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  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    The TT tip also is networked to the rest of the car, hence the car can keep the boost up during upshifts.

    "This is the result of the interaction of the turbochargers with their variable turbine geometry, the Porsche Traction Management, and the new Tiptronic S set-up."
  • Just to let you folks know, we ordered the 911 Turbo today. The wait from the Newport Beach dealer is over a year and they do not even issue you a reference number until Porsche accepts your order. We ordered from Woodland Hills and they gave us a reference number immediately and they said the wait time will be about 6 months. I think the salesman is telling the truth. I came in under the Costco auto buying program and I think it behooves the salesmen to deal honestly with Costco customers. I did not get a discount from MSRP, but getting the car twice as fast is a bonus of sorts. A dealer in Northern California offered a whopping $100 discount from MRSP under the Costco program, but I did not think the distance (about 400 miles) justified the savings.
    Anyway, I did as much research as I could about the new DSG Transmission. After talking to several people ar Porsche, I decided to go ahead with the purchase of the turbo with the tip tranny. If the new transmission comes out with the '08 model which is a distinct possibility, the high demand might mean a significant rise in the base price PLUS, who knows what the DSG will cost? AS much as I would like to have the latest and the greatest transmission, I do not want to pay a huge premium for it. If the turbo's base price increases 20% due to high demand and the new DSG is, say an additional $12,000, I could be looking at another $40,000 in a worst case scenario. Anyway, I can see a $25,000 increase EASILY. No, it isn't worth the risk. I can live with the tiptronic.
    It is possible that the DSG will come out in Europe in "08 and not come out in North America until "09. I suppose I could buy an '09 from a german dealer but I am not sure. Also, there may be problems with a new tranny but I doubt it given German efficiency. Anyway, I can hardly wait until April!
  • You might want to lighten up on the "large font" button. It's a little too "in your face", which I don't think is your intention.

    Congratulations on your order, but for the record, I don't agree with your financial analysis of future pricing.

    The 2007 Turbo was long awaited and a very substantial improvement over the outgoing 996 Turbo S. Yet, in terms of price, its hardly any more, equivalently equiped. My dealer claims it's actually less, given the new standard PASM and other features.

    The DSG was originally intended to be introduced with the 997 Turbo, but for some engineering reasons, was delayed. I've been told when I toured the factory that the Tiptronic is just a 1+/- year substitute and will not be available after introduction of the DSG. It may indeed be more than the $3,400, but I seriously doubt more than another thousand or two. And, at least according to my dealer, approximately 75% of the Turbos sold are being ordered with manual 6-speeds, so it's unlikely that the DSG by itself is going to increase demand that much or effect overall market pricing. Especially given that the huge difference in going from the 996 to 997 model didn't result in a price increase and Porsche has scaled back production due to market concerns. I suspect the DSG introduction will go unnoticed except by enthusiasts. If you keep the car for 10+ years, it won't make much of a difference on resale. But if something changes I suspect a 3-4 year old Turbo with Tip will take a hit in resale when the DSG takes over, only because it is the top of the line Porsche. I mention this only because of your stated concern on resale.

    Also, there are numerous dealers on the East Coast that have slots for ordering a Turbo for delivery before April. My dealer ships 5-6 cars a year to buyers from the West, at a current shipping price of $1,600, which they generally split with the buyer. I have at least 3-4 business associates in California and Arizona that have ordered Porsches and BMW M cars from the east at either substantial savings, faster delivery, or both.
  • Spirit,

