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Porsche 911



  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I respect your first hand experience, but your two estimates of fair value don't seem to reconcile with each other:

    C2 base coupe, 39,000 miles $55k.
    C2 "S" Cab, 22,000 miles $62k +/-.

    In my market, the "S" alone is worth at least $5-7k in the used market Not sure about the cab vs. coupe since it is somewhat seasonal, but the list price is $10k more for the Cab. And, although 911's are not Ferrari 430's where extra miles on the odometer cost you about $2 each, the extra 17k mileage has to have some impact on resale ($5-7k?). Collectively, it looks to me like these total a $15k difference, not $7-8K+/-.

    If my math is correct, then either the "low 60's" for a C2S Cab w/22k miles is the right number and the C2 coupe should be high $40's, or the $55k number for the C2 base coupe is right and the C2S Cab should be high 60's/$70k. That doesn't take into consideration the effect of a tiptronic vs. 6-speed transmission which, although a $3,400 option, my dealer insists is a detraction when it comes to resale. Especially now that the new double clutch DSG is out.

    Feel free to tell me where my math/rationale is off - it certainly wouldn't be the first time.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Posts: 2,039
    I think I read too fast. I didn't see the Cab part. I was evaluating yours based on a C2S. The price would move into the high $60k's with a Cab. That's based on what I've been seeing coming through here.
  • buylowbuylow Posts: 41
    Ahaw, I had my heart set on a targa. This may be an academic discussion since my wife thinks the targas are soo darn cute, but what are the problems with the targa-higher maintenance and water leakage? Anything that can't be fixed? Since I have a coup, I thought mixing it up might be interesting unless it will become a headache.

    I checked Craig's list, but didn't find much. Ebaymotors was better. I'll check the auto trader, as mentioned. I'm going for the "87-89's, but if a good SC comes along first, I'll go for it. Going to try to keep it under $20,000.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    I never had a leak with my Targa...

    But, the rear seal deteriorates... This is the rubber seal that is mounted to the car, not the top.... It is one long seal that starts at the top of the door and goes up, across the targa bar and back down to the top of the other door... The windows and the back of the targa top seal against it.. Getting an installer that knows what they are doing is half the battle, but a replacement job can run $700-$800..

    The, you have the targa skin and headliner... Both of these wear out and have to be replaced... the frame is usually good forever.. Figure another $600+ for the skin/headliner.

    I had a targa.... loved it.. Always said I'd get a sunroof coupe, if I ever did it again..

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Targas squeak and leak, and they compromise body integrity. So you can't easily vintage-race them.

    But if you re-seal them carefully, and lube up the seals, they can be tolerable. I wouldn't pay extra for one over a sunroof coupe, by no means.


  • asi12asi12 Posts: 46
    What are the most popular colors for Porsche 911 esp. which keeps its resale value?

    Black, white, red and yellow are standard colors if someone is ordering new. I have seen, both new and used Porsche, black is the most abundant color followed by silver and gray. Is there any particular reason for that? Some colors like Gold metallic and green can be difficult to sell if one needs to later on?

    What is the market for red, blue and yellow colors? I know one buy it for his/her own enjoyment but lets say if someone does not have any preference for a particular color. Any opinion on that?
  • Found what I wanted on Craig's list - an '87 911 Targa, guards red, with 118,000 miles, and it's in mint condition with records for the last six years. I was suspicious at first because the interior and exterior are in such good condition, but my Porsche mechanic did a three hour plus, inspection and said he would buy it if I didn't. The inspection, by the way, was $350 plus tax, but well worth it. It needs a tune up, oil change, a/c charge, and a few other things to the tune of about $1200 which is going to be done this Tuesday. More importantly, the inspection confirmed that it's all original, never been in an accident, most of the paint is original and the engine is in good condition. I paid $17,000 plus the $1200 in repairs. Owner was asking $18,900. I'm sure I could have gotten it cheaper, but I got too excited. Saw it the second day it came out and was afraid he would be getting a lot of calls. I also noticed that these older Porsches seem to sell for more in California than other places.

    Yours right, the G50 transmission and clutch is a lot more civilized than the SC's, but because of the extra weight, not as peppy as the SC with the 3.0 engine vs.the 3.2 in the '87. I would think the '84 to '86 911's would be the fastest with the 3.2 engine, but without the extra weight of the G50 trans. Can you confirm this? The auto trader was another good place to look. Thanks to all for the info.

    By the way, I just got back from Birmingham, Alabama, for the two day Porsche high performance driving school. This school is owned by Porsche and is worth every penny. They use the Barbara Motorsports track which, by the way, is no relation to Skip Barbara. All new 911 and 911s. Track is 2.4 miles with 14 turns and a 350 foot elevation difference. Went off road in the cayennes too, and got to take a hot lap in a GT3. A first class operation.

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    There is a lot of speculation about color and resale value. I have a 2005 911S Cab in Seal Grey that I bought off the lot in Spetember, 2005 at a great deal ($10k off). My preference at that time would have been Speed Yellow and, in fact, the next spring I ordered a 2006 through the dealer that I then decided not to take when a deal to sell my 2005 fell through. The dealer kept the Speed Yellow on their lot for about 6-8 weeks, longer than most other colors at the time, but then it sold for near MSRP (vs. the $8k off I had negotiated) to someone that had it shipped to Arizona. There were only about 3-5 new Speed Yellow 911S Cabs in the country at the time, vs. probably hundreds of gray, silver or black ones.

