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Volkswagen TDI Models Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • oli1oli1 Posts: 33
    Does this mean that if you do a "courtesy delivery" and you live in another state, you wouldn't have to pay shipping costs?
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "Otherwise I'll pocket $7,000 and get a Hyundai Elantra Touring"

    With that extra $7,000 you will also get a better warranty, a vehicle with a terrific reliability reputation, and no need to scrounge for service stations with ULSD diesel pumps.

    There are some trade offs of course and I'm sure VW fanboys will be glad to point them out.

    In our area a JettaTDI wagon is over $33.000 before taxes. A loaded Elantra Touring is $10,000 less.

    Personally I think they are all too much money, as the last round of car company discounts seems to show that dealer "invoice" is a joke and more like what MSRP should be, for starters.

    Don't get me started on the Stealerships that are tacking on another $2,000 over MSRP just because they can...see the extra "$2,000 side stickers" at the Great Falls Montana VW dealer.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,923
    oli1, i do not recall any additional charge but it was long ago...
    things may have changed and my knowledge about courtesy-deliveries is probably old/stale - maybe they are not done nowadays. salesfolks at the dealerships should be able to tell you the current info.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    quote longo2-
    There are some trade offs of course and I'm sure VW fanboys will be glad to point them out.-end

    VW haters are mired in the past. VW improved it's reliability.
    Recommending Hyundai for it's quality over VW is so ironic in the overall context it is almost beyond funny to absurd.

    The below commentary from Warren Brown column is relevant.

    -from Warren Brown column-
    Baltimore, Md.: I've seen you recommending the VW Jetta TDI for the past several weeks now, and after taking one on a test drive, I'm now really interested in buying one. However, many people have emphatically told me to steer clear of VWs, citing numerous reliability and maintenance problems they've had over the years. Has VW taken any steps to address these problems for the '09/'10 models?

    Warren Brown: Reputations. Good ones are easily lost. Bad ones tend to hang around long after things have changed. At VW, particularly in the mid-Atlantic region in the matter of maintenance and repairs, things have changed for the better. The Jetta TDI is a darned good car now backed by a company that acts on the notion that "total quality" includes repair service.
    -end
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "Recommending Hyundai for it's quality over VW is so ironic in the overall context it is almost beyond funny to absurd."

    Well mopar, sorry to say it's neither ironic, funny, or absurd, check the latest JD Power reliablity reports and see who got the better scores.

    Just to save you some time, its Hyundai 13 out of possible 20

    VW 8 out of possible 20

    I wish it were the other way around, I have a Jetta TDI sitting in the garage, if you really wanted the most reliable car out there today, the reports says...Buy a Buick.
  • maigremaigre Posts: 16
    I've had mostly good luck with my '99 Passat. It's still running pretty well, even if it goes through too much oil. But there's no getting away from the harsh realities that so many people have had to deal with in recent years. The JD Power survey numbers aren't lying. And then, there are those VW dealers...

    I'm shopping for a new one now and am not exactly impressed with the scene at the dealers I've visited. VW's always talking about being dedicated to improving quality control, but until it's been proven over a period of at least a few years, it's all talk. And why they continue to allow their dealers to behave the way they do is beyond me. Makes it even harder to take the pronouncements about their determination to make things better seriously.

    That said, I'm getting a Jetta TDI anyway. Originally, I wasn't going to get another VW because of all the quality and service issues. But I ended up deciding I wanted the TDI. Even though I've had a good experience (I don't take it to the dealer for service, of course), I have eyes and ears and literally nobody else I know who has had one in the years since I got mine is happy enough to stick with VW.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "VW's always talking about being dedicated to improving quality control"

    Actually what they've been talking about lately is cutting build time, content and their costs. They complain that it takes way too much time on the production line to build a Jetta.

    So, look at what they've taken from the Jetta TDI from the past 2006 model year, no more real leather, no dual control climate package, no more power memory seats, now only grey and black interiors etc etc...the next VW move to cut costs and put them together them faster is a new factory in Tennessee to build a 2011 "American Model"..any VW buyers out there want their new Jetta to be built..faster?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Just to save you some time, its Hyundai 13 out of possible 20

    VW 8 out of possible 20


    8 and 13 out of a possible 20 what?

    Colored in circles?

    2.6 problems per vehicle for VW

    1.5 problems per vehicle for Hyundai
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    20 being the best, or, no reported problems, perfect score

    0 score being a vehicle that's just been crushed?
  • I'm also very interested in the Jetta TDI, but drive about a 1000 per wk alot of
    it in traffic. Have an 07 Accord with 150k that has been absolutely bulletproof, but
    love the way the TDI drives and the mileage. Really need and automatic but the
    reliability of the DSG makes me nervous. What are peoples thoughts? Get the
    TDI with 6spd, try the DSG, or stay with another Accord?
  • rcarr7rcarr7 Posts: 19
    link title

    Above is a nifty .gov comparo. You can customize the C/H miles percentages, fuel costs etc.

    Upshot: you save $1,778 per year or $148 per mo.