    Thank you for your informed opinions. I use the larger font so I can read it better. It is not my intention to "shout". There must be a way to make my font look larger when I type and not larger when you see it.
    Thanks for the tip on delivery, but I think I can make it until April without blowing a gasket :).
    Regarding the tip tranny, I am sure it will be obsolete within one to two years and maybe a bit sooner, but I drove the turbo and it is wicked fast. I cannot imagine the DSM shaving off more than another one tenth of a second or two at the very most from zero to 60. Would I like to have that extra boost? You bet! And I am shelling out the extra $1800 for the Sport Chronometer function. But I am not so sure that Porsche will not raise the price considerably for the '08 models given all of the publicity and the waiting lists. There is a decent chance that the new DSM will only be available on the '08 models next summer and if Porsche is a "nice guy" and not known for taking advantage of market demand, I could be wrong BUT, I think waiting until summer hoping for a modest price increase may not be the wise move. Anyway, I have read numerous driving reviews and I have yet to read a review that trashed the tiptronic. At least one of the professional race car driver reviews that I have read stated that the race car driver preferred the tip over the manual. I presume they were not paid to say that (or pressured) but I could be wrong. As for the guy who hated his tip so much that he wanted to swap for a manual tranny, I think he just prefers the total involvement of the manual transmission.
    So, I think while the tiptronic will soon be obsolete, it is sort of like- scholastically speaking- going from a B+ to an A and while the improvement will probably be noticeable, in most probability it will not be like going from a C to an A. Of course of you are a true aficionado and you notice every minor detail, it may very well be a big deal to you and I guess when you are paying $150,000 for a car, you are paying for details. While I enjoy getting involved in the purchase of such a fine machine as the Turbo, I am not a true aficanado. This is a nice reward for all of my hard work and if the new DSM is a bit better, I think I can live with it.
  • Spirit says:

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    But this was before all of the publicity about the Turbo being the "perfect super car for every day use" and a "bargain" (Road and Track October 2006). Once you put "perfect" and "bargain" together, you usually get a spike in demand. As the word gets out the waiting times may well increase before summer and if Porsche isn't Santa Claus. I think a substntial price increase may be in the offing for the '08 models. If the new DSM is introduced with the new '08's, the price increase could easily be $25,000. I just do not think the Porsche people would pass up a nice profit. After all, they are in business to make money. If not, remind me not to buy their stock.
  • Dear folks,

    I hate to monopolize this forum but I have another request for advice from you experts.
    We made some changes in our options on the 911 Turbo, and we have one week to tweak this list before the order becomes final.

    Color: When we went to order the Turbo, my wife noticed a lavender tone in the GT Silver color that I never noticed. She said she did not want to have a "prissy" color so we opted for jet black instead. I thought whoever said there was "pink" in GT Silver was color blind. Apparently, not. Not only do we save the $2300 option upgrade, but the black car looks almost "mean" and aggressive and much sharper. The $800 upgrade to metallic black would be easier to keep clean but not as dramatic looking. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and keep the car clean. I may get away for washing once a week if I use a California duster every day.
    The telephone options are quite confusing. The first salesperson who helped me out said I should take the $960 module telephone option and keep a second cell phone in my car to make it convenient rather than change chips back and forth. The last salesman said to forget the option and just get a bluetooth with a headset from my cell phone provider. Can anyone help me on the best and cheapest way to handle the hands-free telephone problem? Calif. will soon ban hands-on telephones in moving vehicles so I must address this concern.
    Supple leather: Yes, it makes the seats look more luxurious BUT several salesmen told me the quilted look also shows wear much faster. The last salesman recommended this $395 option as a bargain. I looked at a used car that had the supple leather and had 44,000 mils on the odometer. Yes, the leather was creased and did not look new, but did not look bad either but probably not as good as standard leather would have looked. Does anyone have experience with supple leather? Can you give a recommendation?
    Electronic log book: I am self employed and declare mileage on my income tax so I thought this option at $650, was expensive but useful. The last salesman cautioned me that this function may not be easy to use. Since the whole idea is convenience, I am reconsidering this option. Do any of you entrepreneurs have an opinion?
    Remote CD Changer in the trunk: getting mixed reviews. Any opinions?
    Rims and caps exterior. Any pictures available?
    Rear window wiper- sounds good from a safety standpoint but I have yet to see a model with this option so I presume it impedes the appearance of the car. This option is free. Any comments? I live in So. California so snow and a lot of rain is not a big factor.
    The new salesman recommends red seatbelts in the black/black car to coordinate with exterior red brake calipers. This option at $530 plus seems overly pricey. A touch of red in the cabin might give a more sporty appeal but would have to make an impact to justify the expense. Comments?
    Embossed Porsche crests on the headrests ($270)-not real noticeable but noticeable might not be in good taste. Worth it?
    The $250 muti-function upgrade to regulate the radio and navigation system without moving hands from wheel seems like a relative bargain.
    Rear console- the $1260 to leather-up the front portion of the console seemed excessive but we opted to leather the lid portion including stitching- with "TURBO" logo, it came to $293. A bit pricey but a relative bargain. I didn't think it added much but the wife liked it.
    Here's something that's really a "pickem". The door entry guard in stainless steel with the illuminated "TURBO" logo was extolled as great bang for the buck for "WOW" factor. Second salesman said it's only noticeable at night and not worth it. Does anyone have this option? Would you order it again?
    That's about it, friends. I did not opt for the really astronomically priced options. You can spend 40 grand on upgrades that really do not make a big impact, I only have a week to finalize the order so your help is much appreciated.
    Thanks for your indulgence
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I'll take a shot at a couple of your options, but before I do, I'll add my opinion that Porsche will NOT substantially increase the price of the Turbo for 2008, DSG or not. I have been called by my dealer asking if I would like to upgrade (I have a C2S Cab) Turns out that the demand here in the DC/Baltimore area is strong, but not way above demand. And, from what my dealer and friend who is a lobbyist for Porsche both tell me, the company is tring to increase profitability through increased US volume, not by raising prices the way they did in the 90's. According to the Kelly Blue Book, a 1997 911 Turbo S carried an MSRP of $150k. :surprise: Makes $140k in 2007 look like a bargain.

