..

    Good luck and enjoy your car

    Chromedome
  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107
    Sir:

    I have been in a few Corvettes and have driven my brothers' 2006. The angle at which you sit is a problem for me, the materials are common to Chevrolet. ( I own a 2007 Silverado, Crew Cab, so I like Chevys ) For the buck , I do not enjoy the conotation (sp ? ) of being one who wears silk shirts, gold chains , fake chest hair and spandex pants. Barbie dolls with blond hair sticking outside the windows smoking Camels is not my idea of a cool car. Okay HP!! Lots of it, but I don't want to spin the tires. With a Porsche you buy exceptional build quaility, materials and history. I will stick with that and leave my retired military brother to the Corvette.

    Oh well....
    Chromedome
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    This is one of the few forums where I cannot be traced so I have a anonymous question that I would appreciate honest feedback.

    'A gentleman recently saw a car of mine (older ferrari) at a car show and told me he;s interested in buying my car. This car took me 18mos to find(very meticulous and wanted the best of the best). I've never thought about selling the car and always planned to just have it "forever" but he's offering 40% more than I paid for it just 6mos ago. And yes I paid fair market value and it has gone up but not nearly that much!

    Am I crazy passing this up? Yeah the money would be great but some things just aren't about the money. I can't ask my wife because I know what she would say ;)
  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107
    Sir:

    I went nuts when I sold my 1976 914 2.0. It had 36k miles afeter 4 years and was in perfect condition. I was always sorry I sold that car because I loved it. The fastest car in 1st and 2nd I have owned. If you actually love the car, don't do it, if it's a step up to a car you will love, do it!

    Chromedome
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    i've decided it's staying. none of the "fun" cars are planning to be sold, just added on to so by the time i'm 50 i should have a pretty good size garage ;)

    and i definitely don't want to be one of those guys who kick themselves for selling a certain car - not gonna be me ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Don't forget you'll owe capital gains tax, too. :cry:

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  • Back in 1979, as a 27 year old single guy with a good corporate finance job, I purchased one of 455 original BMW M1's. I sold it about 3.5 years later after getting married and my wife was pregnant with our first child. I had paid $60,000 new and sold it for slightly more to a collector w/ 25,000 miles on the odometer.

    My decision to sell was not as much motivated by financial need as it was time and interest. I knew that I wouldn't get to drive the car as much with a young family and I also knew that any exotic car of that day required a fair amount of routine maintenance and care. I had a great mother and father who spent all their free time with us as kids, and I didn't want to be tinkering with a car when I could be coaching baseball.

    After the sale, I put $50,000 of the proceeds into an investment account and my wife agreed that, if we didn't use it up to fund the kids college tuition, I could splurge as an old man on another sports car. Well, here we are. I'm an old man (funny how your perspective on being 55 changes when you actually hit that age). We got the kids through college (almost) via other means. I coached baseball. My kids want to vacation as a family, even when they are in their 20's. I've even snuck in a sports car or two in the intervening years, thanks to other good investments. And we never touched the "M1 Investment Account".

    Every once in awhile, when I see an old BMW M1 at a car show or even see a picture of one, I get nostalgic. But I never regretted my decision to sell - it was the right one at the right time. My advice is that if owning a Ferrari is your dream and you feel you deserve it, by all means, enjoy it. But do not think of any car as an investment, think of it as an expenditure.

    P.S. That investment account? It now has a $1,924,000 balance (about 16.5% average annual after tax return over 24 years). If I really get nostalgic, I could buy 15-20 M1's. ;)
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    wow - that's quite a little stash for a rainy day ;) kudos!

    i haven't looked at this car as an investment, rather as one of the cars on my list of "Cars I want to own". It came true and never really planned on selling it unless a financial crunch dictated so. So when I was approached I saw I could look at it one of two ways:

    1. Look at it as if someone just decided to give you an extra $X and not taking this is costing me $X to keep it

    OR

    2. Does this extra $X (if I sold it) have any sort of financial impact on me now? The answer is no but then spiritinthesky's post about $2M - that does have a financial impact on me ;)

    Enough of this, the car is going to grow old with me (Knock on wood) so let's get back to talking about wasting $$$ on Porsches
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    and by the way - thanks for responding to this question non-judgmentally (I am very down to earth but realize how this could come across to some the wrong way)....and sorry for the off topic nature
  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107
    Hey:

    Everybody with a brain for Porsches and fine cars understands. If you are a " car guy" you just are... I have lived and dreamed Porsches for 40 years. There is not a day that goes by that I don't look at my 2006 C2S and say " this car is way cool ". I will have it for a long time... one of my ( lucky ) kids will get this one . I have only 2238 miles on it..after 19 months of ownership, okay a garage queen... but it's in absolutely PERFECT condition.

    Chromedome
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "I have only 2238 miles on it..after 19 months of ownership, okay a garage queen... but it's in absolutely PERFECT condition."

    ..After 19 months of ownership of my 2005 C2S Cab, 13,600 miles and it's in PERFECT condition. I think my daughters have logged twice as many miles in the back seat than you have on your car. But if you are happy that's all that matters.

    Part of the beauty I see in the 997 is that it CAN be driven daily. If I had a bit more disposable income and wanted a pure garage queen, I might have been tempted by the Ferrari 430 that I could have picked up for MSRP in September 2005 (unique circumstances). But even though that $190k would now be worth $250k +/-, I wouldn't have had a fraction of the fun I've had with our "family car". ;)
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    I have it over a year now and love it. Took less than 15 mins to install.
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