    There is no doubt in my mind the 07 Accord will easily do you 300k, if not 400k.

    So being as how you already have/own the Accord:

    1. Accord A/T (I presume)
    2. TDI, manual 6 sp
    3. TDI DSG 6 spd.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    I agree with rcarr but for slightly different reasons.

    You already have a ton of miles on your Accord, so keeping it for another year won't make that much differece on a trade in.
    (and as he points out, you save a lot of money each month by keeping it)

    By then the total re-designed Jetta TDI's will be out in 2011.

    Or if you got real lucky, Honda will get off their a$$ and bring over their 2.2 ltr Diesel Accord they have had running around Europe for years.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    imageSee more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com

    I have read on Euro TDI forums that this 2.2 Diesel gets about the same mpg's as the VW TDI.

    Seems it didn't pass the emmisions tests for the U.S. in a/t form. In Standard transmission, however it did.

    Honda packed it up, went home in a huff and I haven't heard a peep of gossip, news, speculation or hints of it coming to North America since all the Hoopla in 2007 when they brought over the TDI test cars.

    If the rest of the Auto Builders are noticing that VW's TDI's are hot items in N.A. we should be seeing some clues soon.
  • rcarr7rcarr7 Posts: 19
    I for one had been looking forward to a Honda (Civic) iTEC. The news took various twists and turns and it went from Civic to Accord to Acura TSX...back to nada.. However, I think one of the reasons Honda did not bring an iTEC Accord to the US market was / probably continues to be price.

    Just a quick snapshot shows (gassers) VW Jetta to be app $3,000 cheaper than a comparable Honda Accord.. When I purchasted a 03 VW Jetta TDI, there was considerable angst and criticism with a sub $300. premium over a turbo gasser Jetta !!?? Fast forward to 2009/2010 time frame and Edmunds.com (last I checked) showed the TDI to have up to $3,500 over the 1.8 T Jetta. Current TMV price difference is $2,300. (generic- not indepth)
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    "Fast forward to 2009/2010 time frame and Edmunds.com (last I checked) showed the TDI to have up to $3,500 over the 2.0 T Jetta."

    Now don't you wish you had bought an extra 03' as a hedge against the crazie$ out there now?
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    TMV
    (true market value) is an elusive number when you are dealing with VW on a TDI.

    Right now they pretty much have this diesel car market all to themselves.
    I know there are a couple of other options, but all upscale' from the Jetta, Golf and Beetle.

    It's a market that is ripe for Ford, (they already have a couple of great little diesels in Europe), Honda, if they want to jump in with their already proven 2.2 and even Hyundai is (gossip alert) working on a diesel Elantra.

    Til then it seems VW is the only game in town for a moderately priced high MPG diesel vehicle, so TMV is tough to get on the table at buying time. .

    In the U.S.A. the auto makers are all fighting a diesel head wind in the market...iffy availability of ULSD (could only find 2 places in Helena Montana on the trip home, and a big truck stop in New Mexico where everybody thought I was crazy when I filled up the Jetta at the diesel pump) and for some strange reason, some sort of a Diesel is 'Anti American' feeling.

    I have made the rounds of dealerships and looked at the shrunken list of options now available and the rising M$RP's on Jettas, decided to buy a low mileage 2006 Jetta with DSG and full Option 2 package, and call it done.
  • Last week I paid a deposit for a 2010 VW Golf TDI, 2DR, MT, grey metallic, with Emlich VW in Denver. Purchase price was MSPR ($23,388) which included cold weather package and car mat options. Reminder that Bluetooth is now mandatory for every TDI. Had to pay the usual Denver area VW handling fee of $399 (ouch) for a total of $23,787 (that figure does not include regional sales tax).

    Car should eta 1st week of December. In my discussions with various VW dealers, not a lot of Golf TDIs' will be arriving in Colorado in 2009. Not an issue of negotiating a fair price as much as trying to find the car you want at this early date. Negotiated over the internet, relatively painless experience.
  • rcarr7rcarr7 Posts: 19
    It has been indeed a pleasant surprise knowing used TDI's sell for much more than the TMV.

    Your (Montana) lack of diesel experience is really the first I heard of D2 not being available. Even in 03 when according to .gov statistics app 1 in 4 stations carried D2, I have NEVER had an issue getting D2 fuel. But then again, I have only been to app 12 or so states and 1 foreign country and not the other 38 states. (with the TDI's)

    I am guessing the 2009 TDI sales went a long way to "create a demand, spotlighting", etc. for TDI's. There were some so called "touch and go" months, even for VW TDI sales. I have read on another web site that the 2009 MY TDI's were 38,000.