    On a couple of your options questions:

    - CD changer seems like a no-brainer, if you listen to CD's. If not, then save the money. Get XM, now that it's available.

    - Bluetooth headset is not a substitute for hard-wired hands free phone, IMO. Unfortunately, I don't have it in my 911, but do in our Acura's. I tried the Motorola earpiece headset and hated it. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but it seemed more distracting than holding a handset to my ear when driving. If the Porsche hands free system allows you to voice dial similar to the standard Acura system, I'd get it. Even if you have to use the dash keypad, I'd rather be speaking through the cars speaker system than wear the earpiece microphone like a secretary.

    - Red seatbelts. Sorry, too funky for me. I'm not a fan of those kind of options. When I was considering selling/trading my Seal Grey for a Speed Yellow this spring, I was offered a great deal on a Speed Yellow that a dealer ordered with Yellow seat belts, instrument dials, center console, etc. Made me sick to my stomach. Kept Seal Grey.

    - Black exterior. Been there, done that. Very Happy with metallic Seal Grey. Would get the Turbo in Meteor Grey. Like the slightly darker look, but flat black would drive me nuts tring to keep clean, fixing chips and avoidign swirl marks. You did say you were going to drive the wheels off the car for 10 years , correct? That wear and tear will show a lot more in falt Black than any other color.

    - Embossed head rests. I have them and they look nice in a Cab with the top down, but I wouldn't get them in a coupe.

    All my opinions, obviously.
  • You seem to have an "in" and I was wondering if you could possibly get an educated idea of when the DSM will be available including any waiting time. Traveling to Germany to cut time is a possibility but that would be an extra 4 grand (tourist delivery) on top of any other additional expense.

    On a couple of your options questions:

    - CD changer seems like a no-brainer, if you listen to CD's. If not, then save the money. Get XM, now that it's available.

    Okay.....

    - Bluetooth headset is not a substitute for hard-wired hands free phone, IMO. Unfortunately, I don't have it in my 911, but do in our Acura's. I tried the Motorola earpiece headset and hated it. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but it seemed more distracting than holding a handset to my ear when driving. If the Porsche hands free system allows you to voice dial similar to the standard Acura system, I'd get it. Even if you have to use the dash keypad, I'd rather be speaking through the cars speaker system than wear the earpiece microphone like a secretary. >>

    The salesman says the engine noise makes the driver hard to hear. That is why he recommended blue tooth. He says you can hear them but they have problems hearing you because the microphone picks up the engine growl. I think I may need another alternative.

