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  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107

    I often read posts which ask what they should expect to pay for a new or used 997. My take on this is that obviously you should do your homework and get what you feel is a good , fair and reasonable price with the understanding that " Buyer beware " is a practical issue to keep in your forebrain. The often missed issue is this: you are also buying history, racing experience, and ownership in the best built sportscar for the money in the world. Does the Corvette offer you history?? Given, the Porsche is a more expensive car, but check out the interior on the new Corvettes... no comparison, I wouldn't shell out $65,000 for a car that comes with blems on the leather and scuffs on the plastic.. My car was delivered in PERFECT condition.. not a single scratch or knick. I will never drive my 997 170 mph, but knowing I can is enough. Every time I turn that ignition key I get a smile on my face....I could care less about the depreciation... I'm keeping this car for a long time. It's comforting to know that a Porsche family member had input into the design of my car, not a board of 100 designers in Detroit who are employees rather than owners. The next time you question whether a Porsche 997 is the car for you, go take a really close look at the lines, design and build quality of the roof on a 997 coupe, flip those little built-in clips for the roof rack and see what you think. Porsche put more thought into those aerodynamic little gizmos than Chevy put into the entire interior on the Corvette... With a Porsche you are investing in a part of the dream that is Porsche..
    I've been dreaming that dream since I was 18..ya, the last 40 years
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Chromedome, you and I are of the same generation. I knew a guy back in the 1st Cav with the same nickname. When he was in Pleiku he would tell the girls who worked in the "laundry" to call him Chromedome. Any connection?
  • markgc4smarkgc4s Posts: 23
    Oil change ran me about $200. Car running great! Noise gone, hope that it was a one timer thing.
  • spechtbachspechtbach Posts: 16
    I have a 2007 C2 and love the car but I would not be so critical of the Corvette. I think the car has wonderful engineering.I purchased a 911 but the Corvette is very close.Have you driven a Corvette?
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    i've driven a corvette C6 Z06 and was VERY impressed with the factory power output but that was about it. It's a great bang for the buck but its still got cheap looking plastic parts inside that resort back to its GM heritage.

    But to each their own.....there are some kids who grow up dreaming of a 911 and some that grow up dreaming of a vette. You'll never be able to change their dreams for better or worse so let 'em be ;)
  • ringleader6ringleader6 Posts: 43
    Really, I did not know there were any colors other than silver or black. Seriously though, I had a GT Silver 06 and just purchased a Black 07 although thought about white for a few seconds, to be different. Still think the Silver is the best looking car day in and day out. Black is so difficult. I think most Porsche buyers realize the popularity of the basic colors on a resale demand and I believe most Porsche owners tend to be relatively conservative people anyway. The price of the vehicle tends to limit the market to more conservative people.
  • thesnausagethesnausage Posts: 10
    I was considering adding the K&N air filter to my 2004 911 Carrera. The price is a bit steep ($291.95) with a posted 23 horsepower gains. Has anyone installed this and if so, have you dyno'd your car before and after. Did you notice a performance difference.

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Where in the heck are you getting your information?

    According to the K&N web site, the air filter for a 2004 911 runs $81, not $292. And the estimated increase in horsepower is 1 to 4 horsepower, not 23. I have heard positive things regarding K&N air filters, but wherever you are getting your information from is way off.

    The increase in going from a 997 to a 997S (3.6 liter to 3.8 liter) is "only" 30 horsepower, and that effectively costs about $6,000. Do you honestly think you could get 75% of that benefit from a $90 air filter? If so, I have some "wet" real estate to sell you. ;)

    K&N Homepage
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,637
    No way I'd put that on a 2004 911. Porsche engineers do not leave much HP on the table and I doubt you'd gain anything whatsoever except more noise and more maintenance to do. Drop in "special" filters without modification of intake and exhaust is a waste of money and potentially troublesome IMO.
  • thesnausagethesnausage Posts: 10

    K&N Intake System

    by K&N


    CARB Certification Pending Add 23hp to your 1999-’04 996 Porsche® With K&N’s® Aircharger Intake Kit
    It’s hard to believe that the Porsche® O.E. intake system is as restrictive as it is, but repeated dyno tests on several 996s have shown that the K&N Aircharger adds 23 horsepower. And the best news is that it uses the O.E. mass-air sensor and requires no custom programming. The installation is simple too – just remove the factory intake and replace it with the K&N Aircharger that fits in the same location. Made out of advanced composites, the HDPE intake tube provides a direct, unrestricted path to your engine for maximum airflow. The K&N high-flow air filter is a 360-degree conical design with carbon fiber lid that provides plenty of clean, cool air. Hot under-hood air is isolated from the filter by black powder-coated sheet metal baffles that incorporate the factory cold air duct. You can plan on the K&N Aircharger performing like new for years to come with its million-mile washable and re-useable air filter, and quality kit components like silicone connecting hoses. Finally, power you can feel from an intake kit! For normally aspirated 996 only and will not fit GT3.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,637
    Well that's advertising for you. I'd love to test it on my friend's dyno under close supervision. We did that to a similar system on an Audi and actually lost horsepower on one pull. Best result was about 2 HP which was statistically irrelevant. That was enough for me.