    I would hope you are happy with your 2006 TDI w / DSG !
  • Thanks for the heads up on the 2011 models. hoping for AWD model
  • rcarr7rcarr7 Posts: 19
    I might be totally off base here, but AWD is probably not in the cards for VW Jetta's TDI's. So if you are talking of staying in the VW family, even the 30k MSRP Audi A3 might be the ticket. However its TDI doesn't have AWD. The next model A4 has AWD but no TDI. As well designed as the A3 is, the high prices (over its competitors and VW Jetta ) seems to put a damper on "robust" sales.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    moparbad -"Recommending Hyundai for it's quality over VW is so ironic in the overall context it is almost beyond funny to absurd."

    longo2- Well mopar, sorry to say it's neither ironic, funny, or absurd, check the latest JD Power reliablity reports and see who got the better scores.


    Check the latest 2009 Consumer Reports longo2 and here is what you will find

    The VW Jetta's Recommendation now extends to the diesel version, making it the only diesel Consumer Reports currently recommends.
  • rcarr7rcarr7 Posts: 19
    ..."The VW Jetta's Recommendation now extends to the diesel version, making it the only diesel Consumer Reports currently recommends"...

    Well these items have to be cool beans ! VW seems to have made good on past initiatives to constantly improve.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    If Subaru came out with a good TDI in their AWD line it would sell like Hotcakes! The vehicles are great, but their Hiway mpg's with the gas engines are pretty grim.

    I for one would be first in line. AWD is almost mandatory where I live, even if you just want to get out of the yard in the winter.
    (I keep running an old 1992 Dodge Caravan with AWD for that)

    The Subaru Wagon with high clearance, 30+ mpgs, heated seats and tons of torqe would be a winter dream machine around here.
  • Can anybody give me any feedback as to what they have been able to pay at
    any Northern California dealers for a 2010 Jetta TDI? Interested in what the best'
    deal would be in relation to MSRP before TTL.
  • rbk3rbk3 Posts: 34
    I'm looking at the Wolfsburg and the TDI. The best I've heard in the East Bay area is MSRP for the TDI and various discounts for the rest of the Jetta lineup.
  • longo2longo2 Posts: 347
    Just read this in the Washinton Post Auto section.. from a guy who could have recommened any brand, any model to this readers question...
    .Looks like VW has a long uphill PR battle ahead.........

    Arlington, Va.: "We are looking to buy a small "commuter" car (good gas mileage, low maintenance, etc.) and don't have a lot of money. What do you recommend?

    Warren Brown: Hyundai Elantra. First choice, best value for dollar.

    Chevrolet Aveo. Second. Good value for dollar.

    Honda Fit Sport. Third. Excellent quality. Most fun-to-drive. But could be pricey."

    I think VW Pricing and reliability issues has somehow put it completely out of the minds of such reviewers when thinking of the criteria of this buyers question.

    VW has now seems to be an 'up-scale' kind of product..a long way from it's roots.. my first VW was a new 1959 Beatle at $1700.00....
    my last bug was a new 1971 Super Beatle (I think the best one they ever made) at $1921.00...they are now selling for up to $6,000.00

    "Herman" as we called it, would have been a better investement than money in the bank, mind you that's not saying much is it. The U.S. market really needs the "PoloTDI" to get back to reality.

    Road Test: Volkswagen Polo TDI
    By Damien Tomlinson - 20/Oct/2006

    The Volkswagen Polo is a very small car. It measures less than 4 metres long and only 1.65 metres wide, and competes for market share against similar sized vehicles like the Toyota Yaris, Peugeot 206, Mazda2, Holden Barina and Ford Fiesta. Unlike most of these cars however, the Polo has two very neat tricks up its sleeve.

    The first is the GTI model, powered by a turbocharged 1.8-litre petrol engine. Feann reviewed this one and gave it an 80% score, which you can read about here. The second neat trick in Volkswagen Australia's Polo range is the TDI model. This cheeky little German car is powered by a 1.9-litre turbo diesel engine, giving the vehicle incredible fuel efficiency figures of 56mpg, an impressive cruising range and plenty of power.

    And at the time of writing it has no direct competitors.

    IMHO that's where VW should be again.
  • oli1oli1 Posts: 33
    Is there anyway to rent a JSW TDI for a long trip, just to see how it feels?
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,923
    you can trust me the sedan TDI is fine on a long trip, such as about 10 BostonOrlando local drives, as well as a Boston SanJose commute. the satellite radio is crucial too!
  • oli1oli1 Posts: 33
    The Sportswagen might be different, no?
  • rbk3rbk3 Posts: 34
    Just bought 2010 TDI MSRP 26,025.00.

    Paid 25100.00 + tax, license and 55.00 doc fees.

    Every internet quote I received was 500 - 1000 over MSRP. I visited 3 dealers on Saturday to introduce myself and to completely examine the car. When I got home 2 dealers left internet quotes of -500 and the third was at MSRP. I picked the dealership I felt most comfortable with and I said let's cut the B.S. "I will not pay 5000 over what this car is really worth, but I'll pay 4000 more than it's really worth".

    So, I worked out a 975.00 savings and still overpaid by thousands. I'm happy, I hope my daughter likes here new car.

    Additionally, if this car has average or above average reliability, then this car truely makes the Prius (great transportation/reliability) look and drive like a golf cart. I'll get back to you in 5 or 6 years on the reliability thing.
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