    - Red seatbelts. Sorry, too funky for me. I'm not a fan of those kind of options. When I was considering selling/trading my Seal Grey for a Speed Yellow this spring, I was offered a great deal on a Speed Yellow that a dealer ordered with Yellow seat belts, instrument dials, center console, etc. Made me sick to my stomach. Kept Seal Grey. >>

    You dislike loud colors. I don't like them either. Red belts are 86ed.

    - Black exterior. Been there, done that. Very Happy with metallic Seal Grey. Would get the Turbo in Meteor Grey. Like the slightly darker look, but flat black would drive me nuts tring to keep clean, fixing chips and avoiding swirl marks. You did say you were going to drive the wheels off the car for 10 years , correct? That wear and tear will show a lot more in falt Black than any other color. >>

    I realize that taking care of a black care requires some anality that I am not sure I possess.

    - Embossed head rests. I have them and they look nice in a Cab with the top down, but I wouldn't get them in a coupe.

    Okay, I think you have something there. The embossed seats are out.

    All my opinions, obviously.

    Obviously.
    If you can get any ideas on availability timeframe for that new DSG, please enlighten me or send me the leads so I can do the research. I do believe that summer is about as long as I want to wait. Summer is the time I like to be out on the road.
    Thanks for your imput. I very much appreciate your taking the time.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Here is my 0.2

    Color - Triple Black looks mean but you really need to take good care of it. Why not guard red or Speed Yellow? By the way, I don't think California duster is a good idea, it leaves some wax residue on your paint.

    666 options - if you do want it, all you have to do is to buy an extra simcard from your provider and keep it in your car.

    CD changer - the head unit can play both MP3 and WMA so why bother with a changer (btw it cannot play MP3 nor WMA)

    Red seatbelts - I think it looks good with black exterior and interior...just don't wear anything green. I actually wanted Speed Yellow seatbelts but my wife told me not to because of her color crashing theory.

    Embossed Prosche Creast on heardrest - It is very hard to see in a coupe, would make more sense in a cab.

    I like the Turbo logo on lid and the illuminated logo sills options.
  • ifpskenifpsken Posts: 39
    To: Amerikanisch

    My comments differ slightly....

    CD Option - I like it, especially the one disc player in the dash. I load the cartridge with favorites that I will listen to for awhile and leave the single dash-player empty for other options. XM is NOT available for me and I cannot have parts dept add the XM option. Can you order a 997TT with the sat radio? I just called parts and was told I do not have any options to add Sat radio unless I go to aftermarket.

    Phone - Mine came with the phone option but I have Verizon and it is not compatible with the TTs system. I would have to change carriers to use this option. I have the Bluetooth in my Lexus LS430 and prefer not to use it. I receive complaints from the other end of the line so I often use the Bluetooth headset from Plantronics. It works much better than the Motorola headset. I have tried Motorola, Jabra and Plantronics and favor the Plantronics. It works fine in the Porsche (no complaints from whom I am speaking to unless the air conditioner vent is pointed at my face). Therefore I disagree with Habitat, I think it is an Xlnt alternative to the phone option.

    Red Seatbelts - I agree, I don't think it reflects class.

    Black Exterior - Also, been there, done that. Mine is Slate Grey, have owned it two months, have 1100 miles on it and it still has not seen a hose. I clayed it two days after taking possesion and I wipe it down once a week with a wet micro fibre cloth and dry it with a turkish towel. (no streaks or residue left using the towel as the final drying). Have you ever owned a black car? Spend time (a lot of time) and it will look great, after a few years you will not spend the same amount of time on it.

    Mine has the the embossed head rests, stainless door sill w/turbo illuminated and I would do it again. The Turbo lit up does look nice.

    You have not mentioned the Adaptive Seats, they are great! Comfortable, fully adjustable, but an expensive option.