    Problem with dyno testing is that you can dial in any horsepower reading you want to see. Dynos are so easily to fudge. Here's how:
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    also - the ad you refer to is talking about replacing the intake "system", not just an air filter. i'm a pretty active enthusiast with plenty of mods on my porsches and have yet to hear of anybody owning up to utilizing this K&N air intake system. Who knows - maybe you could be the first? ;)

    Also, be weary of using the K&N air filter. Some have had great success, others...not. Problem is that the K&N has some oils in the filter(not uncommon) to help collect particles and prevent "drying out" which is theoretically good but Porsche's MAFs are very sensitive to any much so that oil residue from these K&N filters have led to mucking up the MAF and causing the car to go into limp mode. Some have intentionally dried out their K&Ns by letting them sit but then the filter loses part of its function and particles get through which again, mucj up the MAF

    The notion of being less restrictive, and increasing air flow is great EXCEPT for Porsche's MAF system. Thus many have chosen alternate routes in order to tack on extra HPs. The most popular and succesful ways have been so far with less restrictive cats and new mufflers ($2500-5,000+) and/or reprogramming the DME (flashing) which will run about $2000. These two methods have the most pronounced effect with turbo cars. It's difficult to do much with NA cars.

    Good luck and enjoy the modding....there is plenty more to do but this is just a start
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    At least that clarifies your previous post - it's the air intake system you are referring to, not the air filter.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,637
    Also, don't confuse "CARB pending" with CARB approved. CARB pending means they submitted an application.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    You appear knowledgeable on the subject, so if I might ask a question.

    I have a 2005 C2S with the "Sport Chrono" and "Porsche Sport Exhaust" options. Neither of which are officially credited with any increase in power. But, when activated together, they sure seem to make the car feel quicker. In addition, the Sport Exhaust is, I believe, the same one that is included in the X51 package that does officially add 25+ horsepower.

    Do you think that either the Sport Chrono or Sport Exhaust add to the standard Carrera S output?

    At one point I had considered selling my 2005 and getting a 2007 in a different color. I would have ordered the sport chrono for $920, but may have foregone the sport exhaust for $2,400. Would I have noticed a difference in the performance?
  • tgenoyertgenoyer Posts: 4
    does anyone have any experience with the smartTOP-997 roof control unit?
  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    all the sport mode does is just make the throttle repsonse quicker - doesn't increase the power at all. the sport exhaust doesn't add any power either, well maybe 1-2 HP by being barely less restrictive. of course there is an increase in the sound that makes you feel more robust and powerful but in the end it does not change any performance numbers unfortunately
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,637
    Well said.

    Something everyone should keep in mind, especially with any high performance car like a Porsche:

    From the air cleaner on one end, through the engine, and to the exhaust tips on the other end--- is basically one long tube...and if you don't address the entire length of the tube, then what you do on just one end or just the other end, isn't going to amount to very much in isolation of the entire system.

    So, more air needs more induction needs more fuel needs more cylinder breathing, needs more compression needs more fuel charge cooling needs more exhaust needs more $$$!!

    Mr. S
    visiting Host
  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107

    No , sir, I am not that individual. I have been fortunate that the present style allows me to complete shave my head, baldness hidden! At 57 years old and 35 years of marrage, I am totally at easy with myself . All I can say is that at this time in my life I am completely enjoying myself and the Porsche is a big part of that..

    Good luck and enjoy your car

  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107

    I have been in a few Corvettes and have driven my brothers' 2006. The angle at which you sit is a problem for me, the materials are common to Chevrolet. ( I own a 2007 Silverado, Crew Cab, so I like Chevys ) For the buck , I do not enjoy the conotation (sp ? ) of being one who wears silk shirts, gold chains , fake chest hair and spandex pants. Barbie dolls with blond hair sticking outside the windows smoking Camels is not my idea of a cool car. Okay HP!! Lots of it, but I don't want to spin the tires. With a Porsche you buy exceptional build quaility, materials and history. I will stick with that and leave my retired military brother to the Corvette.

    Oh well....
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