    IMO, my seal gray will be easier to sell than speed yellow, but on the other hand, I won't get much value for some of the $13k in options on the car. The biggest color danger is in the interior cusomization. Before I ordered that Speed Yellow, I saw one that had gone overboard with yellow guages, yellow seat stitching, yellow seat belts, yellow center console. You needed sunglasses driving at night. I've seen some other interior color combos that only the original bipolar owner could love. But short of those, I think you can be pretty safe going with almost any exterior color and keeping the option list under control.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Sounds good! Yeah, price is market correct but miles are great and condition sounds terrific. Congrats! I've seen old Porsches with well over 300,000 on them. (just saw one the other day, original owner). Try THAT with a Corvette or Ferrari. Not gonna happen.

    My impression last time I drove one was that the SC is kinda doggy compared to later cars.

    As for the AC, if you don't need it I'd consider removing the compressor and putting it in a box. It really gets in the way of everything.


  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    The Barber track is literally right down the road from me - about 5 miles. That would be Barber, as in George Barber, a dairy guy.

    It looks like I'll be picking up my '86 Carerra on Friday. It doesn't sound quite as nice as your car, but I am still really excited.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Just remember you guys, to bring your babies to Hans and Dieter every Spring and every Fall for their service and checkups. Do that and the cars will run forever. If you put $100/$125 a month into routine maintenance you are way ahead in the long run.

    And never let some monkey touch your car. I've seen quite a few botched up Porsches done by people who didn't know what they were doing, and it wasn't pretty.


  • asi12asi12 Posts: 46
    Thanks Habitat.
    Any suggestions what are good interior color combination with mid night blue or red exterior colors?

    I have seen used convertibles few weeks ago and there were few and now inventory is increasing as fall and winter is approaching. Can one expect 10K discount on convertibles from now and then in north east in January when there is 1 foot of snow fall? By the way I think, economy is still very soft so I don't see any rush to buy right now.

    Lets say if someone is buying a brand new Porsche 911, standard warranty is 4 years what is the maximum extended warranty one can get? Is it like 8 years/100K miles or even one can go longer than that? Is there any difference in terms of maximum extended warranty on new vs certified/used Porsche?

    In general who is the provider of extended warranty, Porsche or third party? Is it bumper to bumper warranty or depends?

    Is there any difference for the extended warranty purchased at the time of initial purchase or with used pre-owned certified Porsche? Is this extended warranty is transferable to new owner if you decide to sell it later on?

    Sorry for lots of questions.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Posts: 2,039
    Can one expect 10K discount on convertibles from now and then in north east in January when there is 1 foot of snow fall?

    Convertible discounts? Much better chance of that during the winter for sure. The only problem may be supply. I don't know about all the other dealers, but our dealership is huge and we have only about 7 left.

    Warranty - Standard warranty is 4 yrs / 50,000 miles. Porsche recently came out with a new program where the certified warranty is IDENTICAL to the new. That pushes your warranty out to 6 yrs or 100,000 miles from the in date service. Cost is $1,990. Phenomenal warranty program. There are other programs in place, but the cost of them is quite high. I'm not sure the furthest that you can go out, but my educated guess is probably 8 years or 100,000.

    Porsche is the backer for all the warranties that we sell at our dealership. It is bumper to bumper.

    Is there any difference for the extended warranty purchased at the time of initial purchase or with use pre-owned certified Porsche?

    I would call your local Porsche dealer and talk with the finance manager. He would probably run you a quote on both and tell you all the differences. In short, yes they are different.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Moo answered most of your questions better than I could have. As for interior colors, mine is black and that, IMO, is safe and looks good with any exterior. I've seen a few red, green and white exteriors with tan interiors, some look good, some not so good. There was also a "stone grey", with a matching top, at the same time I bought mine. That looked pretty good, but I'd suggest you see anything other than black in person before making your own decision.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Posts: 2,039
    The only addition I would add on is that the Grey interior is a tough sell and the grey top is virtually unsellable. I would stay away from those combinations as best as you can.
  • asi12asi12 Posts: 46
    Thanks habitat1 and madmanmoo

    How does sand beige interior (seats and dash board) with red and blue exterior. I have seen in the pictures which looks ok. I think beige works well with black exterior but I need to see in person.

    Does top color same as exterior hurt its value? Like blue top on blue exterior and sand beige interior?

    From your post I gathered your Porsche is rear wheel drive. Do you drive in winter or on icy roads? I heard most rear wheel drive cars like BMW are not good to drive in these conditions. How is your experience?
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Posts: 2,039
    Sand interior will be fine with the colors that you mentioned.

    Top color definitely can hurt value. Gray top never works. Blue top rarely. Brown top extremely rarely. Black top = Good.

    Asi, all our sports cars are rear wheel drive.

    Good luck.
  • asi12asi12 Posts: 46
    Thanks Moo,

    What does C4 and C4S refer to? I thought it is 4WD/AWD?
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Correct, the "4" denotes AWD.

    However, regarding "icy" roads, forget a 911 period, unless you also want to buy an extra set of rims and snow tires. The high performance tires that come standard on a 911 are NOT good in snow and ice, even with the AWD versions.
  • I just purchased a 1998 Porsche 928S-4 1,200 miles away from my home. It seemed to drive home okay, but in neutral it will not rev above 3,000 rpm. After that, the engine just bogs and misses. Now, it won't hardly idle. The timing belt was changed 8,000 miles ago. Help. Thanks for any advice.
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