    This saturday, Nov 4, the Orange County Porsche club meets at Mikes in Santa Ana, on 1st street, for breakfast at 8am. I will be there (my first visit with Porsche OC) unless it rains... drop by, introduce yourself, and look at my options. You will be able to make a better decision as to what you really would like and what you don't need.
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    1.) Black is a beautiful and sexy color for a P-car, one of the nicest. Also, one of the very worst to keep looking good and EVERY ONE I've seen shows those nasty swirls in the paint that just seem to happen. LIke habitat1, I have Seal Grey and the worst that happens when it needs a bath is it loses a bit of its luster. I'd also recommend you at least take a look at Meteor Grey.
    2.) If you can burn MP3 CDs, you honestly don't need the CD changer. If you don't know how to do this, pay any 8 year old to make/burn them for you from your CD collection. Not trying to be a wise guy, they just know how to do this.
    3.) I guess if you get the red seat belts you can rent the TT out to a pimp on the weekends. Sorry, couldn't resist.
    That said, my 911 goes to the dealer for its first oil & filter change in the morning, will have had her almost 1 year. That's a year of (mostly) smiles.
  • I was hoping to have ordered a 911 C2 in the August-October timeframe, but decided to push out the date due to a few factors. Anyway, I think I pretty much know what I'm going to order:

    A 911 C2 with the following options:
    1) Arctic silver paint / black interior
    2) Xenon headlights
    3) Sport Chrono package

    That's it! Trying to keep the cost as low as possible. I'm REALLY trying to keep the cost to $80k out the door. I live in CA/Bay Area (so figure 10% on top of the car & options for tax and lic). That's puts me at around $82.5k

    I'm hoping to place the order around the dec-feb timeframe. When the time comes, I'm planning on emailing and or calling a bunch of dealers to see who will give me the best discount. I'll do a check of inventory on their websites as well just in case they have something lightly optioned that's close to what I'm looking for. Obviously they'll give me a better deal than ordering.

    So my question: do you think it's realistic to expect a dealer to give me at least a $2.5k discount on such a lightly optioned car if I do end up ordering it?

    Also, I'm still confused as to what "partial leather seats" means? Does that mean the seat/back portions of the seat are leather and the sides/back are leatherette?

    habitat1: I think I read sometime ago that you ordered your car from AZ? I checked the Scottsdale dealer's website and they had a ton of 911 C2's in stock....more than any other dealer I've checked. Care to throw out a wild guess on what that dealer might offer me as a discount for the car I've spec'd above?

    Thanks in advance for any and all info.
  • Thanks for all of your helpful suggestions. I DO very much appreciate the help of you P -aficionados.
    No, I have never had a black car but I have always admired them from afar. There is something about a handsome, glossy black car with chrome accents that really gets my adrenalin pumping. I think the combination is simply unbeatable.
    Thank you for the invitation to the Orange County Porsche Club. If I am up early, I will try to show up in Santa Ana for breakfast. Santa Ana is a little drive as I live in the south Orange County coastal area. Do you suppose it would be possible to E mail a pic of that illuminating door sill to me?
    Sport seats are pretty much out. I'm over 50 and I have not been to the gym lately. Getting out of that low car is hard enough with the regular seats so I think I'll save the difference and not have to squeeze past the extended bolsters of the sport seats.
    I was thinking (a dangerous practice). Since that new DSM tranny will be out within 2 years for sure, what do you guys think about my doing a lease instead of a purchase? After 2 years I simply turn in this car and buy the new Turbo with the new tranny. If you guys are right and the prices are not stratospheric, that might be the best move. I have always owned and never leased but this is a may be the best way for me to go. What do you think?
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    1. Not sure if you value trunk space but the CD changer does take up some space from the small trunk. If you can burn MP3 disks, the single CD player is good enough. Personally, I went Nav-TV iPod kit, even though it's a little buggy.

    2. I'm the color blind one who noticed the pink hue in the GT silver. I went artic which is zero maintenance and goes well with the aluminum multi-function steering wheel. I like the contrast between the black interior and silver exterior. The aluminum multi-funciton wheel is also slightly thicker than the normal multi-function steering wheel so you should check it out.

    3. I ordered the phone option and would do it again. Put in an extra SIM card from the GSM provider. I normally use CDMA too so have to call forward. Call forwarding is a little annoying but I like the integrated look.

    4. They also say natural leather is quite nice, haven't seen it so no comment.

    5. Stayed away from those color seatbelts, only cosmetic option is the headrest crest. Rear console in leather can be nice.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "habitat1: I think I read sometime ago that you ordered your car from AZ? I checked the Scottsdale dealer's website and they had a ton of 911 C2's in stock...."

    Actually, I bought my (in stock) Seal Grey C2S Cab from Hunt Valley Porsche in Baltimore. I had ordered the Speed Yellow from them as well. I did have a guy from Scottsdale that was interested in my Seal Grey, but then I decided not to sell.

    Regarding the price, you should be able to do substantially better than $2.5k off. I would guess at least $5k off. Less markup on a low option base 911, but still enough to get you more than $2,500 off.

    Seats: I have the $1,520 black (all) leather seats. And the $1,550 power/memory seats/mirrors option. ($3,070 total) I wouldn't order all leather seats if you are trying to save money. The partial leather seats (vinyl inserts) look quite good and you have to pay close attention to see the difference, especially in black. The rear jump seats are vinyl/leatherette vs. leather but again, hard to tell. If you were inclined to get leather and power/memory, I'd go for the adaptive, which are both, plus the side bolster adjustment, for only a little more. But if you are the only driver and you want to save money, go with the standard partial leather non-memory seats.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I don't have any reliable information on when the DSG transmission will be available for the 997TT or other models.

    In my opinion, leasing a new 997 Turbo Tip for a couple of years so that you can buy a 997 Turbo DSG in 2008 would probably not be prudent. I have to believe that 2 years of lease payments on a Turbo would run you $40,000+. And, from what I understand, you are perfectly happy with the Tiptronic. I think the DSG will appeal more to those who don't like the "automatic" Tiptronic and would rather have a "manual" DSG that allows for more complete control, faster downshifts, etc. But I would still personally prefer a traditional 6-speed 3-pedal manual. So if you are content with the Tip and plan on keeping the car for 10 years, I think you should go for it. Worst possible case you decide to sell in 3 years and take a little more hit in resale. But it sure as heck won't be $40k more.
  • 1. Not sure if you value trunk space but the CD changer does take up some space from the small trunk. If you can burn MP3 disks, the single CD player is good enough. Personally, I went Nav-TV iPod kit, even though it's a little buggy. >>

    "Burning" is a skill I have not acquired. M3 disk? Not sure what this is.

    2. I'm the color blind one who noticed the pink hue in the GT silver. I went artic which is zero maintenance and goes well with the aluminum multi-function steering wheel. I like the contrast between the black interior and silver exterior. The aluminum multi-funciton wheel is also slightly thicker than the normal multi-function steering wheel so you should check it out.

    You have sharp eyes. I never would have noticed the lavender/ pink hue if my wife had not pointed it out. I wonder how many macho guys do not know they are driving a lavender car? LOL.

    3. I ordered the phone option and would do it again. Put in an extra SIM card from the GSM provider. I normally use CDMA too so have to call forward. Call forwarding is a little annoying but I like the integrated look.

    Can the people you talk to hear you easily over the engine growl? That is supposed to be the problem with the Porsche car microphone. If you do not take many calls in your car, it might be okay. I conduct business calls from my car so for me, this is important.

    4. They also say natural leather is quite nice, haven't seen it so no comment. >>

    Natural gray looks even darker than stock black, but it is also an option upgrade costing $1510. Not worth it, in my estimation.

    5. Stayed away from those color seatbelts, only cosmetic option is the headrest crest. Rear console in leather can be nice. >>

    If I did the color seatbelts, it would be in silver to coordinate with the aluminum accents in the stock car but $500 plus seems an outrageous price for this touch. If I lease, I certainly would not consider this.

    We have opted for the leather and embossed logo console lid for less than $300. The leather upgrade for the front of the console is about $1200. It would be a nice luxury touch but this seems outrageously high. $500 would be plenty. Another possibility- to contrast with the black seats, I was thinking of making the front of the console aluminum -look but even that is $730. Clearly a rip-off but if it didn't look cheap, it would make a nice contrast to the black all around it. Does anyone have this aluminum look console? Does it look tinny or does it look good?
  • I don't have any reliable information on when the DSG transmission will be available for the 997TT or other models.

    In my opinion, leasing a new 997 Turbo Tip for a couple of years so that you can buy a 997 Turbo DSG in 2008 would probably not be prudent. I have to believe that 2 years of lease payments on a Turbo would run you $40,000+. And, from what I understand, you are perfectly happy with the Tiptronic. I think the DSG will appeal more to those who don't like the "automatic" Tiptronic and would rather have a "manual" DSG that allows for more complete control, faster downshifts, etc. But I would still personally prefer a traditional 6-speed 3-pedal manual. So if you are content with the Tip and plan on keeping the car for 10 years, I think you should go for it. Worst possible case you decide to sell in 3 years and take a little more hit in resale. But it sure as heck won't be $40k more. >>

    The car without tax or license is going to run a bit over $131,000- with tax and license, a bit over $144,000. So you are saying I can drive this car for three years and sell it for more than $91,000 (before T/L) or more than $104,000? How much of a depresiation hit do you think I would take once the new DSM comes out? I think if they raised the price significantly for the new tranny, it would not hurt my resale much. None of you seem to think that will happen, therefore, I can only conclude that the new technology will hurt my resale price somewhat. I would really appreciate a good estimate of what I could sell a car in good condition in ten years for after considering the options available to the buyer. Can anyone help?

    If I was going to be the only driver, I would probably opt for the manual tranny, but my wife is the one who wanted the P- car in the first place. We test drove the Carrera S 4 and my wife really liked it. She liked it better than the Mercedes SL 600 we test drove. Personally, when I am paying $95,000 for a Porsche, I expect a little zip and the acceleration on the Carrera was nothing special. It was 355 HP if I remember correctly. Anyway, I decided to get the Mercedes but I noticed that the SL600 models take a big hit of depreciation after two years and a friend of mine bought an '03 SL 500 just like new with 5,000 miles on it for only $61,000. So, I thought, why not let someone else take the depreciation? I can pick up a low mileage SL600 in mint condition in the low 90s when the it cost about $145,000 new two years before.Sounded like a plan. Well, I was going to buy my wife a rolex for Christmas and she said "forget the rolex. I'd rather have a Porshe." Fine, I thought, but the Carerra did not impress me that much so I picked up a Road and Track magazine and found the new turbo with 480 hp. I thought it would make us both happy. She gets her Porche and I get the performance. I figure I have worked hard for 30 years- saving, investing and doing without- I was driving a VW bug in high school and college and saving my money when my friends were driving Z 28s and Corvettes. They used to kid me about my economy ride. Today I could buy and sell all of them together ten times over- no brag, just fact.
    The whole idea was to sacrifice when I was young so I could have a nice house and nice toys later on. I do not regret my frugal years but I'm middle aged now and not getting any younger. Now, I figure is the time because as they say, "You can't take it with you". That being said, I still like to get value for my dollar. Some things never change.
  • I would really appreciate a good estimate of what I could sell a car in good condition in ten years for after considering the options available to the buyer. Can anyone help?

    SORRY, I MEANT to say:
    I would greatly appreciate an educated estimate of what the 2007 turbo with tip tranny will be worth in 2010 ( in THREE years, not ten). Cost today with T/L- about $144,000.
  • Your lease thought is not valid. If you lease a TT for 2 years you will pay a higher payment as opposed to a longer lease, is the higher payment acceptable? What if in two years the DSG trans is not yet available, your lease term would be ending. If you select a longer term lease, you cannot simply turn the car in, if it is worth less than the residual value you will have to come up with the difference. If it is worth more than the residual value you would be giving away the difference unless you buy it out of the lease and resell it.

    The benefit of leasing is, in my opinion, twofold, if it can be considered a business car you will be able to write-off more than a purchase, secondly if the car is not worth the residual value at lease end you are NOT at risk. The leasing company takes the loss.

    Accept the fact, this is a toy Not an investment. Expect to lose a bunch on it. I would rather waste money on my toy as opposed to the $1,000+ bottles of wine (they only last few minutes).
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